Per PFT : Rex likely staying and Tanny gets reassigned...

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by eaglenj

For anyone who is in the "Rex should return in 2013 camp", how would you rank him in these categories.

1. In game management: Time outs, clock, challenges etc

2. Roster management/Personnel evaluation

3. Lockerroom/motivation

4. Coaching Philosophy (ie are we running the right systems)

5. Staff Management - Are the coaches here the right guys for the job

These are the most important jobs that a HC has. How is he doing in each category after 4 years on the job?

6. Developing players and putting them in position to succeed.

7. Installing discipline.

8. Accountability

[patman]

Originally Posted by Snell41

That's what Tanny has been doing. Is it shocking to you that our offense is completely inept? Rex has no clue on offense. Tanny has been deferring to Rex this whole time, just as he did with Mangini prior. Here's how I'd be willing to bet the draft room goes-

Round one-Rex rants and raves Coples is great we gotta have him he's the passrusher we need. Round 2-Rex says ok guys go ahead and draft an offensive player you think is good.

Seriously, do you think Rex has any clue on how to evaluate a college level offensive player at all? Do you realize they valued Sanchez so much higher because more of his friends came to his workout? John Connor makes some bone crushing hits and he's Rex's guy regardless of the fact he's completely inept in actually finding someone to block. All coaches come from one side of the ball, but I have never seen a coach as married to his side and as oblivious to the other as Rex is.

What I understand of what goes on at the jets and teams with similar FO structures is that Bradway leads the scouting dept both pro and college.
that team grades players.

Tanny is not sitting in a meeting watching film and grading a CB coming out of his backpedal. He is a manager.

Rex does the same with his coaches. They review NFL film and based on that and seeing them perform rank available FA. They also meet with the college players that were identified as fits at the combine and pro days. They then assign a grade to those players that were previously graded by the personnel dept. Rex also ranks in critical order the positions most in need.

Rex, tanny and Bradway then hash out the different grades on the same player and set the board. Rex lets the GM know what positions

Tanny is not sitting and watching film and grading a CB on his transition out of his backpedal.

[SouthTown]

It'll be interesting to see who they choose as GM.

[SouthTown]

Originally Posted by C Mart

6. Developing players and putting them in position to succeed.

7. Installing discipline.

8. Accountability

Fs


Lots of Fs

[eaglenj]

Originally Posted by SouthTown

Fs


Lots of Fs

You are correct....a lot of subpar grades there.

Im not trying to have a typical jets insider ranting thread here, but if you take all the emotion out of whether we "like" rex or not, and simply look at what he does or doesnt do well, the list is staggering as far as his lack of basic head coaching skills.

[patman]

Originally Posted by C Mart

6. Developing players and putting them in position to succeed.

7. Installing discipline.

8. Accountability

Xs and Os are still kind of important also don't you think?

[Green + White]

S-somehow good news, right guys? G-guys?

[eaglenj]

Originally Posted by patman

Xs and Os are still kind of important also don't you think?

Rex is great defensively with Xs and Os, I dont think there is much of a debate about that

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

It is speculation by Manish but I hope its true.

Why would a new GM want to keep Rex? I'd imagine that forcing Rex down the throat of a new GM will keep some good candidates away.

Let the new GM decide if he wants Rex or not. Handcuffing him to Rex involuntarily would be a disastrous way to start off a new GM and will reduce the pool of candidates. Leave it to Woody to be so focking stupid yet again. FOr all the allegations of this team being managed by clowns and being a circus act, it is Woody Johnson who is the biggest clown in the show. If only we could fire this idiot.

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by patman

Xs and Os are still kind of important also don't you think?

He knows Xs and Os of a D. A HC requires more than just knowing 1 side of the ball. He's a good DC. He's not a HC.

[Snell41]

Originally Posted by patman

Xs and Os are still kind of important also don't you think?

Sure. He's great at X's, completely inept at O's. So here's the breakdown without emotion, just being completely honest:

1. In game management: Time outs, clock, challenges etc-Average to below average. Not many coaches are masters at this.

2. Roster management/Personnel evaluation-Poor

3. Lockerroom/motivation-I can't give him a terrible grade on this because he motivated an inferior team to some big playoff wins. But these last 2 years have been very poor.

4. Coaching Philosophy (ie are we running the right systems)-I don't think so. This is not a defensive league anymore. You can not put all the eggs on the defensive side of the ball and just leave leftovers to the offense. Poor in today's game.

5. Staff Management - Are the coaches here the right guys for the job-Poor, simply because the guy just has no ideahow to evaluate an offensive coach.

6. Developing players and putting them in position to succeed. -Poor. Wilkerson has been a nice player but he should be considering where he was drafted. Our DB's have developed very well, that's it.

7. Installing discipline. -terrible, players running their mouth, coaches running their mouth, Rex running his mouth....


8. Accountability-Name me one player or coach Rex held accountable. Hell, they couldn't even fire Schotty properly.

9. X's-Phenominal

10-O's-Atrocious.

[intelligentjetsfan]

Its typical half *** football management.

We address one of the problems (the GM) but we don't fire him, we just demote him.

We need a new GM but any new GM that comes here must be forced to keep the coach from the previous regime in place and work, in come capacity, with the former GM as well.

And the cycle of stupidity continues.........

