House Scraps Vote on Hurricane Sandy Aid

[palmetto defender]

Originally Posted by quantum

Here's a question:

We all pay federal taxes, and some of us get money from FEMA when a disaster strikes.

We all (?) buy insurance, homeowner's and sometimes flood, and when a disaster strikes, we get money from the insurance company.

Aren't the 2 very similar? Sure, insurance is more of a guarantee, but in both cases, its shared risk, no?

I've read your post for awhile and you're a lot smarter than the above statement.
You buy insurance which is specific: home, hurricane, flood etc with many riders available for various "possibilities". You also have cat, health, life, boat and a myriad of other types. All with riders for situations.
Taxes are a different matter. These IMHO, are designed for common help. In addition to defense, plice, fire etc, in the case of FEMA, I think these are for infrastructure - streets, common buildings, sewers, clean water, powere distribution etc. And temporary housing food, clothing and shelter for the afflicted.
I am not being an ogre here. Just saying that insurance IS available and the responsibilty of every homeowner and apartment dweller. You have to spend as much time as you can just like buying a new car.
And deal with a reputable company - too many crooks out there.
Just as a new car with a loan is required to have insurance, I can't understand why a house with a mortgage is not required to have FULL insurance covering any calamity which is reasonably possible in the specific area.

[quantum]

Originally Posted by palmetto defender

I've read your post for awhile and you're a lot smarter than the above statement.
.

or I could be a wiseass or agent provocateur

plus, you really didn't answer the question. are you saying that just because FEMA grants are not called "insurance" that they don't count? That's some very rigid thinking....

[palmetto defender]

Originally Posted by quantum

or I could be a wiseass or agent provocateur

plus, you really didn't answer the question. are you saying that just because FEMA grants are not called "insurance" that they don't count? That's some very rigid thinking....

Doubt you're a wise ass.

Rigid? Maybe. warfish brought up a fair point earlier.
His house burns down or gets hit by lightning. Why shouldn't the Feds buy him a new one? 4 car wreck on the Southern State Parkway - Feds buy you a new car? The scenarios are endless.

When does an individuals responsibility start? I forgot to buy insurance. My house is worh $750k but my insurance is for $250k - oops.

FEMA should cover that which I outlined. Emergency housing, food, clothing, basic necessities plus provisions for common infrastructure. otherwise ever man for himself.

Katrina's abuses, by the way, (through FEMA) are well documented. Credit cards for booze, porn, hookers, cigarettes, lottery tix. Everything but what was intended.

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by palmetto defender

His house burns down or gets hit by lightning. Why shouldn't the Feds buy him a new one? 4 car wreck on the Southern State Parkway - Feds buy you a new car? The scenarios are endless.

One house burning down is not a state of emergency.

Several counties flooding that affects a few million people is.


You shouldn't stand behind your high horse so much. Your completely covered in sh*t.

[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

One house burning down is not a state of emergency.

Several counties flooding that affects a few million people is.


You shouldn't stand behind your high horse so much. Your completely covered in sh*t.

Could you please clear this up a little? Exactly how many people suffering damage does it take to constitute an emergency? Apparently somewhere between 1 and a "few million", but what's the precise cutoff? 10? 50? 20,000? Cuz you seem like you're real confident that you've got this down and I was just wondering.

By the way, botched metaphors are the best

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by JetPotato

Could you please clear this up a little? Exactly how many people suffering damage does it take to constitute an emergency? Apparently somewhere between 1 and a "few million", but what's the precise cutoff? 10? 50? 20,000? Cuz you seem like you're real confident that you've got this down and I was just wondering.

By the way, botched metaphors are the best

Fine.

You guys have completely convinced me and help me see the light.

F*ck Quantum.

He is nothing but a freeloading, liberal welfare scum.



Thanks for turning me around and making me understand what it takes to be a true American.


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[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

Fine.

You guys have completely convinced me and help me see the light.

F*ck Quantum.

He is nothing but a freeloading, liberal welfare scum.



Thanks for turning me around and making me understand what it takes to be a true American.


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No, seriously, how many?

Don't tease me with knowledge.

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by JetPotato

No, seriously, how many?

Don't tease me with knowledge.

Doesn't matter.

Lets just pile up on Quantum for fixing his house.

He sucks.




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[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by JetPotato

No, seriously, how many?

