Relax, Rex isn't hiding, he's chillin' in the Bahamas

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

Do what? Call you on your BS? Look me in the monitor and tell me this is your best stuff. You're just grinding your axe; not your best work.

And you should back off the personal comments because I'm your biggest "fan" around here.

This is not "stuff". As usual, you think I'm joking around when I'm dead serious.

I appreciate that you're a "fan" of mine, but that implies that I'm entertaining you which is not what I'm trying to do.

SAR I

[sect313]

Originally Posted by SAR I

No one is wallowing in misery. Three things going on:

1. Rex Ryan is the problem. He sucks. He is unfortunately staying.

2. Mark Sanchez is a symptom. He might not suck. He is being scapegoated.

...and the worst of all...

3. Ignorant Jets fans not knowing this to be true.

SAR I

might not suck? have you watched a game the last 4 years. rookies are light years ahead of him. or you dont expect too much from your QB

are you getting paid for your schtik?

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Shea319now314

Mangini's team above average? His last 2 seasons the Jets were
4-12 and 9-7. He inherited a team from Herman Edwards and finished 10-6 his first year as HC.
Mangenius was 0-1 in the playoffs.
Hope you don't work in quality control.

The roster quality was above average. Mangini was undermined by gimpy Pennington in '07 and old-man Favre in '08. The '08 team was sitting at 8-3 before Favre got hurt.

Rex Ryan is a great postseason head coach with non-Ryan draft picks; problem is, he's a terrible regular season coach with his own draft picks, so his early postseason success means very little.

SAR I

[ASG0531]

Originally Posted by sect313

might not suck? have you watched a game the last 4 years. rookies are light years ahead of him. or you dont expect too much from your QB

are you getting paid for your schtik?

That is a tree upon which no one should bark. SAR has already explicitly stated that Sanchez gets a complete pass for the year due to the surrounding talent. He could butt-fumble every single play and SAR wouldn't blink an eye. He would still think this team could potentially win a super bowl with him in the right situation. 30% chance.

[chesapeakejet]

Originally Posted by ASG0531

That is a tree upon which no one should bark. SAR has already explicitly stated that Sanchez gets a complete pass for the year due to the surrounding talent. He could butt-fumble every single play and SAR wouldn't blink an eye. He would still think this team could potentially win a super bowl with him in the right situation. 30% chance.

Don't you know? SAR has "a thing" for USC quarterbacks.

[SAR I]

SONNY WERBLIN Sar, I agree with you on the relevance of the foot video in regards to Rex's "judgment" and ability to make sound, rational decisions. That said, there is plenty of evidence indicating that Rex is a "good" HC. The most basic of which is the fact that his team is 38 and 33 over the past 4 seasons, with 2 trips to the AFCCG. To do that, you have to at least be "good". I would also note that this year was far worse than last, but this year he did not lose the locker room.

Truth is, the '09 team was headed for 7-9 before the Colts and Bengals laid down. Similarly, the '10 team would have gone 7-9 if not for Mark Sanchez miracle 4th quarter comebacks. While our postseason success is unquestioned, the regular seasons are awful and postseason's don't happen without consistent regular seasons as you know.

I'm most concerned by the question of whether Rex can adapt and improve as a HC. That walking hemorrhoid to the north has had plenty of time to "become" a great HC. He was nothing more that a "good" HC and an excellent DC until Brady came along to provide him the cover he needed so he had enough time to develop as a HC.

Rex Ryan cannot improve. The average NFL coach lasts 4 seasons and they grow during that span, usually after Year 1 or Year 2. What we have in Rex is what we have. He's a good DC and a bad HC.

Bill Belichick does a lot more than be a DC and babysit Tom Brady. The best thing BB does is he gets his team ready for EVERY game. That's why they average 12 wins per season. People slam him for running up the score. What he's doing is keeping his team sharp. Rex Ryan's teams are up and down, never on an even keel, never consistent.

Rex has no cover. What he has is a team that has become less talented since he became coach. Is he at fault? Hell yes. He wanted a lot of these guys. But, Rex is not a scout and the Jets should not have let him do a scout's job.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that Terry Bradway, Joey Clinkscales, and Mike Tannenbaum make one hell of an advisory committee and any HC in the NFL would kill to be able to have final say in drafting to get "their guys". I don't see how any HC could be set up to succeed and feel comfortable more than Rex Ryan under this approach.

Rex deserves one year to put the ship back on course. The new GM has to tell him that he needs to coach the whole team, not just the D; accept the reality that today's NFL is a passing league; and become a better game manager. If he doesn't improve as a HC in 2014, show him the door.

