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Dreamers · 12-30-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Jets need a blocking tight end. Keller can probably be had on the cheap for a 1 year deal which is fine - let him earn his next contract wearing a Jet uniform.

We need a blocking TE and RB. We looked so much better after getting a better blocking FB. This team seems to not value the fact that other positions outside of the OL can pick up a blitz. We can not go anther year with Cumby and Keller in 2 TE sets.

Beerfish · 12-30-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamers

We need a blocking TE and RB. We looked so much better after getting a better blocking FB. This team seems to not value the fact that other positions outside of the OL can pick up a blitz. We can not go anther year with Cumby and Keller in 2 TE sets.

I agree 100%. Why they didn't go and get a blocking TE last off season when they knew what kind of offense they were going to run is yet just another nail in the coffin of the front office.

detjetsfan · 12-30-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamers

We need a blocking TE and RB. We looked so much better after getting a better blocking FB. This team seems to not value the fact that other positions outside of the OL can pick up a blitz. We can not go anther year with Cumby and Keller in 2 TE sets.

Agree on most of your points. Tanny was negligent and basically mailed it in with acquiring offensive players after he did the Tebow garbage. I would like to see the Jets sign Peyton Hillis to play FB. Blocking TEs are a dime a dozen don't know why Tanny never bothered to get one this year.

Keller is a good receiving TE when healthy. Problem was he never was this year. I think he'll be healthy next year and looking to pad his stats and get a contract. Landry was in an identical situation prior to this season and it worked out great.

detjetsfan · 12-30-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

I agree 100%. Why they didn't go and get a blocking TE last off season when they knew what kind of offense they were going to run is yet just another nail in the coffin of the front office.

Tanny thought our offense was on Tim Tebow away from being dominant. I'm not even kidding.

JaxSuzy · 12-30-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Tanny thought our offense was on Tim Tebow away from being dominant. I'm not even kidding.

Well, you know I love me some Tebow, and would've liked to see him start at least one game, protecting the ball, opening up the rush and making some great passes to keep the D honest but ......

----- I don't think Tebow can walk on water or quicksand. O needs revamping.

LanceMehl · 12-30-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ROPE

Ferguson and Mangold are as good as it gets at their positions. Need to upgrade the other spots INCLUDING TIGHT END. I think Keller stinks.

Those guys have been overrated. Mangold for this year and Brick for his career.

JaxSuzy · 12-30-2012, 11:04 PM

Can Brandon Moore's a$$ play defense too?

Dreamers · 12-30-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LanceMehl

Those guys have been overrated. Mangold for this year and Brick for his career.

Mangold is a top 3 C in the game and DBrick just had an all time great year. He is a solid LT. Nothing overrated about him.

Shark99 · 12-31-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamers

Mangold is a top 3 C in the game and DBrick just had an all time great year. He is a solid LT. Nothing overrated about him.

Mangold is the heart and soul of this team. We clearly saw what happened last year when he didn't play and Turner was gone or hurt.

Shark99 · 12-31-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Big L

It all starts in the trenches.

Agreed simple but so true. We all remember Brady sitting back there the year they won he could have grilled up a burgers b/4 he was hit.

The object of the game is protect your QB and sack the other team's Qb we do neither well!!!

revischrist · 12-31-2012, 09:38 AM

The Jets COULD upgrade the O-line but its far from urgent. The O-line was not that bad this year. When your QB is awful it makes it tough for the Oline to run block (the defense stacks the box), yet the Jets running game was pretty solid.

Its also tough on the Oline to pass block when the WR's lack talent and never get open leaving the QB to hold on to the ball forever.

I'm always ok with drafting talented OL and DL, because you can never have enough talent at those positions, but I'm not reaching to take an OL if there is a significantly better player available at WR, LB, RB, WR. Unfortunately, there aren't any great RBs, WR's or QBs in this draft, so by default we will likely end up with OL/LB help with the 9th pick.

James Hasty · 12-31-2012, 09:50 AM

Funny how Rex and Herm both started losing when they neglected the OL.

I would use the draft to get at least one guard and one tackle. Womack would look nice in Jets green.

That way our QB and RB drafted in 2014 have protection and holes to run through.

JETFAN1 · 12-31-2012, 10:37 AM

I wouldn't say it isn't important to the Jets but not many on here are posting about it either. The OL is below average and I don't see a bright future either. I have no idea who the upcoming FA's are but the Jets need to at least get a couple of "hold the fort" guys for short term respectability.

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Drunk Namath · 12-31-2012, 11:00 AM

I'm all for Warmack if he's available... My only gripe would be, is he truly worth that early a pick or are you guys talking about further down in the draft? I'm honestly not sure. If someone could shed some light, it would be appreciated.

The way alot of scouts are talking, he's pretty much a "can't miss" at the position.. Add him to the D'Brick/Mangold tandem, I think we'd have a nice wall in 2-3 years. He'd definitely boost our run game to his side.

Shark99 · 12-31-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JETFAN1

I wouldn't say it isn't important to the Jets but not many on here are posting about it either. The OL is below average and I don't see a bright future either. I have no idea who the upcoming FA's are but the Jets need to at least get a couple of "hold the fort" guys for short term respectability.

