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doggin94it · 01-11-2013, 11:02 AM

My six selections (plus 1 senior nominee) in bold:

Michael Strahan
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Jonathon Ogden
Jerome Bettis
Tim Brown
Chris Carter
Andre Reed
Charles Haley
Kevin Greene
Will Shields
Aeneas Williams
Bill Parcells
Eddie DeBartolo Jr.
Art Modell

Senior nominees:
Curley Culp
Dave Robinson

johnnysd · 01-11-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by doggin94it

My six selections (plus 1 senior nominee) in bold:

Michael Strahan
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Jonathon Ogden
Jerome Bettis
Tim Brown
Chris Carter
Andre Reed
Charles Haley
Kevin Greene
Will Shields
Aeneas Williams
Bill Parcells
Eddie DeBartolo Jr.
Art Modell

Senior nominees:
Curley Culp
Dave Robinson

Not a very impressive list. Almost everyone seems pretty marginal.

crasherino · 01-11-2013, 11:55 AM

Jonathan Ogden was as good a LT as I've ever seen. I think he deserves to be a first ballot HOFer. I haven't looked it up, but my guess is that he would have been All Pro in most years during his prime.

If I had to choose between Allen and Ogden, I'd probably go with Ogden, on account of the position (although Allen played Guard and Tackle). But, Larry Allen was fantastic and was the best player on those Cowboy Offensive Lines that were probably the best sustained O-lines in the recent history of the NFL.

I'm drawing a blank as to who played LT, but with Nate Newton and Larry Allen at Guard, Stepnoski at Center and Erik Williams at RT, I could have broken a rushing record too.

Edit: Mark Tuinei played LT, I think.

Fishooked · 01-11-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by doggin94it

My six selections (plus 1 senior nominee) in bold:

Michael Strahan
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Jonathon Ogden
Jerome Bettis
Tim Brown
Chris Carter
Andre Reed
Charles Haley
Kevin Greene
Will Shields
Aeneas Williams
Bill Parcells
Eddie DeBartolo Jr.
Art Modell

Senior nominees:
Curley Culp
Dave Robinson

Still annoyed over that Tim Brown 1000 catch fiasco on the field in Oakland that year ....what a circus.

McGinley · 01-11-2013, 12:44 PM

Carter will get snubbed again.

James Hasty · 01-11-2013, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggin94it

My six selections (plus 1 senior nominee) in bold:

Michael Strahan
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Jonathon Ogden
Jerome Bettis
Tim Brown
Chris Carter
Andre Reed
Charles Haley
Kevin Greene
Will Shields
Aeneas Williams
Bill Parcells
Eddie DeBartolo Jr.
Art Modell

Senior nominees:
Curley Culp
Dave Robinson

Only five current nominees can get in (not six).

My picks

Bill Parcells
Michael Strahan
Will Shields
Jonathan Ogden
Cris Carter

DDNYjets · 01-11-2013, 01:23 PM

Strahan, Allen, Ogden are shoe-ins IMO.

Parcells should get in but I don't know if they voters are still punishing him.

RMJK · 01-11-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnysd

Not a very impressive list. Almost everyone seems pretty marginal.

Seems like quite a few good candidates eg., Bettis, Sapp, Carter...

JetFan - ATL · 01-11-2013, 01:31 PM

Sanchez
Tebow
Ducasse
Scott

and REX

doggin94it · 01-11-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crasherino

Jonathan Ogden was as good a LT as I've ever seen. I think he deserves to be a first ballot HOFer. I haven't looked it up, but my guess is that he would have been All Pro in most years during his prime.

If I had to choose between Allen and Ogden, I'd probably go with Ogden, on account of the position (although Allen played Guard and Tackle). But, Larry Allen was fantastic and was the best player on those Cowboy Offensive Lines that were probably the best sustained O-lines in the recent history of the NFL.

I'm drawing a blank as to who played LT, but with Nate Newton and Larry Allen at Guard, Stepnoski at Center and Erik Williams at RT, I could have broken a rushing record too.

Edit: Mark Tuinei played LT, I think.

IMO Larry Allen was the most dominant OL in history. People would fake injury to avoid playing against him:

Quote:

"Guys will look to find a way out when they have to play him," Strahan said. "The saddest thing is how many players will watch him on film during the week and then, as the game gets closer, they pull up with some mysterious injury or flu or something. We call that catching 'Allen-itis.' He doesn't just block people, he hurts people," said Strahan.

johnnysd · 01-11-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RMJK

Seems like quite a few good candidates eg., Bettis, Sapp, Carter...

I think SAPP is a HOF'er, but I dont think Bettis and Carter are at all.

crasherino · 01-11-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by doggin94it

IMO Larry Allen was the most dominant OL in history. People would fake injury to avoid playing against him:

I initially forgot that Allen switched over to Tackle. I always had him in my mind as a Guard. As a Guard, specifically, I don't remember anyone better.

I guess when I compare the two, the only knock (which isn't a knock) was that Allen played on the most dominant line of his time - Ogden was a dominant OL on an otherwise non-descript Oline, which makes his dominance a little more special.

But both probably deserve to be 1st balloters, IMO.

