Jets should go all in on Sean Payton

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by parafly

if Woody goes all in, he may just get convinced.

Please define, specificly, what "all in" means.

[parafly]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Please define, specificly, what "all in" means.

Full control assembling a staff/roster and make him the highest paid HC in NFL history.

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by Warfish

How many Coaches in NFL History have won two Super Bowls with two different NFL Franchises?

Now if you had said Championships I could have said Weeb Ewbank..

[sg3]

Originally Posted by Savage69

Now if you had said Championships I could have said Weeb Ewbank..

BINGO -- WE HAVE A WINNER

[rextilleon]

Originally Posted by wepnx

He had a QB Rex didn't. I'm not sure he is is that much better if at all than Rex. He still has to answer for the bounty gate though. The NY media would have a field day on the Jets once again.

Let me remind you that Sanchez was REX'S BOY.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by parafly

Full control assembling a staff/roster and make him the highest paid HC in NFL history.

The stench of desperation is just sad.

We're 6-10, our first losing year in a while.

We're not on our 15th consecutive 1-15 season.

These unrealistic, laughably impossible sceanarios, like SAR's "Give Bellichek 10% of Ownership" are just sad.

If Rex is fired, we'll find someone, and it won't cost us full control (which rarely works) or 10% of ownership (Lol) or making them the Highest Coach in NFL history.

[revischrist]

Originally Posted by Warfish

So Sean Paytons past performence does not guarantee future results?

Can we take into account that he's had an elite QB in his one season of large success, an asset we currently do not and have not possessed.

Are you on the SAR "give them 10% of ownership" aquisition-plan too?

This. I am a big Yankee fan and I know that Torre is not a great manager, he just inherited great teams. Payton didn't make Brees great. Its more the other way around.

I am not even sure Bill Bellichik will ever win a super bowl without Brady. Bellichick has coached 6 years without Brady and never won a playoff game.

I hate saying this but a guy like Coughlin has won in multiple places and without an all-world QB (Brunell and Elli are not all time greats) I rather have a guy like Coughlin than Payton/Bellichick.

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by revischrist

This. I am a big Yankee fan and I know that Torre is not a great manager, he just inherited great teams. Payton didn't make Brees great. Its more the other way around.

I am not even sure Bill Bellichik will ever win a super bowl without Brady. Bellichick has coached 6 years without Brady and never won a playoff game.

I hate saying this but a guy like Coughlin has won in multiple places and without an all-world QB (Brunell and Elli are not all time greats) I rather have a guy like Coughlin than Payton/Bellichick.

You should never hate saying the truth.. George Seifert was a Super Bowl winning coach as long as he had Montana or Steve Young as his QB.. When he went to the Panthers he was 16-32 in 3 years and was fired..

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by Warfish

The stench of desperation is just sad.

We're 6-10, our first losing year in a while.We're not on our 15th consecutive 1-15 season.

These unrealistic, laughably impossible sceanarios, like SAR's "Give Bellichek 10% of Ownership" are just sad.

If Rex is fired, we'll find someone, and it won't cost us full control (which rarely works) or 10% of ownership (Lol) or making them the Highest Coach in NFL history.

So I should bet the Bills heavy on Sunday??

[w0mbat]

Originally Posted by Sanchise

Bree's was never elite until he linked up with Payton in NO. You can argue it either way. There is no denying Payton is a great offensive mind and a great head coach..but there's no chance he's coming here so it's irelevent.

Might want to look up his 2004 stats in San Diego.

[parafly]

Originally Posted by Warfish

The stench of desperation is just sad.

It's not desperation, it's an attempt to end the perpetual cycle of mediocrity engulfing this team. If you don't believe that the team needs a complete rebuild and a new vision, then we'll have to fundamentally agree to disagree.

Hire Payton, draft a new quarterback(s), and we'll be well on our way toward being a contender for the next decade. This team needs a fresh start with a philosophy and strategy that's built for success in today's NFL.

You can keep repeating that it's unrealistic, but it comes down to Woody's pocketbook and his skills as a businessman. It's something he should pursue heavily. The unrealistic plan is keeping Rex, continuing with the status quo, and expecting different results.

The opportunity to snatch up a proven coach of Sean Payton's caliber does not come around very often. The chances of landing him are pretty slim, but the Jets should do everything in their power to make it happen.

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Sanchez would literally have 100+ turnovers with a coach that wants to throw!!

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Might want to look up his 2004 stats in San Diego.

In case some are too lazy Bree's had a 65.5% completion rate with 27 tds and 7 picks and the Chargers were 12-4 in 04..

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by parafly

If you don't believe that the team needs a complete rebuild and a new vision, then we'll have to fundamentally agree to disagree.

Agreed (to disagree).

You make it sound like we're on our 10th year of 1-win seasons. All I can say to such hysteria is "lol".

Hire Payton, draft a new quarterback(s), and we'll be well on our way toward being a contender for the next decade.

Right, cause it's so easy, a Caveman can do it.

If only, if only.

You can keep repeating that it's unrealistic, but it comes down to Woody's pocketbook and his skills as a businessman. It's something he should pursue heavily

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I repeat that it's unrelaistic....because it is. No owner is going to make Payton the highest paid Coach in the NFL. No owner is going to tamper and steal Bellichek for 10% of ownership. And no NFL owner is going to hire 132 year old Tuna as their Coach or GM now.

Real world solutions to real world problems.

The chances of landing him are pretty slim, but the Jets should do everything in their power to make it happen.

And when they can't or won't, or can't or won't steal Bellichek, or hire the Tuna.....

...Hates Gonna hate.



I'll welcome you back with open arms whenever you decide to come back to the real world my old friend.

[parafly]

Originally Posted by Warfish

I'll welcome you back with open arms whenever you decide to come back to the real world my old friend.

I'm not going anywhere.

I'm simply stating my opinion and sharing my strategy of moving this team forward. If the hire does not happen, then at least we tried. There are other satisfactory options out there as well.

The last thing I want to see is Rex and Sanchez both on the Jets next year. It's a worse case scenario with almost zero chance of success.

[Eckesg1]

Doesn't matter now. It appears the Saints and Peyton agreed to a 5 year extension. Just flashed on ESPN

[DDNYjets]

According to Glazer, Payton just agreed to a contract extension with the Saints.

Put this one to bed.

[boxman]

We didn't go in enough.

[C Mart]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Sean Payton's agreement with the Saints is for five years.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by boxman

We didn't go in enough.

Right. Probably just the tip.....