Can someone please explain the decline of Sanchez? - Jets Insider.com Forums

rmeyer52 · 12-18-2012, 07:55 PM

How does a QB go from taking the team to the playoffs to looking completely lost and making mistakes that even rookies wouldn't make ? Is the curse still with this team ?

Zarathustra · 12-18-2012, 07:57 PM

He didn't take us to the play offs. Our defense did.

The explanation is this:

1. He came into the league and he sucked.

2. He doesn't care or have any passion for winning.

3. As a result of point #2, continued to suck even more.

Looking forward to the day I never even have to hear the name Sanchez mentioned ever again.

Gibby · 12-18-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

He didn't take us to the play offs. Our defense did.

The explanation is this:

1. He came into the league and he sucked.

2. He doesn't care or have any passion for winning.

3. As a result of point #2, continued to suck even more.

Looking forward to the day I never even have to hear the name Sanchez mentioned ever again.

I agree for the most part. However his turnovers got way out of hand the last few years. If he could have cut them in half, he would have never had to be great. Just dont lose games

LockeJET · 12-18-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibby

I agree for the most part. However his turnovers got way out of hand the last few years. If he could have cut them in half, he would have never had to be great. Just dont lose games

Jets made back to back championship games and lost both. The team realized that in order to get to the next level their QB had to carry more of the load. As they asked the QB to do more he shat the bed.

He sucked then, he just sucks more now.

DBAKE · 12-18-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

He didn't take us to the play offs. Our defense did.

The explanation is this:

1. He came into the league and he sucked.

2. He doesn't care or have any passion for winning.

3. As a result of point #2, continued to suck even more.

Looking forward to the day I never even have to hear the name Sanchez mentioned ever again.

1000% accurate.

rainman · 12-18-2012, 08:09 PM

he was very good for the first 10 or so games of 2010. it's not fair to say he has always sucked.

Manchez · 12-18-2012, 08:09 PM

Extremely raw talent handed over to clueless idiots to "mold" him into an NFL QB...

Offensive skill positions changed over every year with diminishing talent

Dumb OC replaced with Dumber OC

HC who doesn't know or care anything about offense

Running game declines every year

Absolutely no WR talent or TE talent this year

QB absolutely loses all confidence due to circumstances above, or maybe never had the talent to be good anyway. No one really knows with any degree of certainty, but taken into account all the problems above sure aren't conducive to grooming a young raw QB with limited college experience....

parafly · 12-18-2012, 08:13 PM

His overall level of play has definitely regressed, but this is a normal phenomenon for quarterbacks in the NFL.

The fact is he was never all that good. He had a few good performances at opportune times that inflated his status among many Jets fans. He made a few key signature plays while riding on the coattails of an elite running game and defense, but overall, his career has been mired by inconsistency, inaccuracy, poor ball security, and a general lack of awareness since the very beginning.

estang74 · 12-18-2012, 08:13 PM

The color card thing really destroyed his confidence and that was the beginning of the end.

Led Halen · 12-18-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

He didn't take us to the play offs. Our defense did.

The explanation is this:

1. He came into the league and he sucked.

2. He doesn't care or have any passion for winning.

3. As a result of point #2, continued to suck even more.

Looking forward to the day I never even have to hear the name Sanchez mentioned ever again.

I guess you must know him personally or spend alot of time at the Jets training facility to make such a statement and pawn it off as fact.

Sanchez 3:16 · 12-18-2012, 08:15 PM

say what you want about the guy skill-wise, there's plenty to be said. but saying he doesn't care about winning is pure speculative, subjective BS.

edit- ^^What Led Halen said.

Zarathustra · 12-18-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Led Halen

I guess you must know him personally or spend alot of time at the Jets training facility to make such a statement and pawn it off as fact.

It is fact. You seriously think Mark Sanchez has a fire in his belly for the game of football? You know what that looks like?

Ray Lewis has a passion for football. That's what a fire in the belly looks like.
Tom Brady has a passion for football. That's what a fire in the belly looks like.

If Mark Sanchez was a senator he would vote "Present." That's the kinda' dude Mark Sanchez is. The man is collecting pay checks. He doesn't want to put in the work.

Maybe he did have "raw talent." I definitely won't say that because I didn't see anything unique out of him that I haven't at one time, for one play, seen out of any other run-of-the-mill NFL quarterback, but "raw talent" without work ethic means jack ****.

Mark Sanchez is a loser in the NFL because he didn't have the heart or the discipline or the passion to be a winner, and if you're not a winner, you're a loser.

A loser like Mark Sanchez.

southparkcpa · 12-18-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16

say what you want about the guy skill-wise, there's plenty to be said. but saying he doesn't care about winning is pure speculative, subjective BS.

edit- ^^What Led Halen said.

I keep thinking about the hot dog incident and his attitude......

Greentide · 12-18-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Manchez

Extremely raw talent handed over to clueless idiots to "mold" him into an NFL QB...

Offensive skill positions changed over every year with diminishing talent

Dumb OC replaced with Dumber OC

HC who doesn't know or care anything about offense

Running game declines every year

Absolutely no WR talent or TE talent this year

QB absolutely loses all confidence due to circumstances above, or maybe never had the talent to be good anyway. No one really knows with any degree of certainty, but taken into account all the problems above sure aren't conducive to grooming a young raw QB with limited college experience....