No. Rex Ryan doesn't deserve anything. 4th year head coaches don't suddenly change their stripes in Year 5. Rex Ryan is still making rookie mistakes. How many dumb timeouts do we witness each week? How many times does it take 41 seconds to get a play in? How many sloppy OL and DL penalties do we suffer? Why does the team play at 110% effort one week and 50% effort the next? How could we enter the 2012 season with an offense that bad? How can we be the only team in the NFL without a pass-catching RB for emergency dump-offs? How can we have a 4 year commitment to defense and be among the worst teams in the NFL in QB pressures and sacks and interceptions?

We've seen what we're going to see in Rex Ryan. He is awful nurturing young talent, awful in disciplining a locker room. He is the antithesis of what a rebuilding team needs.

SAR I

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by sect313

might not suck? have you watched a game the last 4 years. rookies are light years ahead of him. or you dont expect too much from your QB

are you getting paid for your schtik?

Playmakers Mark had his first two/three seasons:

Edwards,
Holmes,
Cotchery,
Burress,
Keller,
Tomlinson,
Richardson,
Jones,
Greene (young),
Washington.

Replacement players this/last year:

Schillens,
Hill,
Kerley,
McKnight,
Connor,
Gates,
Hilliard,
Reuland,
Gilyard,
Greene (old).

Find me 1 player that's a better one-for-one swap of the guy he replaced. You can't. We have the worst set of receiving targets in the NFL. It's hard to be a good QB when you have nothing to throw to. Note that I did not list the OL fails. Note that I did not list the Coordinator fail. Note that I did not list the Tebow distraction.

Are you being paid for your ignorance?

SAR I

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by SAR I

The roster quality was above average. Mangini was undermined by gimpy Pennington in '07 and old-man Favre in '08. The '08 team was sitting at 8-3 before Favre got hurt.

Rex Ryan is a great postseason head coach with non-Ryan draft picks; problem is, he's a terrible regular season coach with his own draft picks, so his early postseason success means very little.

SAR I

Id take Pennington partially injured over Sanchez. Sanchez is that bad.

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by Dcat

Id take Pennington partially injured over Sanchez. Sanchez is that bad.

After this year Id take Chaddy Cakes totally injured..

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by ASG0531

That is a tree upon which no one should bark. SAR has already explicitly stated that Sanchez gets a complete pass for the year due to the surrounding talent. He could butt-fumble every single play and SAR wouldn't blink an eye. He would still think this team could potentially win a super bowl with him in the right situation. 30% chance.

While your presentation is dramatic, that is exactly what I'm saying.

Mark Sanchez is 4-2 in the postseason and was the best Jet on the field in both Championship Games. I'm quite convinced that he can be a great playoff performer because he already has more games under his belt than 28 other NFL starting quarterbacks, and his QBR is over 94 in those contests.

We knew what the offense looked like in Cortland in July. And that was when it was 100% healthy. Take away Keller, Holmes, and Hill and combine it with an awful OL and a running game that stinks and you're looking at a situation in which no QB could succeed.

The 23 year old kid got past his first 10 game jitters and won 16 of his next 20 games including 4 memorable 4th quarter comebacks that turned a disappointing 7-9 season into a special 11-5 season.

On opening day 2011, no one was worried about Mark Sanchez because of how well he had played from late 2009 through 2010. Ryan traded or cut every good playmaker he had to puff up the defense. That ruined our QB. Add to that the OL, the OC, and the Tebow shuffle and of course by November he was a wreck and by December he was a joke. This isn't a surprise.

SAR I

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Dcat

Id take Pennington partially injured over Sanchez. Sanchez is that bad.

Everyone knows Sanchez is bad. The question is: Why?

Pennington was bad because he had a weak arm and a frail body.

Sanchez is bad because either a) he just sucks or b) he had the worst offense in the NFL to lead.

I think there's a 30% chance he's a very good quarterback that's been undermined by a terrible HC who doesn't give a damn about offense. Let's find out.

SAR I

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by SAR I

While your presentation is dramatic, that is exactly what I'm saying.

Mark Sanchez is 4-2 in the postseason and was the best Jet on the field in both Championship Games. I'm quite convinced that he can be a great playoff performer because he already has more games under his belt than 28 other NFL starting quarterbacks, and his QBR is over 94 in those contests.

We knew what the offense looked like in Cortland in July. And that was when it was 100% healthy. Take away Keller, Holmes, and Hill and combine it with an awful OL and a running game that stinks and you're looking at a situation in which no QB could succeed.

The 23 year old kid got past his first 10 game jitters and won 16 of his next 20 games including 4 memorable 4th quarter comebacks that turned a disappointing 7-9 season into a special 11-5 season.

On opening day 2011, no one was worried about Mark Sanchez because of how well he had played from late 2009 through 2010. Ryan traded or cut every good playmaker he had to puff up the defense. That ruined our QB. Add to that the OL, the OC, and the Tebow shuffle and of course by November he was a wreck and by December he was a joke. This isn't a surprise.

