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Icer · 12-02-2012, 05:58 PM

They wont be challenged for the next 4-5 years either

ironman61 · 12-02-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jzelada121

LOL whats the book going to say? How to completely luck out into a franchise QB in the 6th round? LOL, Bellicheat sucked donkey balls before brady and will again after he is gone.

This excuse makes me laugh. Please name me one all time great coach with a non HoF QB.

Lombardi- Starr
Shula - Unitas/Marino
Walsh - Montana
Noll - Bradshaw
Landry - Staubach
Belichick - Brady

They Always go hand in hand

Vin · 12-02-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ironman61

This excuse makes me laugh. Please name me one all time great coach with a non HoF QB.

Lombardi- Starr
Shula - Unitas/Marino
Walsh - Montana
Noll - Bradshaw
Landry - Staubach
Belichick - Brady

They Always go hand in hand

Lombardi? Definitely.

Landry? Definitely.

The others? Not exactly.

You think Shula would've managed without having a Unitas or Marino on his team?

You think anyone would even remember who Walsh was if it wasn't for Montana? Heck, people barely remember who he is today!

Who remembers the Head Coach(Noll?) of the Steelers when Terry "No-Brains" Bradshaw was QB'ing? Exactly.

Bellichek is a solid HC. HOWEVER, without Brady, that's all he would ever be. And I bet that if Brady didn't pan out post-Mo Lewis-Hit-on-Bledsoe, he might've been either on a different team or out of the NFL altogether.

Coaches who can elevate their entire team regardless of who the QB is are a RARE BREED, IMO.

They can either do it or they can't.

ASG0531 · 12-02-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vin

Lombardi? Definitely.

Landry? Definitely.

The others? Not exactly.

You think Shula would've managed without having a Unitas or Marino on his team?

You think anyone would even remember who Walsh was if it wasn't for Montana? Heck, people barely remember who he is today!

Who remembers the Head Coach(Noll?) of the Steelers when Terry "No-Brains" Bradshaw was QB'ing? Exactly.

Bellichek is a solid HC. HOWEVER, without Brady, that's all he would ever be. And I bet that if Brady didn't pan out post-Mo Lewis-Hit-on-Bledsoe, he might've been either on a different team or out of the NFL altogether.

Coaches who can elevate their entire team regardless of who the QB is are a RARE BREED, IMO.

They can either do it or they can't.

Well great, so basically there are only two great head coaches in the history of the NFL, everyone else is a fraud. I don't know why it's always one making the other. It is and always has been a symbiotic relationship between all-time successful coaches and QBs.

PatsFanTX · 12-02-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickBri481

Good team. I hate them, but the way they never lose in the second half of seasons is just remarkable.

Over the last 10 years, the Patriots are now 36-3 in the month of December losing to only one team.

NY's stepchild · 12-02-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

True enough. But they DID get the chance by getting there. There's a 100% certainty that you'll end the season without a championship if you can't get to the dance in the first place.

Yeah that's just as good as winning. Getting to the SB is what's really important. Getting to the Championship game means nothing, but losing the SB is just as good as winning it. I mean everyone remembers who lost the SB, and how many SB loses you have is what determines greatness.

NY's stepchild · 12-02-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Over the last 10 years, the Patriots are now 36-3 in the month of December losing to only one team.

What's their record in January over the last 7 years?

jzelada121 · 12-02-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ironman61

This excuse makes me laugh. Please name me one all time great coach with a non HoF QB.

Lombardi- Starr
Shula - Unitas/Marino
Walsh - Montana
Noll - Bradshaw
Landry - Staubach
Belichick - Brady

They Always go hand in hand

Parcells, Madden, Gibbs?

Vin · 12-02-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ASG0531

Well great, so basically there are only two great head coaches in the history of the NFL, everyone else is a fraud.

Did I say they were Frauds?

Maybe I should've included Shula/Noll/Walsh in the "solid HC" category where I placed Bellichek since you got the wrong idea.

My POINT was that this group, while they are good HC's, had their careers elevated due to being FORTUNATE enough to land Franchise HOF-caliber QBs during their tenure.

AFCEastFan · 12-02-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ironman61

This excuse makes me laugh. Please name me one all time great coach with a non HoF QB.

Lombardi- Starr
Shula - Unitas/Marino
Walsh - Montana
Noll - Bradshaw
Landry - Staubach
Belichick - Brady

They Always go hand in hand

Ugh -- weak. You set yourself up for that one.

JetsFan24 · 12-02-2012, 06:50 PM

don't you guys ever get tired of having this same back and forth everyday?

Green&White51 · 12-02-2012, 07:09 PM

It must be nice to dominate your division for a decade. Maybe one day we'll be relevant again.

Mohegangreen · 12-02-2012, 07:18 PM

Maybe we can get on a roll with Mac and end up knocking the Patriot douchebags out of the playoffs

GuidoYaztremski · 12-02-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NY's stepchild

Yeah that's just as good as winning. Getting to the SB is what's really important. Getting to the Championship game means nothing, but losing the SB is just as good as winning it. I mean everyone remembers who lost the SB, and how many SB loses you have is what determines greatness.

Of course it's not as good as winning. But you act like getting there is no better than going 8-8, or say, 6-10.

Losing the SB is better than losing the AFCCG is better than losing the Division is better than a losing season. How can you argue that?

GuidoYaztremski · 12-02-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

Maybe we can get on a roll with Mac and end up knocking the Patriot douchebags out of the playoffs

Colts and Steelers won. You're done.

kjmass1 · 12-02-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

By the way, speaking of New England, how did the Arizona Cardinals beat them?

The 49ers lost to the Rams today 16-13. The Pats beat the Rams 45-7. Every team has a bad day.

Mohegangreen · 12-02-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Colts and Steelers won. You're done.

Ya never know...

jzelada121 · 12-02-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Colts and Steelers won. You're done.

Awesome man!! See you next year, I am sure you are headed over to the playoff teams boards to dedicate your trolling over there since our year is done.
See you next year!

GuidoYaztremski · 12-02-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

Ya never know...

Well, the ball DOES bounce funny some days so I guess you're right.

Ya never know.

Borgoguy · 12-02-2012, 08:00 PM

"I didn't come here to kiss Belichick's rings".
--Former New York Jets Head Coach, Rex Ryan

You also didn't win the division...again. Do Woody, and us, a favor and resign tonight. Let Mike W. finish out the year.

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Icer All League Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 3,147	They wont be challenged for the next 4-5 years either

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Green&White51 All League Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 4,170	It must be nice to dominate your division for a decade. Maybe one day we'll be relevant again.

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Borgoguy Not one image until my posts are restored. Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,337	"I didn't come here to kiss Belichick's rings". --Former New York Jets Head Coach, Rex Ryan You also didn't win the division...again. Do Woody, and us, a favor and resign tonight. Let Mike W. finish out the year.