The Official "I STILL BELIEVE IN REX" Thread

[Cleansweep2013]

Originally Posted by SAR I

We're beyond the issue of Mark Sanchez. That means nothing right now. He was always only 10% of our problem. He's only 5% now.

We have colossal issues in the front office, with the owner, with the head coach, with the lack of a coaching staff, unable to hire a quality GM, no free agents wanting to come here, established veterans wanting out, the gap between us and the Patriots now a chasm, can't even dream of catching the Colts or Bengals for a measly wildcard.

SAR I

hahaha only 5%???? Just when I thought you couldnt say anything more stupid, you pull this shocker.. Dont make me dig up your posts from all season of you defending Marky even when he was averaging 4 picks/fumbles a game.

When Mark wasnt terrible, but still not very good, we made it to AFCCG games twice. Last year he was near bottom of the leauge, we went 8-8. This year he was the worst qb in the league and we went 6-10. Notice the trend? Look at the difference Peyton manning has made with the exact same Denver team - HUGE difference..Look at the difference this year redskins,seahawks, Colts, compare their year last year. Every year including this year, teams that make the playoffs have good qbs. You can say SF doesnt have a great qb, but 2 of their qbs are easily better than sanchez. I know your a little slow but its a quarterback league.. You cant have a good offense if your qb is turning the ball over twice as much as he is throwing a TD. Its impossible! I dont see how any qb can play worse than Sanchez did this year so Jets should atleast be 8-8 with any one else. Funny though before woody realized what a terrible gm MT was he poisioned the Jets with Sanchez 1 more year for no reason and without a suitable backup, and little cap space to do much else. The only thing that is keeping this team from being a 2 win team is Rex's D.

[JetsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Jet Genius

Hello everyone, I know I don't post as often as I used to (or like for that matter), but I find it important to start this thread considering the amount of changes in line.

In order to appreciate this 'point of view', we all must be on the same level. So here it is: WOODY WANTS THE NEW YORK SUPERBOWL.

That's it. Clean cut. Black and White. Clear as day.

Now. Usually, when an owner fires a GM it means a new GM will comes in and CLEAN HOUSE. I agree with that philosophy, as do most other people because frankly, it's the best way to do things; especially if you're targeting a valued GM- one who would WANT to sign a new coaching staff and call it his.. It works that way with everything, not just professional sports; Anytime someone is asked to be the "boss" they want to surround themselves with people they know and trust- not too many people want to step into a situation where they "have to get along" with everyone.

So based on this decision by Woody- we can honestly say "This is the wrong move."

Woody has fired the GM and OC (and others), but insists he wants Rex as the HC.. this RARELY works.. Most would say you need to either FIRE EVERYONE or KEEP EVERYONE (well, maybe not Sparano).

The reason behind this is because Woody wants a New York Superbowl.

If he were to CLEAN HOUSE- then there would be an even less chance of making the Superbowl in 2014. A rebuilding stage is OBSOLETE for this franchise, especially this year.

Rex is keeping his job because:

1) Say what you will, but he IS one of the best defensive minds in all of football and that's really NEVER going to change. Ever.

2) His first two seasons they were 30mins away from the Superbowl.

3) He didn't clean house when he showed up.

Rex' biggest attribute and ironically, his Achilles heal is his LOYALTY AND TRUST. His style is like no other. He coaches people up- that's who he is.. He CREATED people like Bart Scott because he tells people that he believes in them. He's extremely confident in that approach and it's the reason why he picks people up like AARON MAYBIN & Santonio Holmes & Braylon Edwards- bc when everyone else doesn't believe in you, he has a way of getting the best out of you.

This is the sole reason why he stayed with Sanchez for so long; TRUST... He cannot let Mark know that he doesn't believe in him anymore.. Now, there could be a lot more to it than just that (concerning Mark) because he is the franchise QB drafted #5 overall who is making 8M per year. That has a lot to do with it also- if you were to bench him, his trade value will drop; that's a bad combination when your QB is the highest paid player on the team. Sanchez is forced to be QB so that he can audition for other teams.