SAR I

Somewhere Sanchez lost his confidence and morphed into a combination of the Cowardly lion,the Tin man and the Scare crow from the Wizard of Oz..

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by chesapeakejet

Don't you know? SAR has "a thing" for USC quarterbacks.

Not at all.

Could the Jets have had a better "tryout" for a QB than they did with Mark Sanchez? Rookie given no time to carry the clipboard still manages to go 4-6 in his first 10 shaky newb games. Then goes on an epic 16-4 run. Then wins 4 of 6 playoff games and is the best Jet on the field in two AFC Championship Games.

Coming out of 2010, boy, you'd say the Jets found a very good kid who is 25 and ready to really learn and grow on the job. Right? You bet. That summer of 2011 no one was talking about Mark Sanchez as a 'problem'. We were flirting with Aso and adding missing pieces like Plaxico, remember? I do.

Well what the hell happened? Did Mark just take stupid pills? Or did the Jets take away every offensive weapon they'd given him and replace them with sh-t? Or did the Jets let the OL fall to pieces and let him get slammed around? Or did the Jets keep an OC who has his head in the sand? Or did the Jets bring in a new OC that had never done that job before? Or did the Jets bring in Tim Tebow to mess with his head? Or did the Jets leave Cortland with the worst offense in the NFL?

I don't have an infatuation with Mark Sanchez. I just know that we had a 23 year old kid that accomplished a hell of a lot by the time he turned 25, still a baby, and was mishandled by a lousy head coach that doesn't give a damn about offense.

Let's find out. Let's see if he sucks outright or just needs a set of offensive playmakers like the other successful NFL quarterbacks have.

SAR I

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by SAR I

Everyone knows Sanchez is bad. The question is: Why?

Pennington was bad because he had a weak arm and a frail body.

Sanchez is bad because either a) he just sucks or b) he had the worst offense in the NFL to lead.

I think there's a 30% chance he's a very good quarterback that's been undermined by a terrible HC who doesn't give a damn about offense. Let's find out.

SAR I

Ive already explained it many times. He has terrible instincts. The chances of anyone being able to coach him up to full field vision is negligible. His instincts tell him to do things that alwyas lead to turnovers. This is not a coaching issue. The coaches do suck but in my view Sanchez is uncoachable. A huge number of his mistakes come when he is under no or little pressure. And the risk of turnovers increases the further down the field the Jets happen to be. He needs to be replaced. He can't be the face of the Jets going forward.

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by Savage69

Somewhere Sanchez lost his confidence and morphed into a combination of the Cowardly lion,the Tin man and the Scare crow from the Wizard of Oz..

no brains, no heart, no balls.

That about sums it up.

[RMJK]

I don't know if Sanchez was responsible for all the success the Jets had early on but this season he's been very inconsistant. I watch Tom Brady and other QBs and the the receiver so he doesn't miss a step and gets extra YAR. When he throws a screen it is jerky and off target even when completed. When he is not rushed, he rushes. When his receivers aren't open he holds onto the ball. When we are in a tight game he panics and forces throws. When he hands off he doesn't have the right handoff or timing.

I've looked at his mechanics and his foot work is off 50% of the time ie., throwing off his back foot etc.

Yes you can fix these things but everything is broke and he's got his head up his a$$. He's in magazines with various celebrities and wears $2000 suits. Give me a break. His mind is on his 40 mill or whatever it is.

[Jets_Penguin]

Originally Posted by SAR I

November 13, 2011 was the day that Rex Ryan ended. Patriots 37 Jets 16.

Rex put all his eggs in that basket. That was the day that we were going to surpass the Patriots and put them in our rearview mirror. But Bill Belichick thought otherwise. The team never believed in Rex Ryan again after that day. The fans thought that after the playoff pounding we'd overtake New England and instead were handed a humiliating and thorough defeat.

Going into that game, we were on an 18-9 run with no less than 5 big victories against elite teams.

Since that game, the New York Jets are 9-15 with a 1-11 record against teams that end the year with a winning record.

SAR I

I hate when he does this.................UPPERCUT!! UPPERCUT!!!

[Mainejet]

I'm glad Rex is taking a vaca, he deserves it after such a long season. Whatever the guy needs to do to unwind and get focused on next season.

[FF2®]

Originally Posted by Mainejet

I'm glad Rex is taking a vaca, he deserves it after such a long season. Whatever the guy needs to do to unwind and get focused on next season.

+1. He can't cause any media stir down there either. I mean what could possibly happen.

[RussianGreen]

Originally Posted by FF2®

+1. He can't cause any media stir down there either. I mean what could possibly happen.

He got a tattoo of HIS wife. Of course he could unwind like your favorite piece of human waste - fedexing cash to other men wives from a team headquarters.