Don't look now but the Jets are 8th in the league in total defense.... - Jets Insider.com Forums

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 12-12-2012, 06:56 PM

Who'd have thunk it.....

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

Rushing defense and scoring defense leave alot to be desired but we are 3rd in the league in pass defense and 8th in the league in total yds per game allowed AKA total defense. I was pretty surprised when I saw this.....

McGinley · 12-12-2012, 06:59 PM

Old.

But, yes. I was amazed when I saw we were a top 10 D again. 11th ranked rushing attack as well, btw.

Mike D · 12-12-2012, 07:04 PM

Talking points for Rex on his interviews in 2013.

THE_SOOTHSAYER · 12-12-2012, 07:38 PM

What's their rank against teams with a winning record. Interested in that stat.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 12-12-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER

What's their rank against teams with a winning record. Interested in that stat.

Ahhhh bummer

AceBoy · 12-12-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Talking points for Rex on his interviews in 2013.

Rex will be back like it or not. No need to change a head coach every 4 years if you don't really need to.

Mohegangreen · 12-12-2012, 07:56 PM

Coples and Wilkerson could be a pretty dominant duo for a long time if they can keep learning and improving...They've been fun to watch lately, especially...👍

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 12-12-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

Coples and Wilkerson could be a pretty dominant duo for a long time if they can keep learning and improving...They've been fun to watch lately, especially...👍

They have been pretty solid. Mo is definitely coming into his own. I had my worries about him, but now I feel more confident about him than most of our defensive players.

C Mart · 12-12-2012, 08:19 PM

How do they rank points allowed? how do they rank on 3rd conversion?
And when leading with 4 minutes to go stop the team to close out the game for a Win?
Yards allowed means squat

JetBidi · 12-12-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER

What's their rank against teams with a winning record. Interested in that stat.

THIS.

And we're still the bottomfeeders of the NFL on offense.

Rambler · 12-12-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Talking points for Rex on his interviews in 2013.

No, successful talking points to Woody!

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 12-12-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER

What's their rank against teams with a winning record. Interested in that stat.

Not too good I'm sure.....

Mohegangreen · 12-12-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

They have been pretty solid. Mo is definitely coming into his own. I had my worries about him, but now I feel more confident about him than most of our defensive players.

Yup, One of the few bright spots this season

SONNY WERBLIN · 12-12-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER

What's their rank against teams with a winning record. Interested in that stat.

Newbies...

BushyTheBeaver · 12-12-2012, 10:07 PM

It always amazes me how crude statistical analysis is for football, especially compared to baseball. Outside of QB rating, there is no attempt to come up with holistic stat that assesses individual players or team performance. There is no equivalent to slugging pct, OPS, OBP, etc.

That said, while there is no single stat that can come close to accurately assessing a defense, total yards has got to be about the worst of the bunch. Points per game, though still seriously flawed, is a better measure (the Jets are 19th). Turnover ratio (while not solely a defensive stat) is another better choice for reflecting overall team performance (the Jets are 22).

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 12-12-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver

It always amazes me how crude statistical analysis is for football, especially compared to baseball. Outside of QB rating, there is no attempt to come up with holistic stat that assesses individual players or team performance. There is no equivalent to slugging pct, OPS, OBP, etc.

That said, while there is no single stat that can come close to accurately assessing a defense, total yards has got to be about the worst of the bunch. Points per game, though still seriously flawed, is a better measure (the Jets are 19th). Turnover ratio (while not solely a defensive stat) is another better choice for reflecting overall team performance (the Jets are 22).

Yep, totally agree.

Points per game also known as scoring defense is the stat I usually look at to get a more accurate gauge of how a defense is performing and 19th for the Jets, unfortunately paints a more telling picture.....

SONNY WERBLIN · 12-12-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver

It always amazes me how crude statistical analysis is for football, especially compared to baseball. Outside of QB rating, there is no attempt to come up with holistic stat that assesses individual players or team performance. There is no equivalent to slugging pct, OPS, OBP, etc.

