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Jetworks · 12-02-2012, 04:44 PM

I found it interesting that the gameplan changed significantly when McElroy came into the game, specifically, the winding runs that gained chunks of yardage. I would expect some changes from a QB standpoint, but why the style of rushing attack?

Conkboy · 12-02-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetworks

I found it interesting that the gameplan changed significantly when McElroy came into the game, specifically, the winding runs that gained chunks of yardage. I would expect some changes from a QB standpoint, but why the style of rushing attack?

Who knows how different it was.... Maybe GM is better at changing the run to the proper side based on the defense he sees. Once they got the lead they went ultra conservative to protect the lead and put the game on the Ds shoulders....

red75bronco · 12-02-2012, 05:05 PM

Something they should have done several games ago to try to gt confidence back to a struggling qb. I also noticed on the TD drive that Greene was on the damn bench were he belonged.

Jetworks · 12-02-2012, 05:07 PM

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Who knows how different it was.... Maybe GM is better at changing the run to the proper side based on the defense he sees. Once they got the lead they went ultra conservative to protect the lead and put the game on the Ds shoulders....

Anybody that was watching the game knows how different it was. There was a shift in running philosophy with counters, traps and winds. How did you not see that? And it has nothing to do with "changing the run to the proper side".

Be more obtuse. Go post in one of the "Down with Mark/Up with Greg" threads.

DDNYjets · 12-02-2012, 05:11 PM

To be honest, I just think the players gave a better effort for McElroy. We run a lot of counters and pull our Guards a lot (I always complain about Slauson and Ducasse pulling and not blocking anybody, LOL). Greene bounced one outside but that was a "vanilla" running play. I am not sure it was anything more than that. Besides it was only 4 drives, hard to be conclusive with such a small sample size.

Conkboy · 12-02-2012, 05:11 PM

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Anybody that was watching the game knows how different it was. There was a shift in running philosophy with counters, traps and winds. How did you not see that? And it has nothing to do with "changing the run to the proper side".

Be more obtuse. Go post in one of the "Down with Mark/Up with Greg" threads.

First off GFY....

Secondly, you ignorant, illiterate, immature tool, you have no idea if GM changed to those plays based on the defensive front or not... I am not claiming it was not different, you just can't say for sure why. I wasn't calling you out in the slightest just adding an opinion and go to insulting someone.... Blow me!

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 12-02-2012, 05:14 PM

It seems like all of a sudden the coaching got a lot better.

red75bronco · 12-02-2012, 05:19 PM

The jets under Ryan have always been better with a simpler approach. THy dumbed it down and just ran the ball. No sg on third and two, a nice bootleg at the goal line. Why didn't they run a slant to Schillens at the goal line?

DDNYjets · 12-02-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

First off GFY....

Secondly, you ignorant, illiterate, immature tool, you have no idea if GM changed to those plays based on the defensive front or not... I am not claiming it was not different, you just can't say for sure why. I wasn't calling you out in the slightest just adding an opinion and go to insulting someone.... Blow me!

Dude. Take it easy.

Jetworks · 12-02-2012, 05:21 PM

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To be honest, I just think the players gave a better effort for McElroy. We run a lot of counters and pull our Guards a lot (I always complain about Slauson and Ducasse pulling and not blocking anybody, LOL). Greene bounced one outside but that was a "vanilla" running play. I am not sure it was anything more than that. Besides it was only 4 drives, hard to be conclusive with such a small sample size.

There were quite a few attempts where McElroy did the hand switch for winds, something I can't remember ever seeing with Sanchez in there. Same for a couple of counters.

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

First off GFY....

Secondly, you ignorant, illiterate, immature tool, you have no idea if GM changed to those plays based on the defensive front or not... I am not claiming it was not different, you just can't say for sure why. I wasn't calling you out in the slightest just adding an opinion and go to insulting someone.... Blow me!

