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Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 02:07 PM

I am so tired of the Jets having an offensive attitude that just screams conservatism. In this day and age of the NFL we may be the only team who doesn't allow the QB to throw the ball all over the field. Even the Cardinals let Lindley continue to throw the ball constantly even though he was playing horrible. The Jaguars have more confidence in Henne and his arm then we do with our "franchise" QB. It's f*cking disgusting. We need a gun slinger. That's the type of QB who brought us our only Super Bowl championship and that's what it's going to take to get another one.

McGinley · 12-09-2012, 02:10 PM

Would you rather they lean Liberal?

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 02:13 PM

That last set of plays with almost 2 minutes left on the clock and 3 timeouts was the perfect example of what my original post was talking about.

McGinley · 12-09-2012, 02:14 PM

Indeed. Pretty pathetic, but that's typical Wrecks. No balls whatsoever.

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 02:26 PM

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Indeed. Pretty pathetic, but that's typical Wrecks. No balls whatsoever.

Well I wouldn't put it all on Rex. If his QB is any of the top 15 QB's in the league he would be more aggressive. But since his QB is a turnover machine, the risk is much greater. I think the conservatism I am talking about has more to do with who the QB is and not who the coach is. I'm annoyed that our coach forced this playing style on Sanchez his first 2 years with the intention of letting Sanchez open up more year 3 or 4 but the fact that Sanchez can't be trusted to not turn the ball over every game has made the coaching staff stick with the idea of playing conservative on offense when in year 4 Sanchez should be slinging it around the field.

detjetsfan · 12-09-2012, 02:28 PM

Jets have been insanely conservative on offense since Parcells ditched us in 2000. The philosophy of the organization is to build the 90's Tony Dungy era Tampa Bay Bucs. Vinny throwing picks and costing us a playoff run in 2000 affected the front office to this very day.

Too bad you don't win Super Bowls with Ground n' Pound. You win it with passing and pass rushing.

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Jets have been insanely conservative on offense since Parcells ditched us in 2000. The philosophy of the organization is to build the 90's Tony Dungy era Tampa Bay Bucs. Vinny throwing picks and costing us a playoff run in 2000 affected the front office to this very day.

Too bad you don't win Super Bowls with Ground n' Pound. You win it with passing and pass rushing.

Agree 100%

McGinley · 12-09-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Choon328

Well I wouldn't put it all on Rex. If his QB is any of the top 15 QB's in the league he would be more aggressive. But since his QB is a turnover machine, the risk is much greater. I think the conservatism I am talking about has more to do with who the QB is and not who the coach is. So I'm annoyed that our coach forced this playing style on Sanchez his first 2 years but the fact that Sanchez can't be trusted to not turn the ball over every game has made the coaching staff stick with the idea of playing conservative on offense when in year 4 Sanchez should be slinging it around the field.

Hmm, also true.

You know that move The Perfect Storm with George Clooney and Mark Wahlberg where they're on a swordfish boat and get stuck in a giant ass storm? I feel like the Jets are the boat, we fans are Clooney and Wahlberg, and the water is ****. We're in a perfect **** storm. And, in the words of George Clooney, "she's not gonna let us out".

Greentide · 12-09-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Choon328

Well I wouldn't put it all on Rex. If his QB is any of the top 15 QB's in the league he would be more aggressive. But since his QB is a turnover machine, the risk is much greater. I think the conservatism I am talking about has more to do with who the QB is and not who the coach is. I'm annoyed that our coach forced this playing style on Sanchez his first 2 years with the intention of letting Sanchez open up more but the fact that Sanchez can't be trusted to not turn the ball over every game has made the coaching staff stick with the idea of playing conservative on offense when in year 4 Sanchez should be slinging it around the field.

He didn't force this style on Sanchez it's the other way around. In order to win, the Jets need to be able to run successfully against an opponent in order to take all pressure off Mark. He wilts under a pass rush and/or takes a good hit. Then it's the happy feet/ deer in headlights/ fumblitis/ throw quick inaccurate passes to the other team Mark.

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Greentide

He didn't force this style on Sanchez it's the other way around. In order to win, the Jets need to be able to run successfully against an opponent in order to take all pressure off Mark. He wilts under a pass rush and/or takes a good hit. Then it's the happy feet/ deer in headlights/ fumblitis/ throw quick inaccurate passes to the other team Mark.

Sanchez's first two years is when the idea of conservatism was forced on him. They could have taken a totally different approach and things may have been different.

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 02:54 PM

Here's a great example of how terrible Sanchez is:

The other QB's who played against Jacksonville averaged 64% comp and 268 yards per game with 23 completed passes per game.

