Is the Patriots offense a "gimmick" offense - Jets Insider.com Forums

rmeyer52 · 01-14-2013, 08:12 AM

Before the Patriots had even advanced, Brendon Ayanbadejo turned up the heat on Baltimore-New England. Ayanbadejo, who has spent the last five seasons with Baltimore, lashed out at the Patriots for what he calls a "gimmick" offense. He said that it's something he can't respect, and he even compared the Pats' no-huddle, hurry-up approach to a cheap shot before a fight. It looked briefly like Ayanbadejo might save himself by saying that the Patriots' offense is good enough to be successful without such a gameplan, but any sliver of goodwill he might have gained among Pats fans with that comment quickly vanished when he started making references to Spygate and New England's 18-1 season.

Tai Mai Shu · 01-14-2013, 08:19 AM

I didn't know you're not allow to run gimmick play in the NFL.

long island leprechaun · 01-14-2013, 08:19 AM

Yeah, a gimmick that works. How the Pats manage to run that hurry-up, no huddle without illegal procedure penalties is astonishing. You need a Tom Brady to run it though. Lots of lightning quick decisions and need for very disciplined players. Most teams couldn't run it.

DDNYjets · 01-14-2013, 08:21 AM

I wish we had that gimmick offense.

Tai Mai Shu · 01-14-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

I wish we had that gimmick offense.

We do, just not good at it.

eaglenj · 01-14-2013, 08:25 AM

What dumb thing for this guy to say....

Amazing that players still give out bulletin board material like this.

Real gimmick over there to think "Our offense is unreal, lets try to run even more plays for it"

NY's stepchild · 01-14-2013, 08:28 AM

I've noticed that they run picks on every play. I doubt we would get away with that, but I'd be willing to try.

NYJ37/12 · 01-14-2013, 08:28 AM

The biggest issue I have with the Pats O is that they use illegal picks on almost every play and are never called.

Borgoguy · 01-14-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

I wish we had that gimmick offense.

Notice how the Pats lose Gronk at TE, but have Hernandez right behind him. We lose Keller and our "replacements" are a bunch of talentlessw scrubs who can't buy a completion.

Another "gimmick" is its designer, Bellicheat. For as long as he's ben here, folks have been screaming about splitting McKnight out wide. For some reason, Rex and the "confederacy of dunces" we've had as our offensive coaching staff just don't/can't recognize its validity. What does Bellicheat do? He adds another wrinkle to the "gimmick offense" by splitting Vereen out at receiver and getting a mismatch (LB in coverage) for a key TD.

Face it, folks. hate to say it, but New England is the gold standard, whilst our team is a pewter-lead aggregate with no hope of developing a successful "gimmick". I just sit and wait until Brady/Bellicheat finally retire. Until then, we have no shot.

Big L · 01-14-2013, 08:34 AM

Unfortunately, nothing illegal about what the Patriots do.

It works, and so they keep doing it.

Exploit every weakness to your advantage.

I wish the Jets had this sort of cut-throat mentality. To put the hammer down on an opponent from the opening kick to the final gun. It's a game, and you play to win, so play 60 hard minutes, regardless if the score is 3-0 or 30-0.

Ha, Freud would say Patriot envy.

Tai Mai Shu · 01-14-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NYJ37/12

The biggest issue I have with the Pats O is that they use illegal picks on almost every play and are never called.

Define an illegal pick.

LeonM · 01-14-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NY's stepchild

I've noticed that they run picks on every play. I doubt we would get away with that, but I'd be willing to try.

The picks are more of a problem than the quick no huddle. I saw Aaron Hernandez run over a player in the open field yesterday. Just knock him down and then you are open.

The Pats are notorious for taking every advantage they can get. They actually practice and perfect illegal tactics. It's not sour grapes. Football is war. The quick snap offense is very effective. Brady is a master at it. Specifically the QB sneak. I think he has the highest conversion rate in NFL history when it comes to converting on QB sneaks something along the lines of 99.3 percent.

Tai Mai Shu · 01-14-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonM

The picks are more of a problem than the quick no huddle. I saw Aaron Hernandez run over a player in the open field yesterday. Just knock him down and then you are open.

The Pats are notorious for taking every advantage they can get. They actually practice and perfect illegal tactics. It's not sour grapes. Football is war. The quick snap offense is very effective. Brady is a master at it. Specifically the QB sneak. I think he has the highest conversion rate in NFL history when it comes to converting on QB sneaks something along the lines of 99.3 percent.

But he was flagged for an offensive passing interference so there's nothing illegal there.

mphtrilogy · 01-14-2013, 08:47 AM

the only gimmick is Tom Brady

he is unreal...

