Only Good HC Jets have had since Walt Michaels was Parcells

[petejet]

Originally Posted by Jets337

While Parcells was a great coach he only gave us one playoff apperance in 3 years. Herm was a good coach but couldn't get us to the next level. Mangini could have been a good coach if Brett Favre wasn't forced upon him.

This makes absolutely no sense. The Jets were a legitimate threat with Favre until he got hurt. In fact Mangenius cost the Jets a W against a Brady-less Pats team by trying to out think Belichik like it was some king of chess match instead of letting Favre play his game.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by TokyoJetsFan

Yes Rex gets us to 2 AFC Championship games in his first 2 years with Mark Sanchez as his QB and he hasn't been a good coach. Please.

What was Wreck's coaching strategy to have the Colts and Bengals sit their starters so the Jets could back into the playoffs?

[petejet]

Perhaps a better title for this thread would have been:

Only Real HC Jets have had since Walt Michaels was Parcells

[chirorob]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

What was Wreck's coaching strategy to have the Colts and Bengals sit their starters so the Jets could back into the playoffs?

Don't knock it, it worked.

[jetsfan1983]

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

Mangini already had a good foundation in place and Rex thrived with it. But Tannenbaum and Rex have slowly ripped the roster apart and the team stinks with their stamp on it.

This is beyond confusing...So Mangini was controlling the roster then while now, Tannenbaum has more of a say with Rex? Comical.


And the fact that Rex got to 2 AFC championship games with Sanchez at QB is plenty of evidence that the guy is a very good coach.

Hell, he made it further than Parcells did and Parcells had a better roster.

[DDNYjets]

Originally Posted by petejet

This makes absolutely no sense. The Jets were a legitimate threat with Favre until he got hurt. In fact Mangenius cost the Jets a W against a Brady-less Pats team by trying to out think Belichik like it was some king of chess match instead of letting Favre play his game.

Mangini also beat the Pats in 2006 which was the first time we beat them since 2002. And we did win in NE in 2008.

Mangini's personality cost him his job. Not his coaching ability or his ability to evaluate players. He pissed Woody off and made things hard with the media.

[kevin45]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

What was Wreck's coaching strategy to have the Colts and Bengals sit their starters so the Jets could back into the playoffs?

It was probably similar to Tom Couglin's strategy last year where he got to face the Cowboys in week 17 while Tony Romy had a broken hand. Except that for Coughlin it resulted in another heartbreaking Pats superbowl loss, instead of simply a heartbreaking divisional playoff loss.

[Rich Caster]

Parcells was the only non - first time head coach.
Rex is on the job training, as he said " trying to figure it out"
We need a head coach with a proven track record. this is New York.

[Sanchez 3:16]

Originally Posted by Greentide

Rex, like his father should've stayed a defensive coach. Equally sad IMO I don't think the Jets have ever had a good GM or owner. Hence the B.S. with this team is the never ending story. The occassional flash just to give us fans false hope before it all comes tumbling down.

they've never had good fans either.

[Seagirt]

Originally Posted by Greentide

Rex, like his father should've stayed a defensive coach. Equally sad IMO I don't think the Jets have ever had a good GM or owner. Hence the B.S. with this team is the never ending story. The occassional flash just to give us fans false hope before it all comes tumbling down.

= Sad but true. Sad but true. Players played hard for Herm Edwards, but we were not getting to a SuperBowl with Chad Penny. Too Bad Parcells could not stay for 10 years. Do ya think Parcells woulda allowed Wayne Hunter to be a 1st Team RT. ?

[w0mbat]

Originally Posted by kevin45

Under Rex the Jets are 33-27 & 4-2 in the playoffs with one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Just sayin.

Pretty much. People are pissed and they just want to guillotine everybody. Rex talks too much and has his flaws but people who want to run him out of town are nuts.

Give him a QB, tell him to stop talking so much, and get a new GM to handle personnel and the Jets will be more than fine with Rex as coach.

[southside]

Originally Posted by kevin45

Under Rex the Jets are 33-27 & 4-2 in the playoffs with one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Just sayin.

