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C Mart · 01-14-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

If Herman Edwards had run the Jets like this there would have been professional hits put out on him.

+1 I said that about a month ago...

Eckesg1 · 01-14-2013, 07:05 PM

While we're on that subject, I've been looking at Tanny's/Rex's drafts.

I would say that they are about 60/40 positive.

Good picks:
Jeremy Kerley
Joe McKnight (All-Pro last year)
Muhammed Wilkerson
Quinton Coples (Still young, but criticisms were blown away)

Average:
Stephen Hill
Bilai Powell
Shonn Greene
Matt Slauson
Kyle Wilson

Bad:
Mark Sanchez
Vlad Ducasse

The other picks are all either still in judgment or are relative to their draft position.

I will say this though. The one thing Rex has not drafted yet has been a player that makes an immediate impact. This might be his raft to do so.

pcola · 01-14-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

While we're on that subject, I've been looking at Tanny's/Rex's drafts.

I would say that they are about 60/40 positive.

Good picks:
Jeremy Kerley
Joe McKnight (All-Pro last year)
Muhammed Wilkerson
Quinton Coples (Still young, but criticisms were blown away)

Average:
Stephen Hill
Bilai Powell
Shonn Greene
Matt Slauson
Kyle Wilson

Bad:
Mark Sanchez
Vlad Ducasse

The other picks are all either still in judgment or are relative to their draft position.

I will say this though. The one thing Rex has not drafted yet has been a player that makes an immediate impact. This might be his raft to do so.

The QB is really the only one that matters. That's wheat gets guys fired.

If Sanchez during his four years, played like Russell Wilson played this year, then we're in the playoffs all four years - probably go to the super bowl at least once.

Seth · 01-14-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by McGinley

Rich Cimini ‏@RichCimini
GM search, Day 15: Some things happen quickly for the Jets, such as allowing three touchdowns in 52 seconds... http://es.pn/Vc66eF #nyj

Would it be safe to assume Gaine will also be in the mix for a second interview?

Eckesg1 · 01-14-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pcola

The QB is really the only one that matters. That's wheat gets guys fired.

If Sanchez during his four years, played like Russell Wilson played this year, then we're in the playoffs all four years - probably go to the super bowl at least once.

That's why even thought only 2 players are in the bad column, the drafts were 60/40 IMO. The QB takes up alot of that negative percentage.

However, I was always told that football is a team game.

TheMo · 01-14-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyjet

Not so much that Glazer is lying, more likely a reflection of the folks feeding him information. Likely David Caldwell. The evidence is all there that this guy has loose lips.
1) Makes comment that Shad sent him up to NY
2) Makes comment about Tebow and how there is no way he is coming to JAX (interpretation: Shad, let it be known that I'm in charge here now)
3) The million dollar perk in his Jet offer; since they never got to the contract stage, who do you think was the source for that info? Woody? Neil Glat? Jed Hughes?

IMO, Caldwell seems like a real douchebag, and his loose lips will eventually come back to bite him. Owners take notice of a story like Peter King's this morning... if you can't trust the guy your negotiating with to keep his mouth shut, how can you trust him to run your franchise? It ain't worth it. It's still a fraternity for the owners... they'll remember Caldwell's loose mouth.

Sometimes it's a good thing when negotiations don't work out. Glad it didn't with Caldwell... already have seen enough of him.

Perhaps that is what was meant by "strong personality" too? Imagine in a GM with such loose lips to go along with Rex's personality. This place would explode.

pcola · 01-14-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

That's why even thought only 2 players are in the bad column, the drafts were 60/40 IMO. The QB takes up alot of that negative percentage.

However, I was always told that football is a team game.

good point about the "team" concept.

But in Goodell's NFL, the league is divided by the have's and have not's. If you don't have a QB, you better be elite everywhere else. (Like we were in 2009.)

southparkcpa · 01-14-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

While we're on that subject, I've been looking at Tanny's/Rex's drafts.

I would say that they are about 60/40 positive.

Good picks:
Jeremy Kerley
Joe McKnight (All-Pro last year)
Muhammed Wilkerson
Quinton Coples (Still young, but criticisms were blown away)

Average:
Stephen Hill
Bilai Powell
Shonn Greene
Matt Slauson
Kyle Wilson

Bad:
Mark Sanchez
Vlad Ducasse

The other picks are all either still in judgment or are relative to their draft position.

I will say this though. The one thing Rex has not drafted yet has been a player that makes an immediate impact. This might be his raft to do so.

In 4 years of drafts we have 4 players you see as good. Give or take, that's about right. I would be Green and Wilson as borderline good.

THAT is the problem...... Total picks around 20 to 24 and we have 4 good picks.

Thats a big piece to why we are where we are....

Also, your last sentence is CMARTS point. No development of these players.

Eckesg1 · 01-14-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

In 4 years of drafts we have 4 players you see as good. Give or take, that's about right. I would be Green and Wilson as borderline good.

THAT is the problem...... Total picks around 20 to 24 and we have 4 good picks.

Thats a big piece to why we are where we are....

Also, your last sentence is CMARTS point. No development of these players.

Except for Wilkerson. He has developed nicely. Kerley too.

