Rex Draft Input

[The Cooler King]

I am the first one to agree that Tannenbaum is a horrible evaluator of talent. Actually I think it goes deeper than that in the fact that he always wants to make big splash moves so the GM gets some headlines...this is due to the fact that he is arrogant and ego driven ( just look at Hardknocks ). Doing this hurts the team because it never builds any continuity due to all the turnover on the roster...

However, people keep giving Rex a pass on these drafts which is dead wrong. He has had some picks that he made personally ( ie. John Connor and Coples to name a few)..John Connor is a complete bust and Coples we were told was the Jets version of JPP..how is that working out ??!!...so he can't coach and also can't evaluate talent...it really doesn't matter though because if Tanny goes Rex is going...I hear people on these talk shows saying they need a new GM but they would keep Rex..are these people clueless ??!...when has a new GM EVER come in and not picked his own coach ??....

[cant wait]

where have you heard that coples was rex's personal pick? I remember reading that rex wanted jones and was overruled. the last pick that was claimed to be rex's choice was powell

[southparkcpa]

Originally Posted by The Cooler King

I am the first one to agree that Tannenbaum is a horrible evaluator of talent. Actually I think it goes deeper than that in the fact that he always wants to make big splash moves so the GM gets some headlines...this is due to the fact that he is arrogant and ego driven ( just look at Hardknocks ). Doing this hurts the team because it never builds any continuity due to all the turnover on the roster...

However, people keep giving Rex a pass on these drafts which is dead wrong. He has had some picks that he made personally ( ie. John Connor and Coples to name a few)..John Connor is a complete bust and Coples we were told was the Jets version of JPP..how is that working out ??!!...so he can't coach and also can't evaluate talent...it really doesn't matter though because if Tanny goes Rex is going...I hear people on these talk shows saying they need a new GM but they would keep Rex..are these people clueless ??!...when has a new GM EVER come in and not picked his own coach ??....

many here agree with you and have stated this. manginis drafts under Tanny were far superior.

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by southparkcpa

many here agree with you and have stated this. manginis drafts under Tanny were far superior.

Compare them and state why?

[scottyM]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

Compare them and state why?

I mean.. to date under Rex, arguably the only impact player the jets have gotten through the draft is Wilkerson. What is there to compare?

[southparkcpa]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

Compare them and state why?

Ferguson, Mangold, Harris, Brad Smith, Eric Smith, L Washington, Revis, Harris and that's 2006. And 2007 under Mangini.

2 years produced better players than any under Rex.

[NYJ37/12]

Originally Posted by cant wait

where have you heard that coples was rex's personal pick? I remember reading that rex wanted jones and was overruled. the last pick that was claimed to be rex's choice was powell

It was all over the media during the draft. Rex loved coples at his pro day, promised he would pick him if he was still there.

[Joe W. Namath]

Tanny and rex ar toast. Why do we keep talking about this?

[Vinny Testaverde's Niece]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Tanny and rex ar toast. Why do we keep talking about this?

No one's holding a gun to your head. Are they?

[Vinny Testaverde's Niece]

Isn't it a bit early to be declaring Coples a bust?

[cant wait]

Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Ferguson, Mangold, Harris, Brad Smith, Eric Smith, L Washington, Revis, Harris and that's 2006. And 2007 under Mangini.

2 years produced better players than any under Rex.

you have a point but I don't think you can claim rex had any real influence on the 2009 draft as a rookie coach. the main problem comes from the trading of picks to mortgage the team for a SB run and the early round draft busts in 08 and 10. the 2010 draft really was a stinker but we only had 4 draft picks total, and in 2011 we didn't have a 2nd round pick either. the jury is still out on what 2012 will prove to be IMO. here's a list of the last couple year's picks for reference:

2008 - NEW YORK JETS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 6 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State
1 30 Dustin Keller TE Purdue
4 113 Dwight Lowery CB San Jose State
5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
6 171 Marcus Henry WR Kansas
7 211 Nate Garner T Arkansas

2009 - NEW YORK JETS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 5 Mark Sanchez QB USC
3 65 Shonn Greene RB Iowa
6 193 Matt Slauson G Nebraska

2010 - NEW YORK JETS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 29 Kyle Wilson CB Boise State
2 61 Vladimir Ducasse T Massachusetts
4 112 Joe McKnight RB USC
5 139 John Conner RB Kentucky

2011 - NEW YORK JETS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 Muhammad Wilkerson DT Temple
3 94 Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton
4 126 Bilal Powell RB Louisville
5 153 Jeremy Kerley WR Texas Christian
7 208 Greg McElroy QB Alabama
7 227 Scotty McKnight WR Colorado

2012 - NEW YORK JETS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 16 Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
2 43 Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
3 77 Demario Davis LB Arkansas State
6 187 Josh Bush DB Wake Forest
6 202 Terrance Ganaway RB Baylor
6 203 Robert T. Griffin G Baylor
7 242 Antonio Allen SS South Carolina
7 244 Jordan White WR Western Michigan

[C Mart]

You guys make it seem like the guy picked will be the same player for 10 yrs in the NFL. The player selection is just the beginning of their NFL career. How that player progresses or regresses is dependent on many factors with one major factor being how he is taught, coached, instilled with discipline, developed, and used by the coaching staff.

Overall, it's quite evident under Rex's watch the Jets players have underperformed and in many cases regressed.