While some of the above may be true, 2 traits Mark has never shown are accuracy in passing and leadership, which happen to be the 2 most important qualities to possess for a QB. That's basically it in a nutshell.

IHATEDOLPHINS · 12-18-2012, 08:34 PM

I still say this all stems from that Ravens game last year where he got hammered all night.Those were vicious shots he took all night.To me he hasn't been the same since.

SAR I · 12-18-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rmeyer52

How does a QB go from taking the team to the playoffs to looking completely lost and making mistakes that even rookies wouldn't make ? Is the curse still with this team ?

He has no weapons and an inept offensive coordinator.

I could type another thousand words, but that pretty much sums it up.

SAR I

SAR I · 12-18-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Manchez

Extremely raw talent handed over to clueless idiots to "mold" him into an NFL QB...

Offensive skill positions changed over every year with diminishing talent

Dumb OC replaced with Dumber OC

HC who doesn't know or care anything about offense

Running game declines every year

Absolutely no WR talent or TE talent this year

QB absolutely loses all confidence due to circumstances above, or maybe never had the talent to be good anyway. No one really knows with any degree of certainty, but taken into account all the problems above sure aren't conducive to grooming a young raw QB with limited college experience....

+1

The Jets ruined this kid.

SAR I

southparkcpa · 12-18-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SAR I

He has no weapons and an inept offensive coordinator.

I could type another thousand words, but that pretty much sums it up.

SAR I

perhaps....but he has

NO HEART
NO COMPETITIVE SPIRIT
NO TRUE WORK ETHIC

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 12-18-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SAR I

He has no weapons and an inept offensive coordinator.

I could type another thousand words, but that pretty much sums it up.

SAR I

This plus the fact that the jets have done zero for this kids confidence. It's sad to see this decline.

Edgy · 12-18-2012, 08:41 PM

He started double-thinking his decisions, because he realized how fragile it all is.

His first two seasons, he didn't know enough to be afraid. Now he's got that 3/4 of a second delay, that telegraphs what he's doing and takes the killer instinct out. That's why the Tebow rotation in is so bad for him too, because he loses that confidence every time it happens.

Now, a pro football player should be able to rotate in and out - but the difference between a QB and any other player on the field is that the QB must be decisive, confident, and fearless on EVERY play or he's screwed.

Mark lost his confidence. And his play suffered because of it. (not that it was so amazing before...)

12-18-2012, 07:55 PM	#1
rmeyer52 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California Posts: 2,709	Can someone please explain the decline of Sanchez? How does a QB go from taking the team to the playoffs to looking completely lost and making mistakes that even rookies wouldn't make ? Is the curse still with this team ?

12-18-2012, 07:57 PM	#2
Zarathustra Sanchez, Tebow, Geno Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 160	He didn't take us to the play offs. Our defense did. The explanation is this: 1. He came into the league and he sucked. 2. He doesn't care or have any passion for winning. 3. As a result of point #2, continued to suck even more. Looking forward to the day I never even have to hear the name Sanchez mentioned ever again.

12-18-2012, 08:09 PM	#6
rainman Practice Squad Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 378	he was very good for the first 10 or so games of 2010. it's not fair to say he has always sucked.

12-18-2012, 08:09 PM	#7
Manchez 1st and 10, Greene smashes into Mangold's back... GO Sporano!!!! Veteran Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 283	Extremely raw talent handed over to clueless idiots to "mold" him into an NFL QB... Offensive skill positions changed over every year with diminishing talent Dumb OC replaced with Dumber OC HC who doesn't know or care anything about offense Running game declines every year Absolutely no WR talent or TE talent this year QB absolutely loses all confidence due to circumstances above, or maybe never had the talent to be good anyway. No one really knows with any degree of certainty, but taken into account all the problems above sure aren't conducive to grooming a young raw QB with limited college experience....

12-18-2012, 08:13 PM	#8
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,301	His overall level of play has definitely regressed, but this is a normal phenomenon for quarterbacks in the NFL. The fact is he was never all that good. He had a few good performances at opportune times that inflated his status among many Jets fans. He made a few key signature plays while riding on the coattails of an elite running game and defense, but overall, his career has been mired by inconsistency, inaccuracy, poor ball security, and a general lack of awareness since the very beginning.

12-18-2012, 08:13 PM	#9
estang74 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 682	The color card thing really destroyed his confidence and that was the beginning of the end.

12-18-2012, 08:15 PM	#11
Sanchez 3:16 McElroy 3:16? Rookie Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 762	say what you want about the guy skill-wise, there's plenty to be said. but saying he doesn't care about winning is pure speculative, subjective BS. edit- ^^What Led Halen said.

12-18-2012, 08:34 PM	#15
IHATEDOLPHINS growing tired of rex ryan All League Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,028	I still say this all stems from that Ravens game last year where he got hammered all night.Those were vicious shots he took all night.To me he hasn't been the same since.

12-18-2012, 08:41 PM	#20
Edgy Rookie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 660	He started double-thinking his decisions, because he realized how fragile it all is. His first two seasons, he didn't know enough to be afraid. Now he's got that 3/4 of a second delay, that telegraphs what he's doing and takes the killer instinct out. That's why the Tebow rotation in is so bad for him too, because he loses that confidence every time it happens. Now, a pro football player should be able to rotate in and out - but the difference between a QB and any other player on the field is that the QB must be decisive, confident, and fearless on EVERY play or he's screwed. Mark lost his confidence. And his play suffered because of it. (not that it was so amazing before...)