I just mean that a lot of his picks have been average. The only two stinkers are Sanchez (which at the time, I still contend was the right pick, given the options), and Ducasse, which is more Tanny's pick because the affiliation with UMass.

Connor was not a bad pick. He was a 5th round pick.

Jordy · 01-14-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

While we're on that subject, I've been looking at Tanny's/Rex's drafts.

I would say that they are about 60/40 positive.

Good picks:
Jeremy Kerley
Joe McKnight (All-Pro last year)
Muhammed Wilkerson
Quinton Coples (Still young, but criticisms were blown away)

Average:
Stephen Hill
Bilai Powell
Shonn Greene
Matt Slauson
Kyle Wilson

Bad:
Mark Sanchez
Vlad Ducasse

The other picks are all either still in judgment or are relative to their draft position.

I will say this though. The one thing Rex has not drafted yet has been a player that makes an immediate impact. This might be his raft to do so.

McKnight belongs in the average category IMO.

All-Pro simply based on KR's. You don't draft a guy in the 4th just to return KO's.

He's failed miserably as the 3rd down back he was envisioned to be.

southparkcpa · 01-14-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

Except for Wilkerson. He has developed nicely. Kerley too.

I just mean that a lot of his picks have been average. The only two stinkers are Sanchez (which at the time, I still contend was the right pick, given the options), and Ducasse, which is more Tanny's pick because the affiliation with UMass.

Connor was not a bad pick. He was a 5th round pick.

Our drafting is below average. that means 16 teams will have more talent.

our record bears this out.

Eckesg1 · 01-14-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordy

McKnight belongs in the average category IMO.

All-Pro simply based on KR's. You don't draft a guy in the 4th just to return KO's.

He's failed miserably as the 3rd down back he was envisioned to be.

Devin Hester was drafted in the 2nd Round.

If you are name All-Pro in anything, even KR, that's a good pick.

Eckesg1 · 01-14-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Our drafting is below average. that means 16 teams will have more talent.

our record bears this out.

One man's average is another man's below average.

southparkcpa · 01-14-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

One man's average is another man's below average.

Agreed...that's why we keep score and such.

mediocrity hates record keeping.

Our record proves we are below average.

C Mart · 01-14-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth

Would it be safe to assume Gaine will also be in the mix for a second interview?

They (reporters) said Popp was on their radar too and that never went past a "talk". So who knows.

Jordy · 01-14-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

Devin Hester was drafted in the 2nd Round.

If you are name All-Pro in anything, even KR, that's a good pick.

Devin Hester at his best was on another planet in the KR category. Not to mention he's been a weapon on offense during his career. Not only does he have 17 TD's on PR's and KR's, he has 14 career TD's on offense.

McKnight is not in the same league. Hester has been to 3 Pro Bowls and a 4 time All-Pro. I'd be willing to bet McKnight doesn't see a Pro Bowl or get another All-Pro.

McKnight was drafted to be a 3rd down back to replace Leon. I don't see how anyone can say he was a "good" draft pick. If you insist, then we are definitely not in agreement.

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 01-14-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBlairThomasFumble

Mike McCartney ‏@MikeMcCartney7
I've spoken with too many personnel guys who would relish the #Jets GM job. I'm not buying recent reports nobody wants it.

FYI: McCartney is a Former #NFL Pro Scouting Director.

Not only is he a former pro scouting director but he currently works as an agent. So he is much more likely to be speaking with possible candidates than any of these jerks in the media who tweet any bullcrap to try and get attention and keep relevant. And any candidate that would be so unprofessional as to leak such information, if it were true, would not be a candidate for anything for very long. This is obviously fabricated info on the part of Jay Glazer wanting to maintain his 'insider' status and borders or libel if you ask me.

Matt39 · 01-14-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

Devin Hester was drafted in the 2nd Round.

If you are name All-Pro in anything, even KR, that's a good pick.

Hesters the best KR ever

FijiJet · 01-14-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ComfortablyNumb

I'll take the words of professional well known NFL personnel guy any day over any forum troll thank you.

Hell Yeah!!

C Mart · 01-14-2013, 08:39 PM

@StuartScott: Blessed by prayers..I'm back in the Fight. C reared its head again. Chemo evry 2 wks but I'll still work, still work out..still #LIVESTRONG

Guy has had many bouts. Good thoughts for Stu.

01-14-2013, 07:05 PM	#162
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	While we're on that subject, I've been looking at Tanny's/Rex's drafts. I would say that they are about 60/40 positive. Good picks: Jeremy Kerley Joe McKnight (All-Pro last year) Muhammed Wilkerson Quinton Coples (Still young, but criticisms were blown away) Average: Stephen Hill Bilai Powell Shonn Greene Matt Slauson Kyle Wilson Bad: Mark Sanchez Vlad Ducasse The other picks are all either still in judgment or are relative to their draft position. I will say this though. The one thing Rex has not drafted yet has been a player that makes an immediate impact. This might be his raft to do so. Last edited by Eckesg1; 01-14-2013 at 07:08 PM.

01-14-2013, 08:39 PM	#180
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	@StuartScott: Blessed by prayers..I'm back in the Fight. C reared its head again. Chemo evry 2 wks but I'll still work, still work out..still #LIVESTRONG Guy has had many bouts. Good thoughts for Stu.