That said, while there is no single stat that can come close to accurately assessing a defense, total yards has got to be about the worst of the bunch. Points per game, though still seriously flawed, is a better measure (the Jets are 19th). Turnover ratio (while not solely a defensive stat) is another better choice for reflecting overall team performance (the Jets are 22).

Here's my formula for evaluating D's:

points scored against the D + points scored by FG's made by opposing team - points scored by D - interceptions - fumble recoveries - (.25 x sacks) - (.1 x QB hits) - (.1 x passes defended)

Now if I could only get my hands on the raw data to put into the formula.

Rexipus Rex · 12-12-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

Coples and Wilkerson could be a pretty dominant duo for a long time if they can keep learning and improving...They've been fun to watch lately, especially...👍

"Cleaning house" as lots around here wants to do means taking away good defensive coaches like Rex, Pettine, Dunbar. And new coaching staff could mean a scheme change. You do that and you run the risk of retarding or limiting their overall growth and potential.

Coples and Wilkerson are going to be a special combo together.

If you were projecting the next five years, these two guys are two of the most five important players on the team. Jerking around and hiring a brand new staff (that might not devote much time to defense) does a disservice to three of the four most important Jets on the team -- #1 Revis, #3 Wilkerson, #4 Coples. I would consider Mangold #2 most important and Ferguson #5. Cromartie would be after but he's limited by the fact that he is at the back end of his peak years while the other five are either in the middle of it or gradually approaching the beginning of their peak years.

HitSomeone41 · 12-13-2012, 12:02 AM

A top three offense would be so helpful to the defense.

12-12-2012, 08:19 PM	#9
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,303	How do they rank points allowed? how do they rank on 3rd conversion? And when leading with 4 minutes to go stop the team to close out the game for a Win? Yards allowed means squat Last edited by C Mart; 12-13-2012 at 02:02 AM.

12-12-2012, 06:56 PM	#1
ARodFLKeysJetsFan Jets GM John Idzik is handling business.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Currently Norfolk, VA.... Posts: 18,325	Don't look now but the Jets are 8th in the league in total defense.... Who'd have thunk it..... http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go Rushing defense and scoring defense leave alot to be desired but we are 3rd in the league in pass defense and 8th in the league in total yds per game allowed AKA total defense. I was pretty surprised when I saw this.....

12-12-2012, 06:59 PM	#2
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,445	Old. But, yes. I was amazed when I saw we were a top 10 D again. 11th ranked rushing attack as well, btw.

12-12-2012, 07:04 PM	#3
Mike D 2-14 here we come!! And I couldn't be happier about it!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sunrise, FL Posts: 9,914	Talking points for Rex on his interviews in 2013.

12-12-2012, 07:38 PM	#4
THE_SOOTHSAYER President and CEO JetsInsider.com Founder Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 11,426	What's their rank against teams with a winning record. Interested in that stat.

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Mohegangreen liked Fat Rex Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,308	Coples and Wilkerson could be a pretty dominant duo for a long time if they can keep learning and improving...They've been fun to watch lately, especially...👍

12-12-2012, 10:07 PM	#15
BushyTheBeaver size matters All League Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,922	It always amazes me how crude statistical analysis is for football, especially compared to baseball. Outside of QB rating, there is no attempt to come up with holistic stat that assesses individual players or team performance. There is no equivalent to slugging pct, OPS, OBP, etc. That said, while there is no single stat that can come close to accurately assessing a defense, total yards has got to be about the worst of the bunch. Points per game, though still seriously flawed, is a better measure (the Jets are 19th). Turnover ratio (while not solely a defensive stat) is another better choice for reflecting overall team performance (the Jets are 22).

12-13-2012, 12:02 AM	#19
HitSomeone41 is watching The First 48.... All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lima Zulu Posts: 6,064	A top three offense would be so helpful to the defense.