When Rex was hired 4 years ago He did NOT clean house... which is what most HC's would have done... He kept Brian Schottenheimer and Mike Westoff and pretty much instilled a perennial, aggressive LOUD MOUTH Defense-- We had a nice offense at the time- the line had probowlers, our fullback was incredible, LT was out to prove something-- Our lights out defense combined with our marginal offense and good STs is why we ever stood a chance... last year the defense was stellar- but the offense and ST sucked... not to mention losing our best player on defense and our best player on offense didn't help.

I know a lot of you will say: "Mangini left Rex all that nice talent." Well, maybe that's true- however the defense was not nearly as good until Rex kicked the door in... & btw, most would've assumed Rex would draft a defensive player as his first duty, but they didn't.. they took a QB. That's how confident they were in Rex's defensive coaching.

Not to mention, the people Rex has drafted are turning out pretty damn good... A lot of us liked John Connor a lot, it's too bad he's gone he couldn't stay healthy... Shonn Greene is still our #1- a lot of you don't like him, but he led the nation in rushing yards in Iowa and he flat out runs people over- he is a ground and pound back.. Quinton Coples is the real deal and so is Mo Wilkerson- that's all Rex... So is Kyle Wilson- I know a lot of you hate him, but hey the Jets didn't allow ONE 100-yard receiver all year- it's taking Wilson some time, but I think he's a solid as could be for a nickle-back... Also, bringing in our two Safeties was huge- we now have two of the hardest hitting DBs in football.

Rex reminds me of Parcells- A ground and pound, with great defense-- where these two men separate is "cut throat." Rex' style is to believe in his players and coach them up// Parcells was not like that at all- in fact he would often coach people down.. but, he didn't want to be your friend; he instilled a locker room that knew "They'll always be someone behind you ready to step up and take your job."<<< this is the biggest weakness of Rex'... that he's not 'cut throat.'.... but can you really blame him? his style has worked more times than not- it's just a shame our QB couldn't handle it.

So that's it- my two cents.. I strictly believe Rex gives us the best chance to win IN 2014.

Excellent Post.:

[Greentide]

Rex is all show and little substance. He's made and continues to make about every mistake you can as a HC. His poor judgement also reflects in his personal life shenanigans, which make him as well as the organization he represents look like buffoons.

[ARodFLKeysJetsFan]

Originally Posted by Jet Genius

Hello everyone, I know I don't post as often as I used to (or like for that matter), but I find it important to start this thread considering the amount of changes in line.

In order to appreciate this 'point of view', we all must be on the same level. So here it is: WOODY WANTS THE NEW YORK SUPERBOWL.

That's it. Clean cut. Black and White. Clear as day.

Now. Usually, when an owner fires a GM it means a new GM will comes in and CLEAN HOUSE. I agree with that philosophy, as do most other people because frankly, it's the best way to do things; especially if you're targeting a valued GM- one who would WANT to sign a new coaching staff and call it his.. It works that way with everything, not just professional sports; Anytime someone is asked to be the "boss" they want to surround themselves with people they know and trust- not too many people want to step into a situation where they "have to get along" with everyone.

So based on this decision by Woody- we can honestly say "This is the wrong move."

Woody has fired the GM and OC (and others), but insists he wants Rex as the HC.. this RARELY works.. Most would say you need to either FIRE EVERYONE or KEEP EVERYONE (well, maybe not Sparano).

The reason behind this is because Woody wants a New York Superbowl.

If he were to CLEAN HOUSE- then there would be an even less chance of making the Superbowl in 2014. A rebuilding stage is OBSOLETE for this franchise, especially this year.

Rex is keeping his job because:

1) Say what you will, but he IS one of the best defensive minds in all of football and that's really NEVER going to change. Ever.

2) His first two seasons they were 30mins away from the Superbowl.

3) He didn't clean house when he showed up.

