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Beerfish · 01-02-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

4-3 DE is Coples worst position. Mo and Coples are better suited for 3-4 DE/DT
And who are our LBs in the 4-3? Davis and who else? David Harris is slow as molasses and couldnt play 4-3 MLB.

Changing to a 4-3 base D would be a huge mistake.

I 100% disagree. Lets take our two best play makers on the D line and stick them in a scheme that minimizes their pass rushing abilities. That being 3-4 DE who's primarily job is to control the line or the gap and then pass rush or control the line and let your 3-4 olbs rush the passer. I'd like to see Coples at DE and the odd bit of DT like he did in college and let Wilkerson be a disruptive 4-3 DT. If we keep guys like Coples and Wilkerson in the 3-4 you will get some strong play but Shaun ellis like 6 sack seasons.

jetsfan1983 · 01-02-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

I 100% disagree. Lets take our two best play makers on the D line and stick them in a scheme that minimizes their pass rushing abilities. That being 3-4 DE who's primarily job is to control the line or the gap and then pass rush or control the line and let your 3-4 olbs rush the passer. I'd like to see Coples at DE and the odd bit of DT like he did in college and let Wilkerson be a disruptive 4-3 DT. If we keep guys like Coples and Wilkerson in the 3-4 you will get some strong play but Shaun ellis like 6 sack seasons.

You guys overrate the difference between this 3-4 and a 4-3. This is not the Patriots 3-4 where it is purely 2-gapping and just taking on blockers. It's more aggressive and penetrating than that.

Pass rushing is about rushing the passer on passing downs either way... When it's passing downs, they'll be matched up against a guy they have to beat. One of them can be doubled, but that's it.

aagarcia · 01-02-2013, 04:57 PM

I think- OLB, then..... OL, TE, OL

That's the way to go. Bring in Matt Moore and another vet and all compete with McElroy. Then draft QB next year.

JETFAN1 · 01-02-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamers

So was Booty what is your point? Just because they are a 5 star HS recruit for college it doesn't mean they project as a pro as well. Sanchez was a BU in college that only started 1 year and didn't even look that good IMO. Booty looked better and he was a late rounder I think. I never understood why this team wanted him. He was a project QB we reached on based on ability. His workouts weren't even that good by all accounts. Barkley is a legit pro prospect that doesn't need a lot of coaching. The best to ever come out of USC in fact. He is not Mark Sanchez he is an actual leader and someone that can out think Ds. All this Barkley hate is stupid. I hate USC QB but for Barkley I'll make an exception because he looks like a rare talent. If we got him at 9 I'd consider that a bargain. He would have went #2 overall last year or 1 the year prior. This is not some kid riding a one year flash season in college.

I agree the hate is narrow minded to say the least.

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jetliner · 01-02-2013, 05:13 PM

Skilled player (baa)
draft a Qb prospect round 4-6(1)
filling all other draft picks with baa

Note -fa may have an experienced Qb (Palmer) available.

Dreamers · 01-02-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aagarcia

I think- OLB, then..... OL, TE, OL

That's the way to go. Bring in Matt Moore and another vet and all compete with McElroy. Then draft QB next year.

Next years QBs are piss poor too. If you want a new QB this one looks much better. Get it over now and stop overpaying for crap temp fixes at QB. Best case you get a franchise QB at worst in 3 years someone better may actually be there. Either way the only way you are going to get a viable QB at a good cap rate is in the draft. Moore and McEnutts the Cancer fighting to start is not an answer.

GreenJoe · 01-02-2013, 05:31 PM

Pace and Thomas are older than dust.

Scott is on his way out.

DeMario Davis is ascending and has not nearly met his ceiling. I have no doubts he will in a year or two.

Garrett McIntyre is OK. Not a superstar.

Harris is excellent, but that makes one.

Best OLB available, preferably one who can help to cover a TE or a slot WR.

I'd prefer one who spent his college days playing OLB so that its not another DE trying to learn the position when the NFL game is twice as fast.

If I had to choose another, I'd pick OG or OT. Howard/Slauson aren't the long term answer. Ducasse isn't very bright and is about to be inserted into a new system.

patman · 01-02-2013, 05:31 PM

I voted LB but I think they trade down.

patman · 01-02-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenJoe

Pace and Thomas are older than dust.

Scott is on his way out.