Warfish · 01-11-2013, 01:55 PM

Joe Klecko > Mike "Daytime TV" Strahan, Warren Sapp and Keven Greene.

JMHorriblybiasedO

chirorob · 01-11-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crasherino

I initially forgot that Allen switched over to Tackle. I always had him in my mind as a Guard. As a Guard, specifically, I don't remember anyone better.

I guess when I compare the two, the only knock (which isn't a knock) was that Allen played on the most dominant line of his time - Ogden was a dominant OL on an otherwise non-descript Oline, which makes his dominance a little more special.

But both probably deserve to be 1st balloters, IMO.

I remember towards the end of Ogden's career, he had a bad day against Dwight Freeney, and gave up 2 sacks. They asked Freeney if he had looked at tape to see how other people beat Ogden, and Freeney said he looked at tons of tape, but couldn't find anyone who had beaten Ogden for a sack. He just got an injured, almost retired Jonathan.

He played left tackle, dominated the run, and went years between giving up a sack. Years. The biggest LT I have seen, but he actually had great feet, great technique, everything.

If you could put Ogden and Larry Allen next to each other, you could literally run 50 times a game for 250 yards. There is literally nothing that could stop you.

chirorob · 01-11-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Warfish

Joe Klecko > Mike "Daytime TV" Strahan, Warren Sapp and Keven Greene.

JMHorriblybiasedO

But not for long enough.

crasherino · 01-11-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chirorob

I remember towards the end of Ogden's career, he had a bad day against Dwight Freeney, and gave up 2 sacks. They asked Freeney if he had looked at tape to see how other people beat Ogden, and Freeney said he looked at tons of tape, but couldn't find anyone who had beaten Ogden for a sack. He just got an injured, almost retired Jonathan.

He played left tackle, dominated the run, and went years between giving up a sack. Years. The biggest LT I have seen, but he actually had great feet, great technique, everything.

If you could put Ogden and Larry Allen next to each other, you could literally run 50 times a game for 250 yards. There is literally nothing that could stop you.

Agreed - The absolute prototypes for LT and Guard respectively.

Seagirt · 01-11-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnysd

Not a very impressive list. Almost everyone seems pretty marginal.

not true. Jonathan Ogdan was a mainstay and All pro at LT for many years.
Worthy of HOF.
Also, I like Cris Carter ( 130 td catches)
and Bill Parcells.

James Hasty · 01-11-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by doggin94it

IMO Larry Allen was the most dominant OL in history. People would fake injury to avoid playing against him:

Shields > Allen

Longer career, only missed on game, more pro bowls, more all pro seasons.

Shields should have been first ballot but had to wait a year. Larry should wait a year as well.

Traitor Jay & the Woodies · 01-11-2013, 04:08 PM

Klecko will never get in and it's really too bad. If that 82 or 86 team won the SB and he'd have made it years ago.

RMJK · 01-11-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnysd

I think SAPP is a HOF'er, but I dont think Bettis and Carter are at all.

Sapp was dominant at the position. I wish the Jets had him. He did have a bad attitude at times so maybe I'll give you this one.

Carter was one of the greatest receivers I've ever seen. If the game was an important one, he would catch everything that was catchable. He was spectacular. He could stretchout like no other receiver could.

01-11-2013, 11:02 AM	#1
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,395	Hall of Fame Finalists My six selections (plus 1 senior nominee) in bold: Michael Strahan Larry Allen Warren Sapp Jonathon Ogden Jerome Bettis Tim Brown Chris Carter Andre Reed Charles Haley Kevin Greene Will Shields Aeneas Williams Bill Parcells Eddie DeBartolo Jr. Art Modell Senior nominees: Curley Culp Dave Robinson

01-11-2013, 11:55 AM	#3
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,812	Jonathan Ogden was as good a LT as I've ever seen. I think he deserves to be a first ballot HOFer. I haven't looked it up, but my guess is that he would have been All Pro in most years during his prime. If I had to choose between Allen and Ogden, I'd probably go with Ogden, on account of the position (although Allen played Guard and Tackle). But, Larry Allen was fantastic and was the best player on those Cowboy Offensive Lines that were probably the best sustained O-lines in the recent history of the NFL. I'm drawing a blank as to who played LT, but with Nate Newton and Larry Allen at Guard, Stepnoski at Center and Erik Williams at RT, I could have broken a rushing record too. Edit: Mark Tuinei played LT, I think. Last edited by crasherino; 01-11-2013 at 12:00 PM.

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McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,446	Carter will get snubbed again.

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DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,239	Strahan, Allen, Ogden are shoe-ins IMO. Parcells should get in but I don't know if they voters are still punishing him.

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JetFan - ATL Wanting to win a SB before I die! JET FAN since 1970. Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 229	Sanchez Tebow Ducasse Scott and REX

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Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	Joe Klecko > Mike "Daytime TV" Strahan, Warren Sapp and Keven Greene. JMHorriblybiasedO

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Traitor Jay & the Woodies is down with the cause. Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: The Eternal Blackness of My Mind Posts: 3,703	Klecko will never get in and it's really too bad. If that 82 or 86 team won the SB and he'd have made it years ago.