Rex' biggest attribute and ironically, his Achilles heal is his LOYALTY AND TRUST. His style is like no other. He coaches people up- that's who he is.. He CREATED people like Bart Scott because he tells people that he believes in them. He's extremely confident in that approach and it's the reason why he picks people up like AARON MAYBIN & Santonio Holmes & Braylon Edwards- bc when everyone else doesn't believe in you, he has a way of getting the best out of you.

This is the sole reason why he stayed with Sanchez for so long; TRUST... He cannot let Mark know that he doesn't believe in him anymore.. Now, there could be a lot more to it than just that (concerning Mark) because he is the franchise QB drafted #5 overall who is making 8M per year. That has a lot to do with it also- if you were to bench him, his trade value will drop; that's a bad combination when your QB is the highest paid player on the team. Sanchez is forced to be QB so that he can audition for other teams.


When Rex was hired 4 years ago He did NOT clean house... which is what most HC's would have done... He kept Brian Schottenheimer and Mike Westoff and pretty much instilled a perennial, aggressive LOUD MOUTH Defense-- We had a nice offense at the time- the line had probowlers, our fullback was incredible, LT was out to prove something-- Our lights out defense combined with our marginal offense and good STs is why we ever stood a chance... last year the defense was stellar- but the offense and ST sucked... not to mention losing our best player on defense and our best player on offense didn't help.

I know a lot of you will say: "Mangini left Rex all that nice talent." Well, maybe that's true- however the defense was not nearly as good until Rex kicked the door in... & btw, most would've assumed Rex would draft a defensive player as his first duty, but they didn't.. they took a QB. That's how confident they were in Rex's defensive coaching.

Not to mention, the people Rex has drafted are turning out pretty damn good... A lot of us liked John Connor a lot, it's too bad he's gone he couldn't stay healthy... Shonn Greene is still our #1- a lot of you don't like him, but he led the nation in rushing yards in Iowa and he flat out runs people over- he is a ground and pound back.. Quinton Coples is the real deal and so is Mo Wilkerson- that's all Rex... So is Kyle Wilson- I know a lot of you hate him, but hey the Jets didn't allow ONE 100-yard receiver all year- it's taking Wilson some time, but I think he's a solid as could be for a nickle-back... Also, bringing in our two Safeties was huge- we now have two of the hardest hitting DBs in football.

Rex reminds me of Parcells- A ground and pound, with great defense-- where these two men separate is "cut throat." Rex' style is to believe in his players and coach them up// Parcells was not like that at all- in fact he would often coach people down.. but, he didn't want to be your friend; he instilled a locker room that knew "They'll always be someone behind you ready to step up and take your job."<<< this is the biggest weakness of Rex'... that he's not 'cut throat.'.... but can you really blame him? his style has worked more times than not- it's just a shame our QB couldn't handle it.

So that's it- my two cents.. I strictly believe Rex gives us the best chance to win IN 2014.

Well said and I agree 100%.

[JetsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Greentide

Rex is all show and little substance. He's made and continues to make about every mistake you can as a HC. His poor judgement also reflects in his personal life shenanigans, which make him as well as the organization he represents look like buffoons.

That's BS. In 4 years as HC, 2 playoff runs & only 1 losing season. He deserves another year at least. We can't keep changing coaches every 3 or 4 years.

[parafly]

In my opinion, Rex is not HC material and should have stayed a DC for the duration of his career. His flaws and weaknesses have been well documented, and in my opinion, he had a very large hand in shaping the roster alongside of Tannenbaum and leading the team to its current state.

The bottom line ... Rex has grounded and pounded this team into the bottom of the league. His philosophy is outdated and his conduct as the face of the franchise is unprofessional. The sooner he is replaced, the sooner the Jets can build toward becoming a contending team again.

[DDNYjets]

Do you not watch the games as much as you used to as well?

Woody wants a NY SB. Got it.

[jxc]

Originally Posted by Jet Genius

2) His first two seasons they were 30mins away from the Superbowl.

This euphemism needs to be used more often. How many minutes away from the Super Bowl were the Jets in 2011 and 2012?

The facts are the more influence Rex has had on the team the worse it has become in almost every way.

[pcola]

I agree that Woody wants a Super Bowl next season. Here is the problem, Woody needs someone to be honest with him.

