The Denver loss validates Tebow's ability to just Win

[Mogglez]

Originally Posted by vinniekt

My agenda is wins, thats it, I don't care how he does it.

And if he does do something at the end of a game you can bet your ass he should take the credit, the same way Peyton "Choking" Manning should get pounced on for throwing a virtual game ending INT. Winners win losers lose.

Lmao. Peyton may have that terrible record in the playoffs but he still has a Super Bowl ring. The other might be doing missionary work during next season. Tebow is not better than Manning you f'ng moron. He never will be. Manning was still the right choice for the broncos. The fact that his thread is still open as if its actually up for debate is absolutely laughable.

Using you're logic Mark Sanchez was absolutely the right choice this year because he has 4 playoff wins.

[cant wait]

Originally Posted by Snell41

No, HE did not. THEY did.

the most laughable thing about these tebow jokers is that they seem to have no idea that football is the ultimate TEAM game. I guess when you just root for a specific player instead of a TEAM you might lose sight of that

[Vin]

What the hell is the point of this thread anyway??


Vinniekt spent about 95% of this entire thread shoved up Teblow's ass....


But Teblow is pretty much a goner at this point.

And what pisses me off is that the Jets are slow in acquiring their GM so that they can then move on and show the Tebow the door.....

In the meantime, this "clown", along with Demos adding his 1-cent in, is doing nothing but TROLLING about how "great" Teblow is...

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by Vin

What the hell is the point of this thread anyway??


Vinniekt spent about 95% of this entire thread shoved up Teblow's ass....


But Teblow is pretty much a goner at this point.

And what pisses me off is that the Jets are slow in acquiring their GM so that they can then move on and show the Tebow the door.....

In the meantime, this "clown", along with Demos adding his 1-cent in, is doing nothing but TROLLING about how "great" Teblow is...

Go back and reread some of my posts in this thread and in others Vin. What you will NOT find is me talking about how "GREAT" Tebow is. What I have said is that he CAN BE a good QB, and I've defended the successes that he has had so far.

Like the Jets game. I haven't argued that he was an all pro. Fact is that he didn't do well for most the game. BUT, in the end, when it came crunch time, the kid delivered.

IF he can ever become consistent and played entire games the way he plays in the last 5 minutes of most games, he could be very successful and give a lot of NFL teams a hell of a lot of trouble.

[isired]

I don't see the logic. Any team can beat any other in a single game, it happens. Especially in the playoffs. If you look at the bigger sample of this season over last season, it's pretty easy to see the difference. I mean it's basically the same Denver team, minus Orton/Tebow, plus Manning, right?

I didn't want Tebow, thought it was a terrible thing to do with our QB situation (of course, at that time I expected Sanchez' play to rebound this year). But we did bring him in, and Sanchez continued to struggle, so Tebow should have seen more of the ball (i still thought mcelroy should qb actually, but use Tebow in the wildcat more). But people like to say "look what Tebow did in Denver" as an argument as to why he should have played more, and that's off the mark, I think. We're not Denver, not on either side of the ball nor on special teams.

[Dreaming Daddy]

Originally Posted by adb280z

Orton started the first 3 games, not 5.

False. The Broncos were 1-4 prior to his 1st start.

[Dreaming Daddy]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Go back and reread some of my posts in this thread and in others Vin. What you will NOT find is me talking about how "GREAT" Tebow is. What I have said is that he CAN BE a good QB, and I've defended the successes that he has had so far.

Like the Jets game. I haven't argued that he was an all pro. Fact is that he didn't do well for most the game. BUT, in the end, when it came crunch time, the kid delivered.

IF he can ever become consistent and played entire games the way he plays in the last 5 minutes of most games, he could be very successful and give a lot of NFL teams a hell of a lot of trouble.