[C Mart]

Originally Posted by Snell41

Sure. He's great at X's, completely inept at O's. So here's the breakdown without emotion, just being completely honest:

1. In game management: Time outs, clock, challenges etc-Average to below average. Not many coaches are masters at this.

2. Roster management/Personnel evaluation-Poor

3. Lockerroom/motivation-I can't give him a terrible grade on this because he motivated an inferior team to some big playoff wins. But these last 2 years have been very poor.

4. Coaching Philosophy (ie are we running the right systems)-I don't think so. This is not a defensive league anymore. You can not put all the eggs on the defensive side of the ball and just leave leftovers to the offense. Poor in today's game.

5. Staff Management - Are the coaches here the right guys for the job-Poor, simply because the guy just has no ideahow to evaluate an offensive coach.

6. Developing players and putting them in position to succeed. -Poor. Wilkerson has been a nice player but he should be considering where he was drafted. Our DB's have developed very well, that's it.

7. Installing discipline. -terrible, players running their mouth, coaches running their mouth, Rex running his mouth....


8. Accountability-Name me one player or coach Rex held accountable. Hell, they couldn't even fire Schotty properly.

9. X's-Phenominal

10-O's-Atrocious.

Well done! Spot on!

[patman]

If I was a fan of the Jets-

Tanny is reassigned to cap issues only- not contracts.

A director of football operations comes in to act as a go-between Woody and the GM. He deals with the league, the schedule, facilities etc.

A new GM comes in with a football and not a business background. He has final say on personnel and contracts. The decision to keep Rex should be up to him.For his own personal sake, he may want Rex to stick around and take the heat next season as he fields next years team. While this sounds kind of heartless It allows the new GM a personal understanding of the coaching staff.

The new GM can review the scouting reports from all the scouts over the last few years, and with 20-20 hindsight promote the ones that Identified talent and get rid of the non performers. Between his contacts and the new DFO's contacts they will hire and reorganize the Scouting depts both pro and college.

As a Patriot fan, I would be concerned if the jets were restructured as.

Marty Schotenhimer Director of Football Operations
Eric Decosta - GM
Mike Zimmer HC
Bobby Petrino OC
Jim Tomsula DC

Marty built great teams in Clevland and KC, Game day decisions don't matter in this position.

Decosta is well thought of and young enough to still learn from a mentor such as Marty. He has a solid contract with Balt but the league may pressure Bisciotti to release him as the league wants a successful team in this market.

Zimmer is liked by his players, but is a hard nosed, results guy.

Petrino worked with Zimmer in the past and with Coughlin who said he was the best game day OC he knew. His personal daliance will keep him away from the college ranks for at least 2 more years as that heat cools down.

Tomsula, is another talented defensive mind, Zimmer as a DC ran both a 3-4 and a 4-3 so whatever direction Tomsula wanted to go, would be ok with him.

[Dcat]

Well, it's highly likely that AJ Smith and Norv Turner will be looking for jobs:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/...hargers-seaso/

Team sources tell the Union-Tribune San Diego Chargers owner Dean Spanos plans to fire both coach Norval Turner and GM A.J. Smith at season's end.
According to long-time Chargers reporter Kevin Acee, Spanos has "resigned himself to the fact that Smith can't be kept in the current environment of plummeting performance and fan unrest," and that plans to can both Turner and Smith are "already in motion." Spanos was widely expected to replace his football brain trust last season, but had a last-minute change of heart. Per Acee, "it seems certain" that will not be the case this time around. Spanos is reportedly planning to replace Smith with current Chargers Director of Player Personnel Jimmy Raye.

[Snell41]

Originally Posted by Dcat

Well, it's highly likely that AJ Smith and Norv Turner will be looking for jobs:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/...hargers-seaso/

I don't like AJ Smith. Way too cocky for his own good. He has a horrible reputation amongst agents and players and I think he would have a direct negative impact in terms of trying to sign quality free agents. Norv Turner would make a nice OC.

[Winstonbiggs]

Any GM with football skills who isn't given the opportunity to bring in his own staff isn't going to work out.

[Joe W. Namath]

Its typical half *** football management.
We address one of the problems (the GM) but we don't fire him, we just demote him.
We need a new GM but any new GM that comes here must be forced to keep the coach from the previous regime in place and work, in come capacity, with the former GM as well.
And the cycle of stupidity continues.........

Nothing needs to be said after this post.

and who cares what parcells thinks of rex. Parcells thought jeff ireland and tony sparano could run a team.

[sec.101row23]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Its typical half *** football management.

We address one of the problems (the GM) but we don't fire him, we just demote him.

We need a new GM but any new GM that comes here must be forced to keep the coach from the previous regime in place and work, in come capacity, with the former GM as well.

And the cycle of stupidity continues.........

Demoting people is what bad organizations and companies do. When you come to the conclusion that someone is not competent at their job and you decide to make a change, you do not keep them in your organization. It is Management 101, even though the guy may have some good qualities, which is why the person was put in the position he was in the first place, you do not keep them in a lesser role. Absolute insanity keeping all these failed GMs in the organization.

Besides, in the last 5 years, where has Tanny showed he was such a great cap guy? People make it seem like this guy knows more about the cap and its rules than anyone else in the league. There is no evidence of this to prove he is such a "cap wizard".

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by revischrist

Not saying I'm not a fan of martz, but rex would strangle him by the end of season one, literally he would strangle him!

Well punching is more in his family line..