Trading Cromartie - Just hear me out! - Jets Insider.com Forums

Vegi5894 · 12-11-2012, 01:48 PM

So I really like Cro, probably more than a lot of people. Yeah he says stupid stuff a lot, but for the most part, the players seem to like him. That being said, I think his trade value is at the highest point it will ever be.

This is the first season in a long time where he's been asked to play the #1 CB position game in, game out. And he's responded very well by having a great season (go ahead and debate that if you want, but imo he's played very well in Revis' absence). He's shown he's willing to make hits here and there also, and been a great cover corner for us.

Age wise he's starting to get older but still at an age where he would be attractive to many teams (this aspect will only wane as the seasons pass).

He's also taking up #1 starter money on our cap (not revis/aso money but #1 money no doubt), which I don't really mind right now, but removing that from the cap would definitely be a plus.

While he's been a great asset to our team, if we trade him, I think it's reasonable to say he'd get us a 3rd rounder, or a 4th at the least.

So along with that, the fact that we'd take some money off the cap (making it easier to sign revis, and possibly laron), coupled with Kyle Wilson having shown that he can be a serviceable #2 behind revis, AND the hopes that we will draft an OLB in the first and Coples/Wilk/Ellis will have a full year of development under their belt (lessening the need for our "lockdown" secondary coverage), I think it would be a very smart move for a team that has lacked draft picks in recent years, and is looking to rebuild in the draft.

Thoughts?

JerseyJet80 · 12-11-2012, 01:50 PM

If I had a dime for every trade thread that has been posted over the past month, I could buy the damn Jets already

better idea, lets just trade everyone away! superbowl!!!!!!!!!

10PennyToColes87 · 12-11-2012, 01:52 PM

Thoughts?

dump

Johnny Bravo · 12-11-2012, 01:53 PM

dump

Vegi5894 · 12-11-2012, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyJet80

If I had a dime for every trade thread that has been posted over the past month, I could buy the damn Jets already

better idea, lets just trade everyone away! superbowl!!!!!!!!!

Sorry I should have just created another, LETS SIGN BRAYLON thread bc there aren't enough of those yet right?

Don't think I've seen one other trade thread on the front page, but if you take issue with any of the points I've raised I'd love to hear them.

Otherwise I can't say I really sign on to the "let's trade everyone away!" for a superbowl idea.

McGinley · 12-11-2012, 01:55 PM

Dump.

PMarsico9 · 12-11-2012, 01:56 PM

Trade suggestion threads should be auto dumped. The only thing traded in the NFL is draft position.

And besides that, Cro has size, Revis doesn't. Trade the guy without the size and coming off the ACL who will cost to much money if either of them have to be traded.

Revis may be technically flawless, but as guys age, speed leaves. Size doesn't. We have to deal with Gronkowski for the next 9-10 years most likely. Revis has no prayer. Cro can actually cover him.

I'm done.

Dump.

frankiepapa · 12-11-2012, 01:58 PM

And then when signing revis becomes too cost prohibitive, we end up with a third or fourth round bust and Kyle Wilson as our number one corner. Because of his kick returns and ability to play on the offense, cro is way to versatile to get rid of.....if he were a stock then I would say sell....

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eaglenj · 12-11-2012, 01:58 PM

Your idea is a smart move, so we probably wont do it.

Our defense has not really been affected by the loss of revis....which means him coming back technically makes cro expendable.

For all the kyle wilson haters, he has been fine as a starter.

We cant pay Cro $8 million and Revis $15 million

Revis cannot be traded and we cannot franchise him, therefore we risk losing him for compensatory picks only.

The advent of the spread offense limits how much a CB is valued to a team.

Cro's value has NEVER been higher.

We have many holes on this team that need to be filled.

I sincerely think cro can bring back a second round pick. His contract is not terrible, and vontae davis was just traded for a second, so there is a precedent. We need these picks to fill holes at OLB and Oline and this will save us money long term.

Lastly, it allows us to use our own 2nd round pick to fill a hole, and use the other one on a QB to hopefully be the starter in 2014.

Its a smart business trade

eaglenj · 12-11-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frankiepapa

And then when signing revis becomes too cost prohibitive, we end up with a third or fourth round bust and Kyle Wilson as our number one corner. Because of his kick returns and ability to play on the offense, cro is way to versatile to get rid of.....if he were a stock then I would say sell....

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Are you serious with this? He has done NOTHING on offense and doesnt return kicks?