[NYJ37/12]

Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece

Isn't it a bit early to be declaring Coples a bust?

I like coples, think he will be a good player for years to come.

Unfortunately in this day and age most people want instant gratification. Hence the problem with America today.

[Vinny Testaverde's Niece]

Originally Posted by cant wait

you have a point but I don't think you can claim rex had any real influence on the 2009 draft as a rookie coach. the main problem comes from the trading of picks to mortgage the team for a SB run and the early round draft busts in 08 and 10. the 2010 draft really was a stinker but we only had 4 draft picks total, and in 2011 we didn't have a 2nd round pick either. the jury is still out on what 2012 will prove to be IMO.

Ant that is entirely and to a lesser degree the fault of Woody's and Tanny's desperation in trying to win a SB quickly without building the proper foundation.

[cant wait]

Originally Posted by NYJ37/12

It was all over the media during the draft. Rex loved coples at his pro day, promised he would pick him if he was still there.

I actually remember hearing the interview with coples on sirius NFL right before the draft where he said that rex had told him that the jets would take him at #16, but it was reported somewhere like a month ago that he wanted to draft jones but was overruled. either way the jury is still out on coples... I think he's progressing okay for a guy coming to a system and being asked to play 5-technique. I think rex ryan knows a little bit about D-Lineman, so wouldn't you want his input when it comes to those players?

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by cant wait

you have a point but I don't think you can claim rex had any real influence on the 2009 draft as a rookie coach. the main problem comes from the trading of picks to mortgage the team for a SB run and the early round draft busts in 08 and 10. the 2010 draft really was a stinker but we only had 4 draft picks total, and in 2011 we didn't have a 2nd round pick either. the jury is still out on what 2012 will prove to be IMO. here's a list of the last couple year's picks for reference:

2008 - NEW YORK JETS
RDSEL #PLAYERPOSITIONSCHOOL
16Vernon GholstonLBOhio State
130Dustin KellerTEPurdue
4113Dwight LoweryCBSan Jose State
5162Erik AingeQBTennessee
6171Marcus HenryWRKansas
7211Nate GarnerTArkansas

2009 - NEW YORK JETS
RDSEL #PLAYERPOSITIONSCHOOL
15Mark SanchezQBUSC
365Shonn GreeneRBIowa
6193Matt SlausonGNebraska

2010 - NEW YORK JETS
RDSEL #PLAYERPOSITIONSCHOOL
129Kyle WilsonCBBoise State
261Vladimir DucasseTMassachusetts
4112Joe McKnightRBUSC
5139John ConnerRBKentucky

2011 - NEW YORK JETS
RDSEL #PLAYERPOSITIONSCHOOL
130Muhammad WilkersonDTTemple
394Kenrick EllisDTHampton
4126Bilal PowellRBLouisville
5153Jeremy KerleyWRTexas Christian
7208Greg McElroyQBAlabama
7227Scotty McKnightWRColorado

2012 - NEW YORK JETS
RDSEL #PLAYERPOSITIONSCHOOL
116Quinton CoplesDENorth Carolina
243Stephen HillWRGeorgia Tech
377Demario DavisLBArkansas State
6187Josh BushDBWake Forest
6202Terrance GanawayRBBaylor
6203Robert T. GriffinGBaylor
7242Antonio AllenSSSouth Carolina
7244Jordan WhiteWRWestern Michigan

What? He wanted Sanchez. Said it to Tanny during Sanchez's pro day.

The Greene selection as has been posted a million times was Bradway and Clinkscales pleading with Tanny to trade up to get him. The Jets had a 1st round grade on Greene Tanny resisted initially not wanting to give up extra picks. But Clinkscales and Bradway persisted. Rex was reported to have said during this discussion that Ozzie Newsome always said "take the best player". Tanny finally made the trade with Detroit to select Greene

[cant wait]

Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece

Ant that is entirely and to a lesser degree the fault of Woody and Tanny desperation in trying to win a SB quickly without building the proper foundation.

don't forget woody having the team surrender a 4th and a 6th round pick in exchange for tim tebow™

[southparkcpa]

Originally Posted by C Mart

You guys make it seem like the guy picked will be the same player for 10 yrs in the NFL. The player selection is just the beginning of their NFL career. How that player progresses or regresses is dependent on many factors with one major factor being how he is taught, coached, instilled with discipline, developed, and used by the coaching staff.

Overall, it's quite evident under Rex's watch the Jets players have underperformed and in many cases regressed.

Totally agree...however, added to that are the fact that we have pure pro bowlers pre REX. Mangold, Brick, Revis.

Keller and Harris are solid ......not pro bowl but solid.

[NY's stepchild]

Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Ferguson, Mangold, Harris, Brad Smith, Eric Smith, L Washington, Revis, Harris and that's 2006. And 2007 under Mangini.

2 years produced better players than any under Rex.

Why do people keep listing those Smiths as if they were great picks? Harris doesn't count twice, and he isn't that great as evidenced by his subpar play this year with Pouha, and Ellis hurting. They let Vilma walk for nothing. Coples, Ellis, and Wilkerson, are all going to be great players.

[NY's stepchild]

Originally Posted by cant wait

don't forget woody having the team surrender a 4th and a 6th round pick in exchange for tim tebow™

You mean he threw a 4th and a 6th into a trash can from 1300 miles away.