DeMario Davis is ascending and has not nearly met his ceiling. I have no doubts he will in a year or two.

Garrett McIntyre is OK. Not a superstar.

Harris is excellent, but that makes one.

Best OLB available, preferably one who can help to cover a TE or a slot WR.

I'd prefer one who spent his college days playing OLB so that its not another DE trying to learn the position when the NFL game is twice as fast.

If I had to choose another, I'd pick OG or OT. Howard/Slauson aren't the long term answer. Ducasse isn't very bright and is about to be inserted into a new system.

Harris is excelent? as a run stuffer, yeah-but his coverage skills for a ILB leave a lot to be desired.

FijiJet · 01-02-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by boxman

Pass rushing OLB

Demon pas rusher OLB or stud RB

nyjets1969 · 01-02-2013, 09:27 PM

Trade backwards this draft really doesnt have a cant miss top 10 prospect.Its a very deep draft with great talent but nothing thats a top 10 level prospect. Trade back and get some 2nd round picks and maybe a future first round picks. This is the type of draft to have a large number of picks.

sameoldjets · 01-02-2013, 09:45 PM

imo at 9 olb. but i think i would trade down to pick up a 3rd or 4th and a late first. use the first for oline or lb. use the 3rd or 4th for rg.

jpoppy7 · 01-02-2013, 10:25 PM

We've had good pass Ds without a good pass rusher. Getting one would be great and could make the D once again the best in the game, but I'd rather attend to the pitiful offense.

I voted WR, without some better playmakers at the skill positions, no QB will ever succeed. Draft a WR (Keenan Allen?) and build what could become a good group of young WRs, with the dradt pick joining Hill and Kerley.

Mikey Z 6 · 01-02-2013, 10:33 PM

DE/OLB

OR IF SOME HOW LUKE JOECKEL FALLS

crossfire · 01-02-2013, 10:40 PM

I say they pick up a guard with a smaller ass to replace Moore. This way when Rex says "He gives us the best opportunity to win the game." and starts Sanchez again next year, Mark will have one less thing to worry about.

RazorJet · 01-02-2013, 10:55 PM

Place Holder. Get the best. Kickers will have no excuse.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-02-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crossfire

I say they pick up a guard with a smaller ass to replace Moore. This way when Rex says "He gives us the best opportunity to win the game." and starts Sanchez again next year, Mark will have one less thing to worry about.

Damn Sanchez. Because of him, we have to endure endless jokes like these. It will never stop.

houyx · 01-02-2013, 11:18 PM

Initially i thought OL but after thinking about it for a little bit LB is the better choice.

1st pick.... LB
2nd, 3rd, 4th picks.... 2 OL and 1 QB

crossfire · 01-02-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

Damn Sanchez. Because of him, we have to endure endless jokes like these. It will never stop.

jetster · 01-03-2013, 08:24 AM

This a rebuild people!
We can't do this in one draft.
If a kickazz OLB is there at 9 it's a no brainer. We have to finish this defense.
With Wilk & Coples in the fold a pass rushing OLB will change the dynamic on this defense, especially with the return of Revis.
Harris needs to lose some weight & he can be much more effective if we can speed up the opposing QBs reactions.

If you get the OLB, you now have The Rookie, Harris, Davis, & hopefully a free agent veteran.
The rest of the draft needs to be BPA all offense other than center or LT.
That's 6 picks to help the offense.
If they resign Edwards, that's not a bad group with the return of Holmes, Kerley & Hill with another off season to hone his skills.
Norv will do wonders for Hill if we do bring him in as the OC.

So, finish the defense, go all offense for the other 6 picks & the final thing is to get a QB in there that won't turn the ball over 52 times in 31 games!
Our defense alone, with a new young fast group of linebackers & Revis returning is a guaranteed 6 wins.
A QB that protects the ball could mean 3-4 more wins & a playoff spot.
Jets solidify those LBs & they will be top 3 next year with Revis back.
Tanny also blew it when looking for 2nd tier offensive FA WRs & RBs in the offseason.
Go Jets!

View Poll Results: What position do you take at #9?
QB	11	9.91%
OL	34	30.63%
WR/TE	7	6.31%
RB	3	2.70%
DL	3	2.70%
LB	44	39.64%
DB	0	0%
other	9	8.11%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

01-02-2013, 05:13 PM	#65
jetliner as old as dirt, and now older than dirt and in Charlotte NC Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,261	trade up in second round Skilled player (baa) draft a Qb prospect round 4-6(1) filling all other draft picks with baa Note -fa may have an experienced Qb (Palmer) available.