Ignorance would be thinking it's plausible that a third-string QB that had no reps in practice was changing plays wholesale at the line. He had a couple of audibles, but he's not changing offensive philosophies. Again, that's just obtuse thinking. And you weren't calling me out, true, but making it out that McElroy was somehow a savior annoyed the crap out of me. I'll pass on the fellatious invitation.

Conkboy · 12-02-2012, 05:21 PM

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Dude. Take it easy.

You right, my bad... I lost it there for a minute!!!!

Conkboy · 12-02-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetworks

There were quite a few attempts where McElroy did the hand switch for winds, something I can't remember ever seeing with Sanchez in there. Same for a couple of counters.

Ignorance would be thinking it's plausible that a third-string QB that had no reps in practice was changing plays wholesale at the line. He had a couple of audibles, but he's not changing offensive philosophies. Again, that's just obtuse thinking. And you weren't calling me out, true, but making it out that McElroy was somehow a savior annoyed the crap out of me. I'll pass on the fellatious invitation.

I apologize... What I can tell you is this... I know for certain that when you have a running play called and come to the line, you are supposed to option to the correct hole on the play. Same play just the correct hole based on the formation. I assume they don't let him run audible so when you here "kill kill" he is just changing the play to the correct hole.

Further, I assume there is a subset of plays that they know he is comfortable with running given he gets little if any time with the starters and is probably running scout team most of the time. In no way do I think that he is the chosen one. I am just not so sure that they are running better plays because they put a new QB in. Cards suck as stopping the run this year and Sanchez could not hit a bull in the ass with a banjo... GMac comes in and we get a few first downs a penalty and boom we score. We still have a long way to go to finding a QB!!!

red75bronco · 12-02-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

I apologize... What I can tell you is this... I know for certain that when you have a running play called and come to the line, you are supposed to option to the correct hole on the play. Same play just the correct hole based on the formation. I assume they don't let him run audible so when you here "kill kill" he is just changing the play to the correct hole.

Further, I assume there is a subset of plays that they know he is comfortable with running given he gets little if any time with the starters and is probably running scout team most of the time. In no way do I think that he is the chosen one. I am just not so sure that they are running better plays because they put a new QB in. Cards suck as stopping the run this year and Sanchez could not hit a bull in the ass with a banjo... GMac comes in and we get a few first downs a penalty and boom we score. We still have a long way to go to finding a QB!!!

Exactly, why wasn't the jets running the crap out of the ball? Powell should of had 25 carries and green should not come in until the 4th.

Conkboy · 12-02-2012, 05:36 PM

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Exactly, why wasn't the jets running the crap out of the ball? Powell should of had 25 carries and green should not come in until the 4th.

Correct... At least if they start GMac next week we will run 3 to 1 vs. pass.

Jetworks · 12-02-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

I apologize... What I can tell you is this... I know for certain that when you have a running play called and come to the line, you are supposed to option to the correct hole on the play. Same play just the correct hole based on the formation. I assume they don't let him run audible so when you here "kill kill" he is just changing the play to the correct hole.

Further, I assume there is a subset of plays that they know he is comfortable with running given he gets little if any time with the starters and is probably running scout team most of the time. In no way do I think that he is the chosen one. I am just not so sure that they are running better plays because they put a new QB in. Cards suck as stopping the run this year and Sanchez could not hit a bull in the ass with a banjo... GMac comes in and we get a few first downs a penalty and boom we score. We still have a long way to go to finding a QB!!!

I heard him do the standard "kill, kill" thing too. I figured he was checking out of a pass to a run, but maybe it was a run adjustment. But I was talking about overall styles. Like I said to DD, I don't think I've ever seen Sanchez do that fake with one hand to the FB and pivot and switch hand-off to the RB. That's what I was (primarily) talking about.

There's no denying the entire team seemed to have a bit more in their step when Sanchez went to the bench, but how that translates down the line is to be determined I suppose.

red75bronco · 12-02-2012, 05:40 PM

19-24 run pass ratio until Sanchez was benched. 19-9 after

Vin · 12-02-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

First off GFY....