Green + White · 12-11-2012, 02:01 PM

Trading Cro?

DDNYjets · 12-11-2012, 02:03 PM

You're trading the wrong CB.

Revis isn't worth nearly as much as he used to be but we should take a #2, smile and move on.

TheMo · 12-11-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaglenj

Your idea is a smart move, so we probably wont do it.

Our defense has not really been affected by the loss of revis....which means him coming back technically makes cro expendable.

For all the kyle wilson haters, he has been fine as a starter.

We cant pay Cro $8 million and Revis $15 million

Revis cannot be traded and we cannot franchise him, therefore we risk losing him for compensatory picks only.

The advent of the spread offense limits how much a CB is valued to a team.

Cro's value has NEVER been higher.

We have many holes on this team that need to be filled.

I sincerely think cro can bring back a second round pick. His contract is not terrible, and vontae davis was just traded for a second, so there is a precedent. We need these picks to fill holes at OLB and Oline and this will save us money long term.

Lastly, it allows us to use our own 2nd round pick to fill a hole, and use the other one on a QB to hopefully be the starter in 2014.

Its a smart business trade

I agree but must also comment with two points. First being you need to see where Revis is post injury. Second you need to see his contract demands. If he is in the 12-13 million range, fine. But if it's insane you need to trade him.

PMarsico9 · 12-11-2012, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMo

If he is in the 12-13 million range, fine. But if it's insane you need to trade him.

LOL Now dump

Fishooked · 12-11-2012, 02:07 PM

Anytime someone starts a thread with 'just hear me out' its usually a ridiculous idea

frankiepapa · 12-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaglenj

Are you serious with this? He has done NOTHING on offense and doesnt return kicks?

I did say ability....it would be nice to see him get more touches...perhaps and end around or two...

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Joe W. Namath · 12-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Revis may be technically flawless, but as guys age, speed leaves. Size doesn't. We have to deal with Gronkowski for the next 9-10 years most likely. Revis has no prayer. Cro can actually cover him.

Cromartie covering Gronk? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA. Thanks for making me laugh today.

JETS2417 · 12-11-2012, 02:19 PM

Why do so many people on this board want to trade our GOOD corners???

Trade Wilson out of any of them, jeez.

Wilson is horrible, Revis and Cro have proven to be LOCK DOWN, is no one excited about having Revis and a revamped Cro on the field next season? So many of you just want to suck so bad you'd give away every player that actually does something on this team.

Rant over.

Astoria · 12-11-2012, 02:33 PM

Good thinking. Don't listen to all the small minded people who are dismissing this as stupid. They are the same ones who inflate economic bubbles, who only buy at 52 week highs, and who were opposed to trading revis back when we could actually get a 1st and a 2nd for him, as a starting point.

Reactionary thinking means you are too late to the party. Cro is valuable because of speed and athleticism, both of which are going to leave him in a few short years (maybe his decline might start as soon as next year). But you know what's not leaving him? A top of the market CB contract.

The jets would be very wise to unload him for a 2nd. Sell high, be the texans or steelers. Buy high, be the titans or jaguars.

Dirtstar · 12-11-2012, 02:45 PM

please keep in mind that we don't have to pay Revis until 2014.

next year is all about seeing how he recovers post injury and making a decision on an extension after that.

12-11-2012, 01:56 PM	#7
PMarsico9 This pit has no bottom All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,853	Trade suggestion threads should be auto dumped. The only thing traded in the NFL is draft position. And besides that, Cro has size, Revis doesn't. Trade the guy without the size and coming off the ACL who will cost to much money if either of them have to be traded. Revis may be technically flawless, but as guys age, speed leaves. Size doesn't. We have to deal with Gronkowski for the next 9-10 years most likely. Revis has no prayer. Cro can actually cover him. I'm done. Dump. Last edited by PMarsico9; 12-11-2012 at 02:03 PM.