Logic is not a strong point of this blog. They are in tune with a coach who has a Sanchez tattoo and are doing just what Einstein said that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"...Anyone who has an ounce of sanity knows that Sanchez sucked as the starter and that it would have been rationale to give the backup a start...of course No if that backup happened to be Tebow.
For a QB that has led his team to a playoff win...the 1st Denver playoff win since 2006...Manning lovers...It is apparent that Tebow was never given a chance as a Jet.
I'm a Jet fan and would love to have seen them win but to see this season progress and never pull the Tattoo for Tebow was crazy...

[Snell41]

Originally Posted by vinniekt

LOL, you are really stuck on personnel stats and forget about who is at the helm when the final results are in, I will say it one last time, I don't care what my leaders stats are, all I look for is the W when the clock says :00, thats the only stat I need.

BTW, since you love stats here are some, the great Peyton Manning took 6 years before he could win a playoff game, he was 0-3 his first 3 attempts, he is a choker. His first season as a QB he went 3-13, his first 4 years as a starter he was 32-32, Tebow btw was 7-4 as a starter and won his very first playoff game and yes he won it stat man, 316 yds 2 TD's 0 INT's.

Mark Sanchez- 38 wins 32 losses, including a 4-2 record in the playoffs. WINNAH!!!!!

[EternalChampion]

It's obvious that Tebow is better than Manning, but the big question is where does he fall on the GOAT list, 1A or 1B?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Dreaming Daddy

Logic is not a strong point of this blog. They are in tune with a coach who has a Sanchez tattoo and are doing just what Einstein said that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"...Anyone who has an ounce of sanity knows that Sanchez sucked as the starter and that it would have been rationale to give the backup a start...of course No if that backup happened to be Tebow.
For a QB that has led his team to a playoff win...the 1st Denver playoff win since 2006...Manning lovers...It is apparent that Tebow was never given a chance as a Jet.
I'm a Jet fan and would live to have seen them win but to see this season progress and never pull the Tattoo for Tebow was crazy...

Cool story, bro.

[jetman67]

Originally Posted by isired

but use Tebow in the wildcat more

I have a feeling that they were planning on that, but the offense probably had a difficult time executing in practice without a real opponent.

[Hitman Harris]

Originally Posted by isired

I don't see the logic. Any team can beat any other in a single game, it happens. Especially in the playoffs. If you look at the bigger sample of this season over last season, it's pretty easy to see the difference. I mean it's basically the same Denver team, minus Orton/Tebow, plus Manning, right?

I didn't want Tebow, thought it was a terrible thing to do with our QB situation (of course, at that time I expected Sanchez' play to rebound this year). But we did bring him in, and Sanchez continued to struggle, so Tebow should have seen more of the ball (i still thought mcelroy should qb actually, but use Tebow in the wildcat more). But people like to say "look what Tebow did in Denver" as an argument as to why he should have played more, and that's off the mark, I think. We're not Denver, not on either side of the ball nor on special teams.

Nor are we IN Denver, with zero oxygen and 5 minutes left in the game.
F*CK Teblow! I can't wait til that jack@ss is off of this team, and OUT of the NFL!

[JaxSuzy]

Next time I have a spare moment to wade thru the disgusting and unwarranted bile of hatred in this thread, I will count the number of frothing at the mouth Tebowphobe comments vs the comments from the allegedly gigantic cult of Tebowphiles.

You already know what I'll find, even if I count every thread on this forum: vicious personal attacks from a huge majority of posters on this board against a few fans who would've liked to see Tebow start a game for the Jets. Hateful bile directed at a Jets player who's done nothing to deserve the sh*t you sling.

I find it very telling that when ESPN and NFL pundits spent a few days raking Rex over the coals for misusing Tebow this season, most of you agreed that Rex had gone out of his way to humiliate Tebow and that it was wrong. A lot of you were embarrassed by Rex's behavior and said Rex should at least start Tebow for one of the last two games. But as soon as the season was over and the media censure of Rex died down, most of you went right back to hateful slurs and Tebow putdowns.

