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jetswin · 01-05-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Minkaveli

what single move started the downfall that led us to the debacle we are witnessing today?

Traitor Jay & the Woodies · 01-05-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jetswin

That's the Giants Fan view of the Jets world. Don't believe the hype.

You can pick several moments in the 2011 season that predate the Cruz catch and point to the downfall. The Ravens game is one. The week before the Christmas debacle in Philadelphia is another.

Cleansweep2013 · 01-05-2013, 04:25 PM

I know this was last year, but when you see cowardly acts such as this you can not expect that guy to lead and play the most important position on the field. Should have been a red flag.

jetswin · 01-05-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Traitor Jay & the Woodies

That's the Giants Fan view of the Jets world. Don't believe the hype.

You can pick several moments in the 2011 season that predate the Cruz catch and point to the downfall. The Ravens game is one. The week before the Christmas debacle in Philadelphia is another.

this is the one I picked, and I'm no Giant fan.

PocketJet · 01-05-2013, 04:26 PM

Not signing Peyton Manning

Traitor Jay & the Woodies · 01-05-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jetswin

this is the one I picked, and I'm no Giant fan.

They've gotten to you. Resist!

Winstonbiggs · 01-05-2013, 04:43 PM

Drafting Clemens and Gholston to be our franchise QB and our Franchise game changer on D.

Carlton · 01-05-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Drafting Clemens and Gholston to be our franchise QB and our Franchise game changer on D.

Beating the Chiefs in overtime the last game of the season which netted us the 6th pick and Gholston.. otherwise we would have had Matt Ryan or McFadden.

SMC · 01-05-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Traitor Jay & the Woodies

They've gotten to you. Resist!

+1

RMJK · 01-05-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jetswin

That's on Bart Scott who can't play any more. Rex's loyalty I assume.

I picked Hill's dropped pass in NE that cost us the game. We would have believed we were better than we were and perhaps made the playoffs.

SizzleBear287 · 01-05-2013, 05:36 PM

Jim Leonhard's season-ending injury.

Vin · 01-05-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

The single move that started the downfall of this team was signing Brett Favre.

This completely changed the teams philosophy from building with high character, hard working, team first young players through the draft and UDFA to building with high profile, older, selfish players through trades and free agency.

It also lead to replacing a disciplined coach who was high on being prepared, kept his players focused and held them accountable for their mistakes to a players coach who was great at motivating but didnt always have his team prepared and allowed the inmates to run the assylum

I disagree. Had Favre NOT gotten hurt when the Jets were 8-3, they would've made some noise in the playoffs and PERHAPS Mangini would've remained as Jets head coach longer.....

Of course back then, people here forget that they are the same people who wanted him(Mangini) gone regardless.....I guess absence does make the heart grow fonder(or whatever the fuk that old 'saying' is).

RMJK · 01-05-2013, 06:51 PM

How about loosing to 49ers 34-0 at home early in the season.

Stillafan · 01-05-2013, 06:58 PM

During the job interview, they failed to question Wrecks about what he would do about offense. The second was the failure to question his references on the Ravens about why he did not get the HC job. In hiring anyone you check references before you hire.

Mardukis · 01-05-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jetsfan920

Victor Cruz 99 yard TD.

We were leaking oil well before that.

losses to Denver, Oakland, Philly.

Mardukis · 01-05-2013, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

The single move that started the downfall of this team was signing Brett Favre.

This completely changed the teams philosophy from building with high character, hard working, team first young players through the draft and UDFA to building with high profile, older, selfish players through trades and free agency.

It also lead to replacing a disciplined coach who was high on being prepared, kept his players focused and held them accountable for their mistakes to a players coach who was great at motivating but didnt always have his team prepared and allowed the inmates to run the assylum

Very hard to not agree with this r at a minimum see it as the beginning of a pattern.

Vin · 01-05-2013, 08:04 PM

^ Wasn't too hard to disagree either, Mardukis.

The owner tried going for a quick fix which ultimately blew up in his face BUT it was paying off for awhile until Favre got hurt.

SAR I · 01-05-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Minkaveli

What single move started the downfall of this team?

Here's the honest answer: Rex Ryan's big mouth.

November 13, 2011 was the day that Rex Ryan ended. Patriots 37 Jets 16.

Rex put all his eggs in that basket. That was the day that we were going to surpass the Patriots and put them in our rearview mirror. But Bill Belichick thought otherwise. The team never believed in Rex Ryan again after that day. The fans thought that after the playoff pounding we'd overtake New England and instead were handed a humiliating and thorough defeat.

Going into that game, we were on an 18-9 run with 5 victories against elite teams.

Since that game, the New York Jets are 9-15 with a 1-11 record against teams that end the year with a winning record.

A complete and utter reversal of fortune. That's what happens when your head coach stands up and can't back it up. Players stop believing. Then they start losing.