Don't tease me with knowledge.

Use Google, lazy...

http://www.fema.gov/declaration-process


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[PlumberKhan]

This whole thread is emblematic of the circular firing squad that the GOP has become.

This is why you lost the election. Not because people want free stuff (of emergency help)....but because your party and your ideas are just plain f*cking stupid.


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[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

Doesn't matter.

Lets just pile up on Quantum for fixing his house.

He sucks.




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I don't know why you're so mad a quantum. I like the guy. He seems smart.

You seem a little angry. Everything OK at home?

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by JetPotato

I don't know why you're so mad a quantum. I like the guy. He seems smart.

You seem a little angry. Everything OK at home?

Wut?

I'm not mad at him at all. Re read the thread, bro. I've been sticking up for him. It's your conservative friends that have been mad at him for using emergency funds to repair his home.


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[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

This whole thread is emblematic of the circular firing squad that the GOP has become.

This is why you lost the election. Not because people want free stuff (of emergency help)....but because your party and your ideas are just plain f*cking stupid.


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Stupid... like a fox

[PlumberKhan]

Originally Posted by JetPotato

Stupid... like a fox

Ok.


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[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by PlumberKhan

Wut?

I'm not mad at him at all. Re read the thread, bro. I've been sticking up for him. It's your conservative friends that have been mad at him for using emergency funds to repair his home.


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I dunno. You said "he sucks". Not sure why you were insinuating that is what I was saying. I had a specific question, so I went to the obvious expert. He hadn't really even crossed my mind til you brought him up. You seemed pretty butt hurt about it all.

[Jetworks]

Sometimes I hate the fact that I'm a better person than to dance on the misfortunes of others for the sake of pointing out the hypocrisy of their views. I will say that those of you taking such a hardline about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps should be so fortunate to never have to put that to the test. The resolve needed to overcome misfortune, true hardship, is more than you would ever wish to bear. Trust me, I know that which I speak.

[FF2®]

Originally Posted by Jetworks

Sometimes I hate the fact that I'm a better person than to dance on the misfortunes of others for the sake of pointing out the hypocrisy of their views. I will say that those of you taking such a hardline about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps should be so fortunate to never have to put that to the test. The resolve needed to overcome misfortune, true hardship, is more than you would ever wish to bear. Trust me, I know that which I speak.

amen.

[Jetworks]

Originally Posted by FF2®

amen.

Your PM box is full of teh ghey, so I could not respond to your message. Please remedy that. Thankya.

[Axil]

Originally Posted by quantum

Here's a question:

We all pay federal taxes, and some of us get money from FEMA when a disaster strikes.

We all (?) buy insurance, homeowner's and sometimes flood, and when a disaster strikes, we get money from the insurance company.

Aren't the 2 very similar? Sure, insurance is more of a guarantee, but in both cases, its shared risk, no?

I think what strikes me as odd (and is the key difference between your examples), is it's much, much better to have your home destroyed in the middle of a large scale disaster than be the one guy who loses everything.

As i mentioned in my previous post, i don't believe it has anything to do with stabilizing the area. Otherwise we'd have paid every dime necessary to put Joplin back on the map, and let Bloomberg deal with the damage in NYC. It's not done according to need or the greater good, it's done to maximize the political gain per dollar spent in disaster relief.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by palmetto defender

Doubt you're a wise ass.

Rigid? Maybe. warfish brought up a fair point earlier.
His house burns down or gets hit by lightning. Why shouldn't the Feds buy him a new one? 4 car wreck on the Southern State Parkway - Feds buy you a new car? The scenarios are endless.

When does an individuals responsibility start? I forgot to buy insurance. My house is worh $750k but my insurance is for $250k - oops.

FEMA should cover that which I outlined. Emergency housing, food, clothing, basic necessities plus provisions for common infrastructure. otherwise ever man for himself.

Katrina's abuses, by the way, (through FEMA) are well documented. Credit cards for booze, porn, hookers, cigarettes, lottery tix. Everything but what was intended.

Why were 9/11 victims paid out by taxpayers? Shouldn't a person who goes to war bring their own weapons and amo? (Based on the 2nd amendment they should)

Emergency aid is not a structurial issue with our debt. Rebuilding "productive" communities that have been wiped out reduces long term structural debt.