I guess this is the only way you can deal with the shame of having a petty and spiteful Head Coach who made even the most rancid Tebow-hater uncomfortable this season. Instead of blaming Tebow or a few Tebow fans for the clusterf*ck that is Rex Ryan's jets, you should accept responsibility for supporting a head coach who ruined a young man's career for no good reason at all.

SAR I is correct in his assessment of Rex Ryan.

[Dreaming Daddy]

From ESPN:
All-Time Best Games in the Playoffs in NFL History:

RK PLAYER RESULT PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR

1 Aaron Rodgers, GB W 48-21 @ ATL on 1/15/11 13.8 0.7 -0.7 1.1 15.0 45 16.7 12.9 97.8
2 Tim Tebow, DEN W 29-23 vs PIT on 1/8/12 8.6 2.1 0.0 0.9 11.6 35 12.6 9.7 97.5
3 Kurt Warner, ARI W 51-45 vs GB on 1/10/10 14.3 0.0 -0.8 -0.3 13.1 38 13.6 10.4 97.4
4 Kurt Warner, ARI W 32-25 vs PHI on 1/18/09 9.3 0.0 -0.8 0.3 8.8 33 10.3 7.5 95.4
5 Tom Brady, NE W 45-10 vs DEN on 1/14/12 6.2 -0.3 0.0 0.0 6.0 38 11.5 8.3 94.7
6 Colin Kaepernick, SF W 45-31 vs GB on 1/12/13 1.4 17.4 -0.8 -0.7 17.2 51 15.3 11.1 94.7
7 Jay Cutler, CHI W 35-24 vs SEA on 1/16/11 3.4 2.7 -1.3 -0.0 4.9 37 11.1 8.0 94.4
8 Drew Brees, NO W 45-14 vs ARI on 1/16/10 5.8 0.0 0.0 0.2 6.0 35 10.0 7.1 93.6
9 Matthew Stafford, DET L 45-28 @ NO on 1/7/12 10.4 1.0 0.0 -0.4 11.0 47 12.1 8.2 90.9
10 Drew Brees, NO W 45-28 vs DET on 1/7/12 15.0 0.5 -2.8 0.8 13.6 51 12.6 8.4 89.7

I know that facts don't matter to Tebow haters as their minds are made up...but really...if you were the Jets coach last season wouldn't you at least tried Tebow out just to see what he's got?

[McGinley]

Originally Posted by Dreaming Daddy

From ESPN:
All-Time Best Games in the Playoffs in NFL Histrory:

1 Aaron Rodgers, GB W 48-21 @ ATL on 1/15/11 13.8 0.7 -0.7 1.1 15.0 45 16.7 12.9 97.8
2 Tim Tebow, DEN W 29-23 vs PIT on 1/8/12 8.6 2.1 0.0 0.9 11.6 35 12.6 9.7 97.5
3 Kurt Warner, ARI W 51-45 vs GB on 1/10/10 14.3 0.0 -0.8 -0.3 13.1 38 13.6 10.4 97.4
4 Kurt Warner, ARI W 32-25 vs PHI on 1/18/09 9.3 0.0 -0.8 0.3 8.8 33 10.3 7.5 95.4
5 Tom Brady, NE W 45-10 vs DEN on 1/14/12 6.2 -0.3 0.0 0.0 6.0 38 11.5 8.3 94.7
6 Colin Kaepernick, SF W 45-31 vs GB on 1/12/13 1.4 17.4 -0.8 -0.7 17.2 51 15.3 11.1 94.7
7 Jay Cutler, CHI W 35-24 vs SEA on 1/16/11 3.4 2.7 -1.3 -0.0 4.9 37 11.1 8.0 94.4
8 Drew Brees, NO W 45-14 vs ARI on 1/16/10 5.8 0.0 0.0 0.2 6.0 35 10.0 7.1 93.6
9 Matthew Stafford, DET L 45-28 @ NO on 1/7/12 10.4 1.0 0.0 -0.4 11.0 47 12.1 8.2 90.9
10 Drew Brees, NO W 45-28 vs DET on 1/7/12 15.0 0.5 -2.8 0.8 13.6 51 12.6 8.4 89.7

I know that facts don't matter to Tebow haters as their minds are made up...but really...if you were the Jets coach last season wouldn't you at least tried Tebow out just to see what he's got?