SAR I

Tinstar · 01-05-2013, 08:36 PM

The NYJets went out an hired a defensive minded HC who prefers to run the ball play great defense which in itself is a sound strategy. In the initial stages of the program, the running game works to perfection due to the scheme and the power provided from the Right Side of the OL behind Damien Woody, Brandon Moore and Nick Mangold. The problem occurs when two of those OL got old and needed to be replaced. Combined that with an OLT who can't run block, a starting TE who's even worst and the lost of the RBs who powered the scheme and you have a problem.

Throw in a mistake prone QB who the HC will not allow his OC to develop through mistakes and the end result is what u have today. The Jets run a multiple formation defense base out of a 34 scheme , yet have no OLBers who can rush the passer. Instead this team drafts DLmen in the early rounds. The Jets run a ground and pound offense yet have no feature RB,no Blocking TE and a bunch of OLmen who specialize in nothing in perticular.

The problem is this team has no direction and that is why Mike Tannenbaum is history and the Jets are today searching for direction. It has nothing to do with Favre or Holmes or Sanchez or any of the players on the team. The problem is the draft and free agent strategy.

The Pittsburg Steelers run a 34 defense, and all they do is draft players that fit their scheme. If u are going to run a 34 defense, you don't draft Vilma because he's the BAP.

The last time this Jet franchise had direction was under Herman Edwards and Terry Bradway. The problem was the QB just couldn't stay healthy and was limited in what he could do due to his arm strength. Maybe Just Maybe, under the New GM we can get back to Having A Plan.

jeT.MAC · 01-05-2013, 08:51 PM

downwardspiral of jets started in 1970... thanx Joe Dub!!!

01-05-2013, 06:58 PM	#114
Stillafan A fan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 113	The single move that started the downfall of the Jets During the job interview, they failed to question Wrecks about what he would do about offense. The second was the failure to question his references on the Ravens about why he did not get the HC job. In hiring anyone you check references before you hire.

01-05-2013, 08:36 PM	#119
Tinstar Saved,and Thankfull All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,449	The Problem is the drafting strategy The NYJets went out an hired a defensive minded HC who prefers to run the ball play great defense which in itself is a sound strategy. In the initial stages of the program, the running game works to perfection due to the scheme and the power provided from the Right Side of the OL behind Damien Woody, Brandon Moore and Nick Mangold. The problem occurs when two of those OL got old and needed to be replaced. Combined that with an OLT who can't run block, a starting TE who's even worst and the lost of the RBs who powered the scheme and you have a problem. Throw in a mistake prone QB who the HC will not allow his OC to develop through mistakes and the end result is what u have today. The Jets run a multiple formation defense base out of a 34 scheme , yet have no OLBers who can rush the passer. Instead this team drafts DLmen in the early rounds. The Jets run a ground and pound offense yet have no feature RB,no Blocking TE and a bunch of OLmen who specialize in nothing in perticular. The problem is this team has no direction and that is why Mike Tannenbaum is history and the Jets are today searching for direction. It has nothing to do with Favre or Holmes or Sanchez or any of the players on the team. The problem is the draft and free agent strategy. The Pittsburg Steelers run a 34 defense, and all they do is draft players that fit their scheme. If u are going to run a 34 defense, you don't draft Vilma because he's the BAP. The last time this Jet franchise had direction was under Herman Edwards and Terry Bradway. The problem was the QB just couldn't stay healthy and was limited in what he could do due to his arm strength. Maybe Just Maybe, under the New GM we can get back to Having A Plan.

01-05-2013, 04:25 PM	#103
Cleansweep2013 1 more year until Sanchez is delievering pizzas on sundays.. Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 605	I know this was last year, but when you see cowardly acts such as this you can not expect that guy to lead and play the most important position on the field. Should have been a red flag.

01-05-2013, 04:26 PM	#105
PocketJet Picture of our Head Coach below: Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bayonne, NJ Posts: 1,951	Not signing Peyton Manning

01-05-2013, 04:43 PM	#107
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,909	Drafting Clemens and Gholston to be our franchise QB and our Franchise game changer on D.

01-05-2013, 05:36 PM	#111
SizzleBear287 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,409	Jim Leonhard's season-ending injury.

01-05-2013, 06:51 PM	#113
RMJK Think outside the box. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Warwick, New York Posts: 15,782	How about loosing to 49ers 34-0 at home early in the season.

01-05-2013, 08:04 PM	#117
Vin RE-SIGN ME, DAMMIT!!! All Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,084	^ Wasn't too hard to disagree either, Mardukis. The owner tried going for a quick fix which ultimately blew up in his face BUT it was paying off for awhile until Favre got hurt.

01-05-2013, 08:51 PM	#120
jeT.MAC All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,515	downwardspiral of jets started in 1970... thanx Joe Dub!!!