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BroadwayRay · 11-23-2012, 10:09 AM

because if it were not for the Sanchez butt play, we'd be talking about the butthead play of his own. Do you remember? Fourth and 1 down around the Pats 30 yard line? Let me refresh you memory. Greene takes the ball, and much like Sanchez, proceeds to basically run into the ass of his offensive lineman instead of cutting to the right where he had open daylight. So what does he do next? He just sort of stands there and let's a Pats linebacker wrap his arms around him from behind the Jets offensive lineman. It was sort of a tackle sandwich that had to be seen to be believed. Then what does he do? He extends his arms with the football in a desperate attempt to get the first down. Except this isn't a goal line situation, where once the ball crosses the line the play is over. It's a live ball, so basically you have Greene extending the ball out and literally handing it to the Patriots. Not ones to reject a gift, they happily swat it out of his hands and take it. Greene, in an effort to display that he is stupid in addition to being a bad running back, is seen in the next camera shot pointing excitedly upfield as if he got the first down. He's probably still wondering what happened.

sec.101row23 · 11-23-2012, 10:14 AM

For a "bruising" RB, Greene has to be one of the worst short yardage backs in the league.

Borgoguy · 11-23-2012, 10:16 AM

Shonn Greene is an idiot JAG who, if not for an even more inept group of "coaches" evaluating his talent and potential, would, at best, be a number three back on most teams with competent coaching.

PatsFanTX · 11-23-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadwayRay

because if it were not for the Sanchez butt play, we'd be talking about the butthead play of his own. Do you remember? Fourth and 1 down around the Pats 30 yard line? Let me refresh you memory. Greene takes the ball, and much like Sanchez, proceeds to basically run into the ass of his offensive lineman instead of cutting to the right where he had open daylight. So what does he do next? He just sort of stands there and let's a Pats linebacker wrap his arms around him from behind the Jets offensive lineman. It was sort of a tackle sandwich that had to be seen to be believed. Then what does he do? He extends his arms with the football in a desperate attempt to get the first down. Except this isn't a goal line situation, where once the ball crosses the line the play is over. It's a live ball, so basically you have Greene extending the ball out and literally handing it to the Patriots. Not ones to reject a gift, they happily swat it out of his hands and take it. Greene, in an effort to display that he is stupid in addition to being a bad running back, is seen in the next camera shot pointing excitedly upfield as if he got the first down. He's probably still wondering what happened.

Actually, that play cost the Pats about 7 yards in field position.

Greene was stopped short on 4th an 1 and the Pats would have taken over right there.

Instead, the fumble went downfield before the Pats recover.

Can't fault the guy for trying to extend the ball for a 1st down when he already knew he was short.

RaoulDuke · 11-23-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

For a "bruising" RB, Greene has to be one of the worst short yardage backs in the league.

And the only RB who aims for defenders instead of trying to avoid them.

Joe W. Namath · 11-23-2012, 10:24 AM

Powell is a much better runningback but they start greene. Tebow is a much better qb but they start sanchez.

The coaches will have no one to blame when they are fired immediately after the season.

Beerfish · 11-23-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Borgoguy

Shonn Greene is an idiot JAG who, if not for an even more inept group of "coaches" evaluating his talent and potential, would, at best, be a number three back on most teams with competent coaching.

Yup, just another case of the team TOTALLY over valuing a players abilities and remembering the 2 good games a player has rather than the 20 bad ones.

ASH_1962 · 11-23-2012, 10:25 AM

To me, that was the play that turned this game into a debacle. That and the weekly INT in the RZ, couldn't do without that.

Nike · 11-23-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Powell is a much better runningback but they start greene. Tebow is a much better qb but they start sanchez.

The coaches will have no one to blame when they are fired immediately after the season.

agree lets hope this happens.

DDNYjets · 11-23-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Actually, that play cost the Pats about 7 yards in field position.

Greene was stopped short on 4th an 1 and the Pats would have taken over right there.

Instead, the fumble went downfield before the Pats recover.

Can't fault the guy for trying to extend the ball for a 1st down when he already knew he was short.

I made the same point last night.

We actually benefited from the fumble. He was stopped cold. No chance to get a first down. Our OL sucks. Even when they were good they rarely got the big yards when they needed to. Only time I can remember them coming through is the SD playoff game.

Greene actually was OK last night.

Borgoguy · 11-23-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Powell is a much better runningback but they start greene. Tebow is a much better qb but they start sanchez.

The coaches will have no one to blame when they are fired immediately after the season.

Powell sucks, too. I wish everyone on the board would stop blowing up this guy's skirt. Another Jag-minus just like Greene and McKnight. Face it, folks, our guys can't evaluate RB talent.

BroadwayRay · 11-23-2012, 10:34 AM

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I made the same point last night.

We actually benefited from the fumble. He was stopped cold. No chance to get a first down. Our OL sucks. Even when they were good they rarely got the big yards when they needed to. Only time I can remember them coming through is the SD playoff game.

Greene actually was OK last night.

A good running back would have made the yardage by making a simple cut to the right. I'd bet Powell would have made the play. Take another look at the replay from the endzone camera view and you'll see what I mean. Greene, like Sanchez, has poor vision and instincts.

yanks9596 · 11-23-2012, 10:35 AM

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I made the same point last night.