01-02-2013, 04:57 PM	#63
aagarcia Practice Squad Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 401	I think- OLB, then..... OL, TE, OL That's the way to go. Bring in Matt Moore and another vet and all compete with McElroy. Then draft QB next year.

01-02-2013, 05:31 PM	#67
GreenJoe is in search of the Roy Rodgers dining establishment. Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 782	Pace and Thomas are older than dust. Scott is on his way out. DeMario Davis is ascending and has not nearly met his ceiling. I have no doubts he will in a year or two. Garrett McIntyre is OK. Not a superstar. Harris is excellent, but that makes one. Best OLB available, preferably one who can help to cover a TE or a slot WR. I'd prefer one who spent his college days playing OLB so that its not another DE trying to learn the position when the NFL game is twice as fast. If I had to choose another, I'd pick OG or OT. Howard/Slauson aren't the long term answer. Ducasse isn't very bright and is about to be inserted into a new system.

01-02-2013, 05:31 PM	#68
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,182	I voted LB but I think they trade down.

01-02-2013, 09:27 PM	#71
nyjets1969 Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,104	Trade backwards this draft really doesnt have a cant miss top 10 prospect.Its a very deep draft with great talent but nothing thats a top 10 level prospect. Trade back and get some 2nd round picks and maybe a future first round picks. This is the type of draft to have a large number of picks.

01-02-2013, 09:45 PM	#72
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,497	imo at 9 olb. but i think i would trade down to pick up a 3rd or 4th and a late first. use the first for oline or lb. use the 3rd or 4th for rg.

01-02-2013, 10:25 PM	#73
jpoppy7 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,854	We've had good pass Ds without a good pass rusher. Getting one would be great and could make the D once again the best in the game, but I'd rather attend to the pitiful offense. I voted WR, without some better playmakers at the skill positions, no QB will ever succeed. Draft a WR (Keenan Allen?) and build what could become a good group of young WRs, with the dradt pick joining Hill and Kerley.

01-02-2013, 10:33 PM	#74
Mikey Z 6 oOoOoOo All Pro Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Posts: 5,552	DE/OLB OR IF SOME HOW LUKE JOECKEL FALLS

01-02-2013, 10:40 PM	#75
crossfire Day by day, night after night... Blinded by the neon light Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 5,709	I say they pick up a guard with a smaller ass to replace Moore. This way when Rex says "He gives us the best opportunity to win the game." and starts Sanchez again next year, Mark will have one less thing to worry about.

01-02-2013, 10:55 PM	#76
RazorJet W P S! !!!! no, i mean it. Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Atkins, Arkansas Posts: 1,649	Place Holder. Get the best. Kickers will have no excuse.

01-02-2013, 11:18 PM	#78
houyx Practice Squad Waterboy Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 57	Initially i thought OL but after thinking about it for a little bit LB is the better choice. 1st pick.... LB 2nd, 3rd, 4th picks.... 2 OL and 1 QB

01-03-2013, 08:24 AM	#80
jetster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,958	This a rebuild people! We can't do this in one draft. If a kickazz OLB is there at 9 it's a no brainer. We have to finish this defense. With Wilk & Coples in the fold a pass rushing OLB will change the dynamic on this defense, especially with the return of Revis. Harris needs to lose some weight & he can be much more effective if we can speed up the opposing QBs reactions. If you get the OLB, you now have The Rookie, Harris, Davis, & hopefully a free agent veteran. The rest of the draft needs to be BPA all offense other than center or LT. That's 6 picks to help the offense. If they resign Edwards, that's not a bad group with the return of Holmes, Kerley & Hill with another off season to hone his skills. Norv will do wonders for Hill if we do bring him in as the OC. So, finish the defense, go all offense for the other 6 picks & the final thing is to get a QB in there that won't turn the ball over 52 times in 31 games! Our defense alone, with a new young fast group of linebackers & Revis returning is a guaranteed 6 wins. A QB that protects the ball could mean 3-4 more wins & a playoff spot. Jets solidify those LBs & they will be top 3 next year with Revis back. Tanny also blew it when looking for 2nd tier offensive FA WRs & RBs in the offseason. Go Jets!