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Jetdawgg · 01-01-2013, 07:19 PM

Even if the NY Jets make the Playoffs next year, they will not win the SB.

It is the RINGS that determine proficiency in the NFL

Choon328 · 01-01-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

Even if the NY Jets make the Playoffs next year, they will not win the SB.

It is the RINGS that determine proficiency in the NFL

So you're saying that since 2000 it has been just as good to be a Bills fan as it has to be an Eagles fan? Eagles have 8 winning seasons to the Bills 1 in that time frame but b/c the Eagles didn't win a Super Bowl that means the Bills and Eagles are similar in franchise proficiency?

Jetdawgg · 01-01-2013, 07:34 PM

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So you're saying that since 2000 it has been just as good to be a Bills fan as it has to be an Eagles fan? Eagles have 8 winning seasons to the Bills 1 in that time frame but b/c the Eagles didn't win a Super Bowl that means the Bills and Eagles are similar in franchise proficiency?

Reid FIRED- NO RING

Choon328 · 01-01-2013, 07:54 PM

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Reid FIRED- NO RING

Ummm what does that have to do with how good a franchise has been or what team has been better to root for over the past dozen years? Basically what you said is that the only thing that matters is a ring inferring that if you don't win then you are no better then any of the other teams that didn't win a ring that year. So I asked whether you thought being a Bills fan the past 12 seasons has been just as good as being an Eagles fan. And your response was to say that Andy Reid got fired? Makes no sense. And btw Andy Reid got 14 years to win a SB, not 4.

patman · 01-01-2013, 07:59 PM

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No, I'm talking about adding 6 years after the 2013 season b/c Revis will agree to waive those years in order to get a new contract starting in 2014, so the extension is from 2014-2019. So the only difference in his 2013 contract would be the signing bonus that gets spread out from 2013-2019. Even though the signing bonus is for 2014 and beyond, it still gets spread out starting in 2013. So that would be $30 million over 7 years. $4.28 million per year. His 2013 contract does not get touched. He still would have a base salary of $3 million, pro-rated bonus of $3 million from his last contract and $3 million of additional bonuses that he is scheduled to receive in 2013. Then add the $4.28 million portion of his new contracts bonus. So his contract for 2013 would cost $4.28 million more then it is now but with the savings on Cromartie's contract it's a wash.

He can waive those years, no problem with that. but you still have to account for the 18 mill in SB that he got in 2011 that is allocated 3mill a year. That 3mill for each year to 2016 has to be added. to any new amortization.

Dimitri_0515 · 01-01-2013, 07:59 PM

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Not to rain on your parade here, but it just doesn't make sense to keep them both. Not with the rest of the team so depleted.

I don't know where I stand on this. It's an extremely tough decision. Keep the best tandem in the NFL or break them apart to fill other holes. I mean it would depend what the Jets could get for either player. If they could get a 1st for Cromartie I would say absolutely. If they would trade Revis for a 1st and more picks I would also say absolutely.

It's a very very difficult decision though imo.

Jetdawgg · 01-01-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Choon328

Ummm what does that have to do with how good a franchise has been or what team has been better to root for over the past dozen years? Basically what you said is that the only thing that matters is a ring inferring that if you don't win then you are no better then any of the other teams that didn't win a ring that year. So I asked whether you thought being a Bills fan the past 12 seasons has been just as good as being an Eagles fan. And your response was to say that Andy Reid got fired? Makes no sense. And btw Andy Reid got 14 years to win a SB, not 4.

I bet Andy wanted a RING in PHI. I bet that the fans in PHI wanted him to get a RING too.

NO RING = NO JOB

If you could listen to Philly radio, there are reports stating that Reid was here two years too long at least.

When an NFL team does not win the SB, they fall into the 'Rest of the Pack' category. Like it or not most people only remember who won the SB. Not who lost the AFCCG

Choon328 · 01-01-2013, 08:33 PM

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He can waive those years, no problem with that. but you still have to account for the 18 mill in SB that he got in 2011 that is allocated 3mill a year. That 3mill for each year to 2016 has to be added. to any new amortization.

I did.

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He still would have a base salary of $3 million, pro-rated bonus of $3 million from his last contract and $3 million of additional bonuses that he is scheduled to receive in 2013. Then add the $4.28 million portion of his new contracts bonus.