CleatMarks · 01-14-2013, 09:07 AM

Excuses for losers to lament

1) it's the refs
2) they're lucky
3) gimmick offense
5) hope someone else beats them

First, the guy is a special teamer so maybe he's a gimmick player.

Second, the guy talks about lining up man on man but he can't even crack the lineup and he wants to go man on man against Mankins?

He's a dope.

LeonM · 01-14-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tai Mai Shu

But he was flagged for an offensive passing interference so there's nothing illegal there.

It happened twice. It was called once. I also saw the pick play utilized atleast 5 times during yesterday's game.

Tai Mai Shu · 01-14-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonM

It happened twice. It was called once. I also saw the pick play utilized atleast 5 times during yesterday's game.

Are you saying pick plays are illegal?

stanner · 01-14-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tai Mai Shu

But he was flagged for an offensive passing interference so there's nothing illegal there.

Flag=illegal

adpz · 01-14-2013, 09:19 AM

The Bills ran a largely hurry-up offense to four Superbowls. The Pats do make a bit more of a 'gimmick' out of it, but it works because they run the plays tightly and because Brady almost always reads the right option.

Definitely some near-illegal picks on some plays but - hey - if it's not called there is nothing anyone can do about it. I thought the refs called a pretty even game yesterday.

CleatMarks · 01-14-2013, 09:19 AM

The Pariots use picks but Manning is the king of picks. Has no one noticed that before? Most of his sets use stacked receivers and picks.

01-14-2013, 08:12 AM	#1
rmeyer52 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California Posts: 2,709	Is the Patriots offense a "gimmick" offense Before the Patriots had even advanced, Brendon Ayanbadejo turned up the heat on Baltimore-New England. Ayanbadejo, who has spent the last five seasons with Baltimore, lashed out at the Patriots for what he calls a "gimmick" offense. He said that it's something he can't respect, and he even compared the Pats' no-huddle, hurry-up approach to a cheap shot before a fight. It looked briefly like Ayanbadejo might save himself by saying that the Patriots' offense is good enough to be successful without such a gameplan, but any sliver of goodwill he might have gained among Pats fans with that comment quickly vanished when he started making references to Spygate and New England's 18-1 season.

01-14-2013, 08:19 AM	#2
Tai Mai Shu Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 168	I didn't know you're not allow to run gimmick play in the NFL.

01-14-2013, 08:19 AM	#3
long island leprechaun Don't mess with Angel Eyes. All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: greenwich village, NYC Posts: 7,241	Yeah, a gimmick that works. How the Pats manage to run that hurry-up, no huddle without illegal procedure penalties is astonishing. You need a Tom Brady to run it though. Lots of lightning quick decisions and need for very disciplined players. Most teams couldn't run it.

01-14-2013, 08:21 AM	#4
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,294	I wish we had that gimmick offense.

01-14-2013, 08:25 AM	#6
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,839	What dumb thing for this guy to say.... Amazing that players still give out bulletin board material like this. Real gimmick over there to think "Our offense is unreal, lets try to run even more plays for it"

01-14-2013, 08:28 AM	#7
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,714	I've noticed that they run picks on every play. I doubt we would get away with that, but I'd be willing to try.

01-14-2013, 08:28 AM	#8
NYJ37/12 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,656	The biggest issue I have with the Pats O is that they use illegal picks on almost every play and are never called.

01-14-2013, 08:34 AM	#10
Big L Plus six thousand posts Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It's all relative Posts: 1,064	Unfortunately, nothing illegal about what the Patriots do. It works, and so they keep doing it. Exploit every weakness to your advantage. I wish the Jets had this sort of cut-throat mentality. To put the hammer down on an opponent from the opening kick to the final gun. It's a game, and you play to win, so play 60 hard minutes, regardless if the score is 3-0 or 30-0. Ha, Freud would say Patriot envy.

01-14-2013, 08:47 AM	#14
mphtrilogy Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 198	the only gimmick is Tom Brady he is unreal...

01-14-2013, 09:07 AM	#15
CleatMarks All League Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,605	Excuses for losers to lament 1) it's the refs 2) they're lucky 3) gimmick offense 5) hope someone else beats them First, the guy is a special teamer so maybe he's a gimmick player. Second, the guy talks about lining up man on man but he can't even crack the lineup and he wants to go man on man against Mankins? He's a dope.

01-14-2013, 09:19 AM	#19
adpz Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,002	The Bills ran a largely hurry-up offense to four Superbowls. The Pats do make a bit more of a 'gimmick' out of it, but it works because they run the plays tightly and because Brady almost always reads the right option. Definitely some near-illegal picks on some plays but - hey - if it's not called there is nothing anyone can do about it. I thought the refs called a pretty even game yesterday.