We actually benefited from the fumble. He was stopped cold. No chance to get a first down. Our OL sucks. Even when they were good they rarely got the big yards when they needed to. Only time I can remember them coming through is the SD playoff game.

Greene actually was OK last night.

This is is correct. The fumble was a last ditch attempt to get a first down. The fact that it squirted downfield actually helped the Jets. Please, there are plenty of other plays deserving of your vitriol, but not this one. At least not the fumble part. How bout the fact that the Jets OL can never seem to open a hole on 3rd/4th and 1?

red75bronco · 11-23-2012, 10:36 AM

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I made the same point last night.

We actually benefited from the fumble. He was stopped cold. No chance to get a first down. Our OL sucks. Even when they were good they rarely got the big yards when they needed to. Only time I can remember them coming through is the SD playoff game.

Greene actually was OK last night.

What happens if the ball bounces straight to a ne defender and they return I for a TD? Still a good play? That was an awful play, just as bad as Sanchez's.

Borgoguy · 11-23-2012, 10:38 AM

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What happens if the ball bounces straight to a ne defender and they return I for a TD? Still a good play? That was an awful play, just as bad as Sanchez's.

Forget it. That deluded bunch sees a vat of steaming s hit and comments on how great the big pieces of corn will taste.

sec.101row23 · 11-23-2012, 10:38 AM

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This is is correct. The fumble was a last ditch attempt to get a first down. The fact that it squirted downfield actually helped the Jets. Please, there are plenty of other plays deserving of your vitriol, but not this one. At least not the fumble part. How bout the fact that the Jets OL can never seem to open a hole on 3rd/4th and 1?

The fumble was irrelevant, the fact that he gets zero push and runs directly into the backs of his linemen is the part people have an issue with. This isnt the first time Greene has been stuffed on short yardage.

DDNYjets · 11-23-2012, 10:47 AM

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What happens if the ball bounces straight to a ne defender and they return I for a TD? Still a good play? That was an awful play, just as bad as Sanchez's.

Of course not. It was a bad play. All I am saying is that the fumble actually worked to our advantage.

I do not want to look like I am sticking up for him b.c I want to get rid of Greene. But IMO he was trying his best to get the first down. It was not as bad a play as Sanchez' INT.

DDNYjets · 11-23-2012, 10:49 AM

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The fumble was irrelevant, the fact that he gets zero push and runs directly into the backs of his linemen is the part people have an issue with. This isnt the first time Greene has been stuffed on short yardage.

Overall, you are correct. But on that specific play Greene had no chance. IMO that play was more symbolic of the futility of our OL. Greene was just the icing on the cake. The vanilla cake.

PatsFanTX · 11-23-2012, 10:52 AM

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How bout the fact that the Jets OL can never seem to open a hole on 3rd/4th and 1?

I think Mr. Wilfork had something to say about that last night.

He completely dominated the middle of the LOS last night.

Jets should have run off-tackle on that 4th down play, not right at Wilfork.

Borgoguy · 11-23-2012, 10:55 AM

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I think Mr. Wilfork had something to say about that last night.

He completely dominated the middle of the LOS last night.

Jets should have run off-tackle on that 4th down play, not right at Wilfork.

Guy is a friggin' madman. He's still playing at such a high level. It's what we all hoped Kris Jenkins would have given our team.

11-23-2012, 10:09 AM	#1
BroadwayRay Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 618	Shonn Greene is a lucky sob ... because if it were not for the Sanchez butt play, we'd be talking about the butthead play of his own. Do you remember? Fourth and 1 down around the Pats 30 yard line? Let me refresh you memory. Greene takes the ball, and much like Sanchez, proceeds to basically run into the ass of his offensive lineman instead of cutting to the right where he had open daylight. So what does he do next? He just sort of stands there and let's a Pats linebacker wrap his arms around him from behind the Jets offensive lineman. It was sort of a tackle sandwich that had to be seen to be believed. Then what does he do? He extends his arms with the football in a desperate attempt to get the first down. Except this isn't a goal line situation, where once the ball crosses the line the play is over. It's a live ball, so basically you have Greene extending the ball out and literally handing it to the Patriots. Not ones to reject a gift, they happily swat it out of his hands and take it. Greene, in an effort to display that he is stupid in addition to being a bad running back, is seen in the next camera shot pointing excitedly upfield as if he got the first down. He's probably still wondering what happened. Last edited by BroadwayRay; 11-23-2012 at 10:11 AM.

11-23-2012, 10:14 AM	#2
sec.101row23 All Pro Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mendham, NJ Posts: 7,847	For a "bruising" RB, Greene has to be one of the worst short yardage backs in the league.

11-23-2012, 10:16 AM	#3
Borgoguy Not one image until my posts are restored. Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,428	Shonn Greene is an idiot JAG who, if not for an even more inept group of "coaches" evaluating his talent and potential, would, at best, be a number three back on most teams with competent coaching.

11-23-2012, 10:24 AM	#6
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,827	Powell is a much better runningback but they start greene. Tebow is a much better qb but they start sanchez. The coaches will have no one to blame when they are fired immediately after the season.

11-23-2012, 10:25 AM	#8
ASH_1962 Curtis Martin Class of 2012 All League Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,509	To me, that was the play that turned this game into a debacle. That and the weekly INT in the RZ, couldn't do without that.