Now post the divisional round stats. Those are more the norm for Tim Lolbow.

The entire league has already seen what Tim has last year and he is absolutely awful. His Defense and Kicker carrying him the entire time doesn't change that.

[Dreaming Daddy]

whatever. So you are like the tattoo. Would never have given him a shot.

[McGinley]

Originally Posted by Dreaming Daddy

whatever. So you are like the tattoo. Would never have given him a shot.

LOL, way to completely back down.

If anything, I'd see if he can play FB or make him a short-yardage back. He'd probably do well at FB given his size and physicality, and he's virtually impossible to stop on Down & Inches/Short. Could be an asset there, but he's not an NFL QB.

[Dreaming Daddy]

2011 Postseason NFL Leaders

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR

1 Matthew Stafford, DET 10.4 1.0 0.0 -0.4 11.0 47 12.1 8.2 90.9
2 Tim Tebow, DEN 8.6 2.6 -2.0 1.0 10.2 71 15.6 9.7 86.2
3 Drew Brees, NO 23.9 0.6 -5.6 2.6 21.4 121 21.5 11.5 77.9
4 Tom Brady, NE 24.4 0.8 -1.4 -2.7 21.2 125 22.2 11.8 77.7
5 Aaron Rodgers, GB 6.2 5.5 -4.0 0.2 7.9 61 8.6 3.5 68.4
6 Eli Manning, NYG 42.6 1.6 -12.3 -3.7 28.2 188 24.2 8.6 64.7
7 Alex Smith, SF 13.5 5.8 -8.5 0.6 11.4 87 9.6 2.4 59.1
8 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 5.1 0.5 -2.3 0.3 3.5 54 4.1 -0.4 47.8
9 Joe Flacco, BAL 9.4 0.5 -8.1 -0.6 1.3 79 2.5 -4.1 33.6
10 Matt Ryan, ATL 4.4 -3.0 -0.8 -0.1 0.5 48 1.4 -2.6 32.8

To not have given him a shot really was absurd unless you were beholden to Sanchez because you drafted Sanchez and had his tattoo. Anyhow, whatever I suppose most Jets fans would rather lose than try a guy out.

[shuler82]

I can't wait until Tebow is finally cut and we are rid of his fanboys. We have enough problems on this team as it is..

[Vinny Testaverde's Niece]

Originally Posted by JaxSuzy

I find it very telling that when ESPN and NFL pundits spent a few days raking Rex over the coals for misusing Tebow this season, most of you agreed that Rex had gone out of his way to humiliate Tebow and that it was wrong. A lot of you were embarrassed by Rex's behavior and said Rex should at least start Tebow for one of the last two games. But as soon as the season was over and the media censure of Rex died down, most of you went right back to hateful slurs and Tebow putdowns.

I guess this is the only way you can deal with the shame of having a petty and spiteful Head Coach who made even the most rancid Tebow-hater uncomfortable this season. Instead of blaming Tebow or a few Tebow fans for the clusterf*ck that is Rex Ryan's jets, you should accept responsibility for supporting a head coach who ruined a young man's career for no good reason at all.

See, that's not how it works in football. You don't start with an athlete with a following and try and find a place for him on some football team because he is popular with people who don't know football from their ASS****. The way it works - in the NFL - is you have a team, a coach, a philosophy and you fill openings with qualified personnel that fit your scheme. In your Tebow world you have it ASS BACKWARDS. And don't blame Rex for trying to salvage his own career by not putting the Tebow ****show on the field. Tebow does not HaVE a career, BTW.

Why aren't you gone yet?