12-11-2012, 01:48 PM	#1
Vegi5894 Practice Squad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 493	Trading Cromartie - Just hear me out! So I really like Cro, probably more than a lot of people. Yeah he says stupid stuff a lot, but for the most part, the players seem to like him. That being said, I think his trade value is at the highest point it will ever be. This is the first season in a long time where he's been asked to play the #1 CB position game in, game out. And he's responded very well by having a great season (go ahead and debate that if you want, but imo he's played very well in Revis' absence). He's shown he's willing to make hits here and there also, and been a great cover corner for us. Age wise he's starting to get older but still at an age where he would be attractive to many teams (this aspect will only wane as the seasons pass). He's also taking up #1 starter money on our cap (not revis/aso money but #1 money no doubt), which I don't really mind right now, but removing that from the cap would definitely be a plus. While he's been a great asset to our team, if we trade him, I think it's reasonable to say he'd get us a 3rd rounder, or a 4th at the least. So along with that, the fact that we'd take some money off the cap (making it easier to sign revis, and possibly laron), coupled with Kyle Wilson having shown that he can be a serviceable #2 behind revis, AND the hopes that we will draft an OLB in the first and Coples/Wilk/Ellis will have a full year of development under their belt (lessening the need for our "lockdown" secondary coverage), I think it would be a very smart move for a team that has lacked draft picks in recent years, and is looking to rebuild in the draft. Thoughts?

12-11-2012, 01:50 PM	#2
JerseyJet80 bring back the beard! All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 2,735	If I had a dime for every trade thread that has been posted over the past month, I could buy the damn Jets already better idea, lets just trade everyone away! superbowl!!!!!!!!!

12-11-2012, 01:52 PM	#3
10PennyToColes87 What the did you just say about me, you little *? Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoFla Posts: 15,418	Thoughts? dump

12-11-2012, 01:53 PM	#4
Johnny Bravo SNUBBED! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10,702	dump

12-11-2012, 01:55 PM	#6
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,611	Dump.

12-11-2012, 01:58 PM	#8
frankiepapa hopes to bring back braylon and holmes All League Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,532	And then when signing revis becomes too cost prohibitive, we end up with a third or fourth round bust and Kyle Wilson as our number one corner. Because of his kick returns and ability to play on the offense, cro is way to versatile to get rid of.....if he were a stock then I would say sell.... Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

12-11-2012, 01:58 PM	#9
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,868	Your idea is a smart move, so we probably wont do it. Our defense has not really been affected by the loss of revis....which means him coming back technically makes cro expendable. For all the kyle wilson haters, he has been fine as a starter. We cant pay Cro $8 million and Revis $15 million Revis cannot be traded and we cannot franchise him, therefore we risk losing him for compensatory picks only. The advent of the spread offense limits how much a CB is valued to a team. Cro's value has NEVER been higher. We have many holes on this team that need to be filled. I sincerely think cro can bring back a second round pick. His contract is not terrible, and vontae davis was just traded for a second, so there is a precedent. We need these picks to fill holes at OLB and Oline and this will save us money long term. Lastly, it allows us to use our own 2nd round pick to fill a hole, and use the other one on a QB to hopefully be the starter in 2014. Its a smart business trade

12-11-2012, 02:01 PM	#11
Green + White furor teutonicus Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NRW, Germany Posts: 1,025	Trading Cro?

12-11-2012, 02:03 PM	#12
DDNYjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,559	You're trading the wrong CB. Revis isn't worth nearly as much as he used to be but we should take a #2, smile and move on.

12-11-2012, 02:07 PM	#15
Fishooked dealin' out shithands Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: teh interwebz Posts: 24,905	Anytime someone starts a thread with 'just hear me out' its usually a ridiculous idea

12-11-2012, 02:19 PM	#18
JETS2417 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,567	Why do so many people on this board want to trade our GOOD corners??? Trade Wilson out of any of them, jeez. Wilson is horrible, Revis and Cro have proven to be LOCK DOWN, is no one excited about having Revis and a revamped Cro on the field next season? So many of you just want to suck so bad you'd give away every player that actually does something on this team. Rant over.

12-11-2012, 02:33 PM	#19
Astoria Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,775	Good thinking. Don't listen to all the small minded people who are dismissing this as stupid. They are the same ones who inflate economic bubbles, who only buy at 52 week highs, and who were opposed to trading revis back when we could actually get a 1st and a 2nd for him, as a starting point. Reactionary thinking means you are too late to the party. Cro is valuable because of speed and athleticism, both of which are going to leave him in a few short years (maybe his decline might start as soon as next year). But you know what's not leaving him? A top of the market CB contract. The jets would be very wise to unload him for a 2nd. Sell high, be the texans or steelers. Buy high, be the titans or jaguars.

12-11-2012, 02:45 PM	#20
Dirtstar Snubbed a man just to watch him cry. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,882	please keep in mind that we don't have to pay Revis until 2014. next year is all about seeing how he recovers post injury and making a decision on an extension after that.