Well put. Never thought of that before.

[Gibby]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

What was Wreck's coaching strategy to have the Colts and Bengals sit their starters so the Jets could back into the playoffs?

Wonder what strategy he had for also beating Manning and Brady in their own building back to back weeks. Just sayin.

[joiseyjet]

Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16

they've never had good fans either.

YEA! ,But the Fans send thier cash to the owners ,not the other way around!

[palmetto defender]

Originally Posted by SONNY WERBLIN

Didn't you know Brian Billick was a better coach than:

Bud Grant
George Allen
Don Coryell
Paul Brown
Sid Gilman

Just for the record, as you know, Paul Brown won MANY championships.
The SB is just a "name" for ones after a point.

[kennyo7]

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Pretty much. People are pissed and they just want to guillotine everybody. Rex talks too much and has his flaws but people who want to run him out of town are nuts.

Give him a QB, tell him to stop talking so much, and get a new GM to handle personnel and the Jets will be more than fine with Rex as coach.

People who want Rex to stay simply dont get it. It has nothing to do with his record, playoffs, or personality. Hell, Id be happy to keep him as coach even if he finished 3-13 if he showed improvement as a coach. He has not. Actually he has regressed.

He does not hold anyone accountable players, coaches, noone. Why wasnt Gugs fired immediately after what he said? Why arent JAG players cut on the spot after making bonehead moves as a n example to the rest of the team. Why wasnt Sanchez benched earlier to send a message? Why does he defend players performances when clearly they suck? When you fear about losing your job you play harder. There is no fear on this team because being buddies with the players is more important to Rex. The players know it.

The team plays undisciplined football. After 4 year as Head Coach this has not improved. The team lacks in fundamentals, cant tackle, cant block etc. His young players have not shown the improvement that would be expected outside of Mo WIlkerson.

Rex is considered a defensive genius, yet his Defense has gotten worse every year. Statistically they may be doing well in yards allowed but they give up to many points and are never dependable in clutch situations. They cant stop a nose bleed.

All this is why Rex must go.

[Sanchez 3:16]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

People who want Rex to stay simply dont get it. It has nothing to do with his record, playoffs, or personality. Hell, Id be happy to keep him as coach even if he finished 3-13 if he showed improvement as a coach. He has not. Actually he has regressed.

He does not hold anyone accountable players, coaches, noone. Why wasnt Gugs fired immediately after what he said? Why arent JAG players cut on the spot after making bonehead moves as a n example to the rest of the team. Why wasnt Sanchez benched earlier to send a message? Why does he defend players performances when clearly they suck? When you fear about losing your job you play harder. There is no fear on this team because being buddies with the players is more important to Rex. The players know it.

The team plays undisciplined football. After 4 year as Head Coach this has not improved. The team lacks in fundamentals, cant tackle, cant block etc. His young players have not shown the improvement that would be expected outside of Mo WIlkerson.

Rex is considered a defensive genius, yet his Defense has gotten worse every year. Statistically they may be doing well in yards allowed but they give up to many points and are never dependable in clutch situations. They cant stop a nose bleed.

All this is why Rex must go.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. If this was anywhere near true, wouldn't Bart Scott be playing every snap? Rex has personally called Bart his equivalent on the field. They're buddies. In addition to being buddies, Bart has seen decreased playing time on 3rd downs and passing downs. That doesn't sound like Rex putting a player over the benefit of the team.

Sure Rex has his flaws, but he is an excellent coach on game day. He may be one of the best in the league in successful challenges; we go for it on 4th down when we need to go for it, we fake a punt when we need to fake a punt... he rarely makes a boneheaded move that makes you say "WTF Rex?". He is excellent at assessing a situation in real time and making the correct call. Perhaps you'd prefer a Marvin Lewis burning two challenges in the first quarter of a playoff game?