Tanny was fired because 2012. In reality, Tanny should have fired for the state of the team going into 2013.

Right now Rex is telling Woody that the team is going to attack and compete, blah, blah, blah.

What he should be telling Woody that the cap situation is so bad, we are probably going to set an NFL record for most undrafted free agents on a roster.

The following are Free Agents
Greene
Slauson
Moore
Howard (Restricted)
Keller
Edwards
Schilens
Cumberland (RFA)

So that is our starting RB, 3 OL starters, top 2 TEs, and 2vet WRs.

Now our D:
DeVito
Thomas
Mauga (RFA)
Bell
Landry

So that's 10 starters and we have the worst cap situation in the league.

Oh and we are replacing all 3 coordinators. I know, we promoted from within. Great, our STs were the worst I have seen since Kotite was here. Good call.

Even by cutting Pace, Both Smiths, Scott, and Pouha we will only have around $15M to sign our draft class and replace all of these roster spots.

I didn't even mention Folk.

Anyone telling Woody we have a shot at winning anything next year is lying to the man's face.

So now Woody is looking at hiring a GM who if its not Cohen will still not be the best candidate. If its Cohen, then he is going to alienate a good majority of the fan base.

I honestly think we will compete for the #1 pick next year. Tom Brady couldn't help the 2013 Jets.

Woody should have made a clean sweep and then kept his mouth Shut during the interviews.

wake up Jet fans, it's 1995 all over again.

[thebigragu]

Originally Posted by jetswin

I'm still on board with Rex however I do find him to be very bizarre.

Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk 2

And there you have it. Smoke em if you got em/ end thread

[JaxSuzy]

Jesus Christ, dudes, quit making all of these threads 25 pages long! I hardly have time to read all the pages I missed so that I can respond. It's already affecting McGinley's confidence - He thinks Demos and I are gone, when it's just that we're getting buried in JI paperwork LOLOL!

Originally Posted by 32green

After this week? No. I think he wants Rex Ryan to like him. Thats what I think.

Pure and simple.
-

This is it exactly - pure and simple.

Originally Posted by McGinley

Woody WANTS to win a Superbowl, but he doesn't know football so how can he possibly know if Rex is the guy that can do so? Rex has fooled Woody into thinking he's some genius with all his bombastic swagger and smooth talk. Rex promises things to us every damn year and he has FAILED to do so. And now he's getting a pass after failing for 4 years? WHAT!?

> Promise things for 4 years
> Fail every single year
> Get vote of confidence from Owner, have him think you're a genius

I know you hate it when I agree with you, McG, but you're spot on right here. Rex = empty promises

[zensum]

Originally Posted by Jet Genius

Hello everyone, I know I don't post as often as I used to (or like for that matter), but I find it important to start this thread considering the amount of changes in line.

In order to appreciate this 'point of view', we all must be on the same level. So here it is: WOODY WANTS THE NEW YORK SUPERBOWL.

That's it. Clean cut. Black and White. Clear as day.

Now. Usually, when an owner fires a GM it means a new GM will comes in and CLEAN HOUSE. I agree with that philosophy, as do most other people because frankly, it's the best way to do things; especially if you're targeting a valued GM- one who would WANT to sign a new coaching staff and call it his.. It works that way with everything, not just professional sports; Anytime someone is asked to be the "boss" they want to surround themselves with people they know and trust- not too many people want to step into a situation where they "have to get along" with everyone.

So based on this decision by Woody- we can honestly say "This is the wrong move."

Woody has fired the GM and OC (and others), but insists he wants Rex as the HC.. this RARELY works.. Most would say you need to either FIRE EVERYONE or KEEP EVERYONE (well, maybe not Sparano).

The reason behind this is because Woody wants a New York Superbowl.

If he were to CLEAN HOUSE- then there would be an even less chance of making the Superbowl in 2014. A rebuilding stage is OBSOLETE for this franchise, especially this year.

Rex is keeping his job because:

1) Say what you will, but he IS one of the best defensive minds in all of football and that's really NEVER going to change. Ever.