Secondly, you ignorant, illiterate, immature tool, you have no idea if GM changed to those plays based on the defensive front or not... I am not claiming it was not different, you just can't say for sure why. I wasn't calling you out in the slightest just adding an opinion and go to insulting someone.... Blow me!

C Mart · 12-02-2012, 06:16 PM

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I heard him do the standard "kill, kill" thing too. I figured he was checking out of a pass to a run, but maybe it was a run adjustment. But I was talking about overall styles. Like I said to DD, I don't think I've ever seen Sanchez do that fake with one hand to the FB and pivot and switch hand-off to the RB. That's what I was (primarily) talking about.

There's no denying the entire team seemed to have a bit more in their step when Sanchez went to the bench, but how that translates down the line is to be determined I suppose.

Like pulling the Goalie in hockey

DDNYjets · 12-02-2012, 06:23 PM

I don't know enough about QBing to be sure but is it possible that McElroy has different ball fakes than Sanchez? I know QBs are taught to "sell" their fakes and to do it certain ways on different plays but maybe the Jets give the QBs some leeway in their style.

If anything I would think that the playbook would be simplified, or in Sparano-speak "vanilla", for McElroy.

Football is an emotional game. I just think we got a spark from McElroy today. We have seen this happen before with Vinny and Penny.

SouthTown · 12-02-2012, 07:05 PM

The kid DOESNT PRACTICE with the first team. They HAD A LIMITED PLAYBOOK when we went in. They were trying NOT TO LOSE THE GAME.

12-02-2012, 04:44 PM	#1
Jetworks murse in training Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Staten Island Posts: 7,545	Offensive Gameplan I found it interesting that the gameplan changed significantly when McElroy came into the game, specifically, the winding runs that gained chunks of yardage. I would expect some changes from a QB standpoint, but why the style of rushing attack?

12-02-2012, 05:05 PM	#3
red75bronco Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 530	Something they should have done several games ago to try to gt confidence back to a struggling qb. I also noticed on the TD drive that Greene was on the damn bench were he belonged.

12-02-2012, 05:11 PM	#5
DDNYjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,559	To be honest, I just think the players gave a better effort for McElroy. We run a lot of counters and pull our Guards a lot (I always complain about Slauson and Ducasse pulling and not blocking anybody, LOL). Greene bounced one outside but that was a "vanilla" running play. I am not sure it was anything more than that. Besides it was only 4 drives, hard to be conclusive with such a small sample size.

12-02-2012, 05:14 PM	#7
Vinny Testaverde's Niece Post Count Not Affected By Demise of Hotties Forum All League Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 4,291	It seems like all of a sudden the coaching got a lot better.

12-02-2012, 05:19 PM	#8
red75bronco Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 530	The jets under Ryan have always been better with a simpler approach. THy dumbed it down and just ran the ball. No sg on third and two, a nice bootleg at the goal line. Why didn't they run a slant to Schillens at the goal line?

12-02-2012, 05:40 PM	#16
red75bronco Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 530	19-24 run pass ratio until Sanchez was benched. 19-9 after

12-02-2012, 06:23 PM	#19
DDNYjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,559	I don't know enough about QBing to be sure but is it possible that McElroy has different ball fakes than Sanchez? I know QBs are taught to "sell" their fakes and to do it certain ways on different plays but maybe the Jets give the QBs some leeway in their style. If anything I would think that the playbook would be simplified, or in Sparano-speak "vanilla", for McElroy. Football is an emotional game. I just think we got a spark from McElroy today. We have seen this happen before with Vinny and Penny.

12-02-2012, 07:05 PM	#20
SouthTown Veteran Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,074	The kid DOESNT PRACTICE with the first team. They HAD A LIMITED PLAYBOOK when we went in. They were trying NOT TO LOSE THE GAME.