Are there personnel issues? Absolutely. Is it a circus off the field? No doubt about it. Could they draft better? Yes. But that also begins with not trading away all of our draft picks. We chastise him over the most mundane, everyday occurrences among HC's in this league. Praising a player in a press conference? How dare he! Not cutting a player after a boneheaded move? No one deserves a second chance! He hasn't regressed. The greatest predictor of success is how you handle failure. He deserves the opportunity to turn this around and work through that failure. He's proven he can win, and he will win again.

All this is why Rex must stay.

[kennyo7]

Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. If this was anywhere near true, wouldn't Bart Scott be playing every snap? Rex has personally called Bart his equivalent on the field. They're buddies. In addition to being buddies, Bart has seen decreased playing time on 3rd downs and passing downs. That doesn't sound like Rex putting a player over the benefit of the team.

Sure Rex has his flaws, but he is an excellent coach on game day. He may be one of the best in the league in successful challenges; we go for it on 4th down when we need to go for it, we fake a punt when we need to fake a punt... he rarely makes a boneheaded move that makes you say "WTF Rex?". He is excellent at assessing a situation in real time and making the correct call. Perhaps you'd prefer a Marvin Lewis burning two challenges in the first quarter of a playoff game?

Are there personnel issues? Absolutely. Is it a circus off the field? No doubt about it. Could they draft better? Yes. But that also begins with not trading away all of our draft picks. We chastise him over the most mundane, everyday occurrences among HC's in this league. Praising a player in a press conference? How dare he! Not cutting a player after a boneheaded move? No one deserves a second chance! He hasn't regressed. The greatest predictor of success is how you handle failure. He deserves the opportunity to turn this around and work through that failure. He's proven he can win, and he will win again.

All this is why Rex must stay.

Bart Scott should not be playing more than 10-20% of snaps. Davis should be strting and gaining valuable experience since Scott will not be here next season.

If your argument to keep Rex is that he is successful with challenges and knows when to call time out, then you have really low standards.

[w0mbat]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

The team plays undisciplined football. After 4 year as Head Coach this has not improved. The team lacks in fundamentals, cant tackle, cant block etc. His young players have not shown the improvement that would be expected outside of Mo WIlkerson.

So the current group of players the Jets have will magically become better at tackling and blocking simply by changing the head coach?

Rex is considered a defensive genius, yet his Defense has gotten worse every year.

Of course the fact that the talent in the defense has declined may be also be factor as well perhaps?

And 'gotten worse every year' is a bit stretch when talking about 2009 to 2010. The defense 'regressed' from going 1st in the NFL to 3rd. A decline in 2011 was inevitable considering how high the Jets were ranked the previous two years.

Rex has the worst starting linebacking corps in the NFL. The roster is completely devoid of pass rushers. His top sack leader is Bryan Thomas with 2.5 sacks.

Need talent on the roster to be an upper echelon defense. Coaching only takes you so far.

The other defensive genius in Foxboro hasn't had anything better than an average defense in the last 4 years.

Why wasnt Sanchez benched earlier to send a message?

Sanchez sucks but so do McElroy and Tebow. Tebow is basically a left handed version of Sanchez that can run and McElroy has neither the arm or athleticism to be a viable long term solution. With his contract and no long term solutions in Tebow and McElroy I can understand Rex sticking with Sanchez even if I disagree with it.



I'd love to see the coach that would make this roster a contender, any coach who could have surpassed 8-8 with this roster would have been a miracle worker. Worst starting QB in the NFL, no pass rushers, no LB's, and no RB's on the roster that are any better than JAGs.

Rex isn't without his faults but the main culprit of this mess is Tannenbaum.

[Sanchez 3:16]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

Bart Scott should not be playing more than 10-20% of snaps. Davis should be strting and gaining valuable experience since Scott will not be here next season.

If your argument to keep Rex is that he is successful with challenges and knows when to call time out, then you have really low standards.

Again, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I say Rex doesn't favor players over team, you say he's not favoring the team enough.

My argument is that the guy who excels on game day is the guy we should keep. If you want to can a guy over him being dishonest in a press conference, well, I'd advise lowering your standards a bit. No one will fit your mold of perfection.