2) His first two seasons they were 30mins away from the Superbowl.

3) He didn't clean house when he showed up.

Rex' biggest attribute and ironically, his Achilles heal is his LOYALTY AND TRUST. His style is like no other. He coaches people up- that's who he is.. He CREATED people like Bart Scott because he tells people that he believes in them. He's extremely confident in that approach and it's the reason why he picks people up like AARON MAYBIN & Santonio Holmes & Braylon Edwards- bc when everyone else doesn't believe in you, he has a way of getting the best out of you.

This is the sole reason why he stayed with Sanchez for so long; TRUST... He cannot let Mark know that he doesn't believe in him anymore.. Now, there could be a lot more to it than just that (concerning Mark) because he is the franchise QB drafted #5 overall who is making 8M per year. That has a lot to do with it also- if you were to bench him, his trade value will drop; that's a bad combination when your QB is the highest paid player on the team. Sanchez is forced to be QB so that he can audition for other teams.


When Rex was hired 4 years ago He did NOT clean house... which is what most HC's would have done... He kept Brian Schottenheimer and Mike Westoff and pretty much instilled a perennial, aggressive LOUD MOUTH Defense-- We had a nice offense at the time- the line had probowlers, our fullback was incredible, LT was out to prove something-- Our lights out defense combined with our marginal offense and good STs is why we ever stood a chance... last year the defense was stellar- but the offense and ST sucked... not to mention losing our best player on defense and our best player on offense didn't help.

I know a lot of you will say: "Mangini left Rex all that nice talent." Well, maybe that's true- however the defense was not nearly as good until Rex kicked the door in... & btw, most would've assumed Rex would draft a defensive player as his first duty, but they didn't.. they took a QB. That's how confident they were in Rex's defensive coaching.

Not to mention, the people Rex has drafted are turning out pretty damn good... A lot of us liked John Connor a lot, it's too bad he's gone he couldn't stay healthy... Shonn Greene is still our #1- a lot of you don't like him, but he led the nation in rushing yards in Iowa and he flat out runs people over- he is a ground and pound back.. Quinton Coples is the real deal and so is Mo Wilkerson- that's all Rex... So is Kyle Wilson- I know a lot of you hate him, but hey the Jets didn't allow ONE 100-yard receiver all year- it's taking Wilson some time, but I think he's a solid as could be for a nickle-back... Also, bringing in our two Safeties was huge- we now have two of the hardest hitting DBs in football.

Rex reminds me of Parcells- A ground and pound, with great defense-- where these two men separate is "cut throat." Rex' style is to believe in his players and coach them up// Parcells was not like that at all- in fact he would often coach people down.. but, he didn't want to be your friend; he instilled a locker room that knew "They'll always be someone behind you ready to step up and take your job."<<< this is the biggest weakness of Rex'... that he's not 'cut throat.'.... but can you really blame him? his style has worked more times than not- it's just a shame our QB couldn't handle it.

So that's it- my two cents.. I strictly believe Rex gives us the best chance to win IN 2014.

Agreed.

[JaxSuzy]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

Yeah because all his posts are .gifs or stupid 18 year old " Yoiz kiddin me DoE" horrible Internet talk. When the kid tries to make serious posts, he embarrasses himself.

I blame that on his coaching staff. You guys have got to get better at evaluating internet talent!

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Jet Genius

Do you know that NO ONE EVER (that's in the history of football) EVER went to the Superbowl as a Rookie HC??? he almost went in his first two years and had a rookie QB with the same personnel as the HC who proceeded him.. You can't say that's not impressive.

Don McCafferty Super Bowl V...he won it

George Seifert Super Bowl XXIV..he won it

Jim Caldwell Super Bowl XLIV...he lost it

in the history of football, there have been other rookie head coaches to win the NFL title but that's pre -Super Bowl

[DDNYjets]

Originally Posted by Joker

Don McCafferty Super Bowl V...he won it

George Seifert Super Bowl XXIV..he won it

Jim Caldwell Super Bowl XLIV...he lost it

in the history of football, there have been other rookie head coaches to win the NFL title but that's pre -Super Bowl

Barry Switzer. Although he was a college HC.