Sanchez is 9/14 for 67 yards half way through the 3rd quarter. What a f*cking joke!

Foggy · 12-09-2012, 03:55 PM

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Sanchez is 9/14 for 67 yards half way through the 3rd quarter.

Those are McElroy type numbers!

GO JETS!!!

JamesR · 12-09-2012, 04:13 PM

Jets coaches don't trust Mark. Only let him throw when they had to today.

Understandable, but not an ongoing recipe for success.

NYJ37/12 · 12-09-2012, 04:15 PM

THEY HAVE NO ONE ON OFFENSE. NO TALENT AT THE SKILL POSITIONS.

McGinley · 12-09-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Foggy

Those are McElroy type numbers!

GO JETS!!!

You mean the whole 1 quarter he got to play? I suppose you could call that a win for Sanchez, I guess.

Jetworks · 12-09-2012, 04:28 PM

I'm not one for conservatism. I favor a Mill utilitarianism philosophy.

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NYJ37/12

THEY HAVE NO ONE ON OFFENSE. NO TALENT AT THE SKILL POSITIONS.

Good QB's make the players around them better. He makes them worse.

JETSJetsJetsJets · 12-09-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Choon328

I am so tired of the Jets having an offensive attitude that just screams conservatism. In this day and age of the NFL we may be the only team who doesn't allow the QB to throw the ball all over the field. Even the Cardinals let Lindley continue to throw the ball constantly even though he was playing horrible. The Jaguars have more confidence in Henne and his arm then we do with our "franchise" QB. It's f*cking disgusting. We need a gun slinger. That's the type of QB who brought us our only Super Bowl championship and that's what it's going to take to get another one.

Joe Namath threw 0 passes in the 4th quarter of SBIII.

NYJ37/12 · 12-09-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Choon328

Good QB's make the players around them better. He makes them worse.

you guys keep saying the same crap over and over.

these guys dont get open, even Wilcox stated this during the game.

Sanchez sucks, we get it. But Manning couldnt make these practice squad players better.

Choon328 · 12-09-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JETSJetsJetsJets

Joe Namath threw 0 passes in the 4th quarter of SBIII.

16-0 lead with 13 min left in the 4th quarter. They didn't need to throw the ball.

12-09-2012, 02:07 PM	#1
Choon328 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rochester, NY--Originally from Long Island Posts: 777	Conservatism I am so tired of the Jets having an offensive attitude that just screams conservatism. In this day and age of the NFL we may be the only team who doesn't allow the QB to throw the ball all over the field. Even the Cardinals let Lindley continue to throw the ball constantly even though he was playing horrible. The Jaguars have more confidence in Henne and his arm then we do with our "franchise" QB. It's f*cking disgusting. We need a gun slinger. That's the type of QB who brought us our only Super Bowl championship and that's what it's going to take to get another one.

12-09-2012, 02:10 PM	#2
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,485	Would you rather they lean Liberal?

12-09-2012, 02:13 PM	#3
Choon328 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rochester, NY--Originally from Long Island Posts: 777	That last set of plays with almost 2 minutes left on the clock and 3 timeouts was the perfect example of what my original post was talking about.

12-09-2012, 02:14 PM	#4
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,485	Indeed. Pretty pathetic, but that's typical Wrecks. No balls whatsoever.

12-09-2012, 02:28 PM	#6
detjetsfan Supports Coach Ryan All League Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,009	Jets have been insanely conservative on offense since Parcells ditched us in 2000. The philosophy of the organization is to build the 90's Tony Dungy era Tampa Bay Bucs. Vinny throwing picks and costing us a playoff run in 2000 affected the front office to this very day. Too bad you don't win Super Bowls with Ground n' Pound. You win it with passing and pass rushing.

12-09-2012, 02:54 PM	#11
Choon328 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rochester, NY--Originally from Long Island Posts: 777	Here's a great example of how terrible Sanchez is: The other QB's who played against Jacksonville averaged 64% comp and 268 yards per game with 23 completed passes per game. Sanchez is 9/14 for 67 yards half way through the 3rd quarter. What a f*cking joke!

12-09-2012, 04:13 PM	#13
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,812	Jets coaches don't trust Mark. Only let him throw when they had to today. Understandable, but not an ongoing recipe for success.

12-09-2012, 04:15 PM	#14
NYJ37/12 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,665	THEY HAVE NO ONE ON OFFENSE. NO TALENT AT THE SKILL POSITIONS.

12-09-2012, 04:28 PM	#16
Jetworks murse in training Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Staten Island Posts: 7,471	I'm not one for conservatism. I favor a Mill utilitarianism philosophy.