Revisiting Gun Laws in the U.S.

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by gunnails

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Serious?

Sure.

If his greatest fear was NOT dying why would he fear a person capable of DEADLY force?


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[stanner]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

So. If he didnt want to get shot and survive, how would having armed people at the school stop him?


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He wouldn't do it, or he'd have been shot.

This isn't my theory, it's been presented that these guys hit a soft target, and when opposition shows up, they make sure their plan comes to fruition and end it.

I haven't heard if this guy had more ammo or not. If he did, you could infer that he wasn't done. I did hear that the cops showed up, they saw him run around the corner, and he killed himself.

[stanner]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

If surviving was his greatest fear, would having someone armed with non lethal weapons be a greater deterrent?


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Maybe? I don't want to be the guy that brings a taser to a gun fight, though.

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by stanner

Maybe? I don't want to be the guy that brings a taser to a gun fight, though.

Radar is more useful than bigger guns.

Motion lights are better are protecting against burglaries than a shotgun.

You get it


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[PlumberKhan]

Proactive. Not reactive.


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[stanner]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

Radar is more useful than bigger guns.

Motion lights are better are protecting against burglaries than a shotgun.

You get it


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I can honestly say I don't.

Like I said before; no biggie.

[gunnails]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

Sure.

If his greatest fear was NOT dying why would he fear a person capable of DEADLY force?


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I see your point now, your saying non lethal deterrents could be more effective then lethal because the crazy guy wants to die and not be captured.

[gunnails]

Armed guards are better at preventing robberies then motion lights.

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by gunnails

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I see your point now, your saying non lethal deterrents could be more effective then lethal because the crazy guy wants to die and not be captured.

Exactly.


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[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by gunnails

Armed guards are better at preventing robberies then motion lights.

I figured as much. Hence the reason most municipalities eliminate street lights during budget cuts.


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[PatriotReign]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-...-he-was-armed/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-...th-one-bullet/

[gunnails]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

I figured as much. Hence the reason most municipalities eliminate street lights during budget cuts.


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Ha ha, touche!

[BushyTheBeaver]

Originally Posted by PatriotReign

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-...-he-was-armed/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-...th-one-bullet/

But here's the problem with trying to justify an argument using anecdotal evidence.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1208337

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1223270

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/child...ith-gun/nJkY2/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82R1KH20120328

[gunnails]

Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver

But here's the problem with trying to justify an argument using anecdotal evidence.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1208337

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1223270

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/child...ith-gun/nJkY2/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82R1KH20120328

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Sad stories to be sure.

[intelligentjetsfan]

NRA calls for armed police officer in every school

WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer "waiting in the wings."

The National Rifle Association broke its silence on last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.

LaPierre said "the next Adam Lanza," the man responsible for last week's mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.

"How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark," LaPierre said. "A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?"

He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out. "In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes," LaPierre said.

He refused to take any questions after speaking. Though security was tight, two protesters were able to interrupt LaPierre's speech, holding up signs that blamed the NRA for killing children. Both were escorted out, shouting that guns in schools are not the answer.

LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.

The 4.3 million-member NRA largely disappeared from public debate after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., choosing atypical silence as a strategy as the nation sought answers after the rampage. The NRA temporarily took down its Facebook page and kept quiet on Twitter.

Since the slayings, President Barack Obama has demanded "real action, right now" against U.S. gun violence and called on the NRA to join the effort. Moving quickly after several congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider new legislation to control firearms, the president said this week he wants proposals to reduce gun violence that he can take to Congress by January.

Obama has already asked Congress to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and pass legislation that would stop people from purchasing firearms from private sellers without a background check. Obama also has indicated he wants Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity magazines.

http://news.yahoo.com/nra-calls-arme...162851713.html

[Bonhomme Richard]

A conversation on this has already been started in the "shooting" thread, but I think this news does warrant it's own thread. For the sake of steering this conversation over here, here's my response:

That NRA press conference was hugely dissapointing. At a time when they could have led the conversation, they chose to dig their heels in their own alternate reality. With LaPierre citing video games and movies made twenty years ago, he sounded like a curmudgeonly grandfather, or the Drunk Uncle SNL character. He did nothing but enforce the opinion that his organization is painfully out of touch with society.

And that's a shame, because I am a supporter of gun rights and the Second Amendment. The "policies" that LaPierre put forth are embarrassingly short-sighted, and probably not even possible -- practically or fiscally. It's amazing to think that this is the best they came up with after a week of media blackout.

The NRA jumped the shark today.

Edit - on second thought, I'm going to merge this with the gun laws thread.

[DeanPatsFan]

Originally Posted by chiefst2000

In NYC handguns are all but banned yet somehow criminals always have access. If someone comes to your house like those criminals did to that doctor in Connecticut, and you don't have a home defense weapon, you would be wishing you did. I think everyone should own a shotgun for self defense.

+1000

[intelligentjetsfan]

I love how LaPierre refused to answer questions because God forbid he was forced to add substance to his "plan".

[chiefst2000]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

I love how LaPierre refused to answer questions because God forbid he was forced to add substance to his "plan".

His plan is no more or less stupid and unrealistic as the leftists calling for bans on certain types of weapons. How does banning weapons that look like military assault rifles (actual assault weapons have been banned since the 1920's) stop these types of tragedies from occurring. Handguns are much more dangerous than rifles. You can keep a handgun concealed. You can conceal a number of hand guns. They have clips that can hold 20 rounds.

The whole concept of banning certain types of weapons has no basis in preventing future tragedies. How do I know? Because the Brady Bill assault weapon ban is already in effect in CT. It didn't do anything to prevent the shooting at that school.

An armed guard at the school may have actually helped. Gun safety training might have helped the mother not be such an irresponsible moron by keeping her guns accessable to a troubled youth. A working mental health system might have caught up to that kid before he snapped. Those people that think banning certain types of weapons or clips would help the situation are not serious about a solution. Seems to me they are taking advantage of a tragedy to push a political agenda.

[PlumberKhan]

I didn't watch.

Were sharks with lasers part of his Shield Plan?