[Warfish]

I still believe in Rex's potential.

But at this point, four years in, he's on his final year with me.

A Deep Playoff Run in 2013, or I'll be a part of the chorus wishing him gone.

Or....

If he starts Mark Sanchez week 1 in 2013, I may get a head start.

[RMJK]

Originally Posted by Warfish

I still believe in Rex's potential.

But at this point, four years in, he's on his final year with me.

A Deep Playoff Run in 2013, or I'll be a part of the chorus wishing him gone.

Or....

If he starts Mark Sanchez week 1 in 2013, I may get a head start.

I think Rex remarks about building a team nobody wants to play will be his evaluation mantra. They better draft some real nasty players.

[SAR I]

Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013

hahaha only 5%???? Just when I thought you couldnt say anything more stupid, you pull this shocker.. Dont make me dig up your posts from all season of you defending Marky even when he was averaging 4 picks/fumbles a game.

When Mark wasnt terrible, but still not very good, we made it to AFCCG games twice. Last year he was near bottom of the leauge, we went 8-8. This year he was the worst qb in the league and we went 6-10. Notice the trend? Look at the difference Peyton manning has made with the exact same Denver team - HUGE difference..Look at the difference this year redskins,seahawks, Colts, compare their year last year. Every year including this year, teams that make the playoffs have good qbs. You can say SF doesnt have a great qb, but 2 of their qbs are easily better than sanchez. I know your a little slow but its a quarterback league.. You cant have a good offense if your qb is turning the ball over twice as much as he is throwing a TD. Its impossible! I dont see how any qb can play worse than Sanchez did this year so Jets should atleast be 8-8 with any one else. Funny though before woody realized what a terrible gm MT was he poisioned the Jets with Sanchez 1 more year for no reason and without a suitable backup, and little cap space to do much else. The only thing that is keeping this team from being a 2 win team is Rex's D.

Here we go again. Comparing any quarterback to Peyton Manning is ridiculous. "Look at Peyton Manning and what he did to Denver! See, it's the quarterback!"

Duh, really?

Mark Sanchez played very well his first two years, had success, was on his way to developing into a very nice second-tier NFL QB.

And then his head coach decided to take all the money and all the draft picks and dump it on his beloved defense. Because, as we fully well know, that's what defensive coordinators with a penchant for bad decision-making do. They indulge themselves with what they know instead of challeging themselves on what they don't.

Rex even said it himself. "I need to put my prints on the entire team" is code for "Oops, I forgot Mark needed receivers and a running game and an offensive line and an offensive coordinator and didn't need a celebrity looking over his shoulder every day."

Memo. Get it.

SAR I

[SONNY WERBLIN]

Originally Posted by SAR I

Here we go again. Comparing any quarterback to Peyton Manning is ridiculous. "Look at Peyton Manning and what he did to Denver! See, it's the quarterback!"

Duh, really?

Mark Sanchez played very well his first two years, had success, was on his way to developing into a very nice second-tier NFL QB.

And then his head coach decided to take all the money and all the draft picks and dump it on his beloved defense. Because, as we fully well know, that's what defensive coordinators with a penchant for bad decision-making do. They indulge themselves with what they know instead of challeging themselves on what they don't.

Rex even said it himself. "I need to put my prints on the entire team" is code for "Oops, I forgot Mark needed receivers and a running game and an offensive line and an offensive coordinator and didn't need a celebrity looking over his shoulder every day."

Memo. Get it.

SAR I

We agree on some things, disagree on others, and for the most part when we disagree, I can respect your point of view. But, you always lose me here. I was, up until this season unfolded, hopeful Sanchez would develop into a second tier QB, but to say Mark Sanchez played very well his first two years, is IMO delusional. He played well in the 4th quarter in a stretch of games in his second year where he led a number of comebacks. He did NOT "play very well in his first two years".

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Barry Switzer. Although he was a college HC.

and Barry inherited a team only Norv Turner could not take to the super bowl