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We def need a guard & tackle preferably draft them.

Importance of OL can't be understated

JETFAN1 · 12-31-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark99

We def need a guard & tackle preferably draft them.

Importance of OL can't be understated

Personally I rather the Jets get a couple of solid veterans through FA if there are any instead of the draft if they want to be respectable next season. The OL play has contributed to the offensive debacle as much as Sanchez.

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sameoldjets · 12-31-2012, 01:20 PM

no mystery here. it all starts up front. get the oline straightened out and even sanchez could look good. the jets need to get the right side rebuilt. they need a te who can block and make some good catches.

crasherino · 12-31-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by revischrist

The Jets COULD upgrade the O-line but its far from urgent. The O-line was not that bad this year. When your QB is awful it makes it tough for the Oline to run block (the defense stacks the box), yet the Jets running game was pretty solid.

Its also tough on the Oline to pass block when the WR's lack talent and never get open leaving the QB to hold on to the ball forever.

I'm always ok with drafting talented OL and DL, because you can never have enough talent at those positions, but I'm not reaching to take an OL if there is a significantly better player available at WR, LB, RB, WR. Unfortunately, there aren't any great RBs, WR's or QBs in this draft, so by default we will likely end up with OL/LB help with the 9th pick.

That's probably true and I'm totally OK with that. If we can find a legit pass rusher, by all means - that's one of our biggest issues. But, IMO RT is a big need as well. I don't think people fully appreciate what Woody meant to our running game. He was a true road grader and a more then competent pass protector as well. Howard has been better than Hunter, but is probably more suited to be a swing tackle in reserve. If he can play Guard (he may have in Philly, can't remember) even better.

If Justin Blackmon or Trent Richardson were available this year, I'd go with them for sure. They aren't, unfortunately.

Shark99 · 12-31-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JETFAN1

Personally I rather the Jets get a couple of solid veterans through FA if there are any instead of the draft if they want to be respectable next season. The OL play has contributed to the offensive debacle as much as Sanchez.

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What free agents are available?

Mainejet · 12-31-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark99

We haven't been a dominant OL since Faneca. We repeatedly gave Hunter opportunities, had no depth and didn't draft any/1 in earlier rounds or sign a legitimate free agent.

Sanchez was bad, but ran for his life. Sackelroy was killed sacked 11 times.

Our line has been bad for years and is a major issue. Sparano was a former OL coach and our line was pathetic! Moore & Slauson out? Cut Ducasse he's horrible...

I agree with this and most people just don't want to hear it. Losing Faneca and Woody really cost this team in a big way.

It's another good reason why Tanny should have been fired IMO. He never learned from his mistakes. He f*cked with Pete Kendall and replaced him with Adrien Clarke of all people. That caused us to go 4-12 in 2007. That was truly insulting to all of us fans that he would be such a cheap pr*ck over chump change.

Then, of course he cut Faneca and never replaced Woody after he retired. He drafted Ducasse, but the guy is a total bust.

12-30-2012, 11:04 PM	#27
JaxSuzy WTF is going on up there?!? Rookie Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 547	Can Brandon Moore's a$$ play defense too?

12-31-2012, 09:38 AM	#31
revischrist Dee Best! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,741	The Jets COULD upgrade the O-line but its far from urgent. The O-line was not that bad this year. When your QB is awful it makes it tough for the Oline to run block (the defense stacks the box), yet the Jets running game was pretty solid. Its also tough on the Oline to pass block when the WR's lack talent and never get open leaving the QB to hold on to the ball forever. I'm always ok with drafting talented OL and DL, because you can never have enough talent at those positions, but I'm not reaching to take an OL if there is a significantly better player available at WR, LB, RB, WR. Unfortunately, there aren't any great RBs, WR's or QBs in this draft, so by default we will likely end up with OL/LB help with the 9th pick.

12-31-2012, 09:50 AM	#32
James Hasty All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,541	Funny how Rex and Herm both started losing when they neglected the OL. I would use the draft to get at least one guard and one tackle. Womack would look nice in Jets green. That way our QB and RB drafted in 2014 have protection and holes to run through.

12-31-2012, 10:37 AM	#33
JETFAN1 Bored Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,782	I wouldn't say it isn't important to the Jets but not many on here are posting about it either. The OL is below average and I don't see a bright future either. I have no idea who the upcoming FA's are but the Jets need to at least get a couple of "hold the fort" guys for short term respectability. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

12-31-2012, 11:00 AM	#34
Drunk Namath "...I couldn't care less about the team struggling.." Waterboy Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19	I'm all for Warmack if he's available... My only gripe would be, is he truly worth that early a pick or are you guys talking about further down in the draft? I'm honestly not sure. If someone could shed some light, it would be appreciated. The way alot of scouts are talking, he's pretty much a "can't miss" at the position.. Add him to the D'Brick/Mangold tandem, I think we'd have a nice wall in 2-3 years. He'd definitely boost our run game to his side.

12-31-2012, 01:20 PM	#37
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,483	no mystery here. it all starts up front. get the oline straightened out and even sanchez could look good. the jets need to get the right side rebuilt. they need a te who can block and make some good catches.