That's where I'm accounting for his portion of the signing bonus he got in 2011. That's straight from Jason's site. Believe me, what I said was right lol.

Choon328 · 01-01-2013, 08:41 PM

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I bet Andy wanted a RING in PHI. I bet that the fans in PHI wanted him to get a RING too.

NO RING = NO JOB

If you could listen to Philly radio, there are reports stating that Reid was here two years too long at least.

When an NFL team does not win the SB, they fall into the 'Rest of the Pack' category. Like it or not most people only remember who won the SB. Not who lost the AFCCG

Again, that's not the point. Answer this, over the last 12 years would you rather have been a Bills fan or Eagles fan? If you were an Eagles fan do you think the Eagles have been more successful then the Bills and vice versa if you were a Bills fan if you could would you trade your last 12 years history with the Eagles last 12 years worth of history would you? I think they would say yes on both accounts. Especially since I know a good amount of Bills fans, most of whom were jealous of us getting to two straight Championship games, even though we lost. It's not black & white, it's not Super Bowl or bust. The Jets aren't the Yankees.

patman · 01-01-2013, 08:56 PM

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I did.

That's where I'm accounting for his portion of the signing bonus he got in 2011. That's straight from Jason's site. Believe me, what I said was right lol.

Sorry reading comprehension issue. I read it that the 4.28 was the cap hit, now I understand that you add it to the 9 mill he is already on the cap for so the new hit will he 13.28 mill in 2013.

cant wait · 01-01-2013, 08:57 PM

I'm on board with this strategy. CB1 and CB2 are turning into premium positions in a passing league, good corners are harder to come by than people think. somebody in another thread brought up the idea of moving wilson to FS which I think could be a prudent move. the jets do have berry signed for next season and I think lankster/trufant are capable nickle and dime backs

Choon328 · 01-01-2013, 09:44 PM

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Sorry reading comprehension issue. I read it that the 4.28 was the cap hit, now I understand that you add it to the 9 mill he is already on the cap for so the new hit will he 13.28 mill in 2013.

Exactly. No problem.

Jetdawgg · 01-01-2013, 09:48 PM

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Again, that's not the point. Answer this, over the last 12 years would you rather have been a Bills fan or Eagles fan? If you were an Eagles fan do you think the Eagles have been more successful then the Bills and vice versa if you were a Bills fan if you could would you trade your last 12 years history with the Eagles last 12 years worth of history would you? I think they would say yes on both accounts. Especially since I know a good amount of Bills fans, most of whom were jealous of us getting to two straight Championship games, even though we lost. It's not black & white, it's not Super Bowl or bust. The Jets aren't the Yankees.

That may be how non SB winners think. SB winners think differently

Jason423 · 01-01-2013, 10:21 PM

Remember that prorating money can only happen over 5 years regardless of the length of the deal. So prorating 30 million in 2013 is going to cost 6 million a year from 2013-2017 and 0 dollars in 2018 and 2019. This is why almost every new contract does not extend beyond 5 years right now. Id be surprised if Revis would sign for 12 million a year even after injury.

Choon328 · 01-01-2013, 10:51 PM

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Remember that prorating money can only happen over 5 years regardless of the length of the deal. So prorating 30 million in 2013 is going to cost 6 million a year from 2013-2017 and 0 dollars in 2018 and 2019. This is why almost every new contract does not extend beyond 5 years right now. Id be surprised if Revis would sign for 12 million a year even after injury.

Thanks, I didn't know that. It's good to know.

01-01-2013, 07:19 PM	#21
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	Even if the NY Jets make the Playoffs next year, they will not win the SB. It is the RINGS that determine proficiency in the NFL

01-01-2013, 08:57 PM	#31
cant wait to silence the non-believers Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,979	I'm on board with this strategy. CB1 and CB2 are turning into premium positions in a passing league, good corners are harder to come by than people think. somebody in another thread brought up the idea of moving wilson to FS which I think could be a prudent move. the jets do have berry signed for next season and I think lankster/trufant are capable nickle and dime backs

01-01-2013, 10:21 PM	#34
Jason423 All Pro Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 9,671	Remember that prorating money can only happen over 5 years regardless of the length of the deal. So prorating 30 million in 2013 is going to cost 6 million a year from 2013-2017 and 0 dollars in 2018 and 2019. This is why almost every new contract does not extend beyond 5 years right now. Id be surprised if Revis would sign for 12 million a year even after injury.