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C Mart · 01-18-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

IT WASN'T HIS OFFENSE!!!!!!

Everyone is praising what he did in Philly, but it was Reid's show. This the the equaivlaent of buff. Getting excited now that they have Pettine because of how the jets ranked the past four years. He was a coordinator in tittleand totally comfortable sitting in Reid's shadow for nearly 10 years. WTF is there to get so excited about here. He's not shades!?!?

He's been in the WCO his whole life

One of his high school coaches was Mike Holmgren, who later coached the Green Bay Packers to a Super Bowl win. As a prep standout at Oak Grove High School, Mornhinweg guided his team to a championship and was named Northern California Player of the Year his senior year.

Then he got a big break. Holmgren, his former high school coach, hired him as offensive assistant/quality control coach for the Green Bay Packers in 1995. After one season he was promoted to quarterbacks coach, tutoring Brett Favre as the team went on to win Super Bowl XXXI. With Mornhinweg and Favre working together, the star quarterback won his second MVP award. Both earned shiny new Super Bowl rings in 1997, and the former Griz had earned a reputation as an NFL quarterback guru.

Mornhinweg then served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers from 1997-00, working with weapons such as quarterback Steve Young and the NFL's all-time-leading receiver, Jerry Rice. Then late in his 49er tenure, Mornhinweg helped groom Jeff Garcia, an import from the Canadian Football League, into one of the NFL's top passing threats.

http://www2.umt.edu/urelations/mainhall/302/detroit.htm

jps1012 · 01-18-2013, 07:50 PM

I'm confused. Wouldn't the GM play a major part in interviewing and choosing an OC? Why hire the same day? Who's calling the shots then?

phillyjet · 01-18-2013, 07:51 PM

Will look even better if foles is somehow on this roster next year.

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

This is not even close to Pettine.... from 1997 - 2000 he was the offensive coordinator of the 49ers under Steve Mariucci... That led to him becoming a head coach... Maybe his entire career has been built around running Mariucci and Reid's offense but to completely disregard the success he has had when acting as OC is .....

True, kind of, well no... The lions hired Marty and then fired him after a terrible record. He was replaced by mariucci when it became apparent that he was the brains behind the offense.

Take it a step further, he was even lower on the totem pole in green bay when he was under both mucc and Reid. Reid took him in Philly because he knew he wouldn't be a threat since he would be perceived as one of Reid's guys. Hes never been seriously considered since - at least from what I can tell.

SyracuseJet · 01-18-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jps1012

I'm confused. Wouldn't the GM play a major part in interviewing and choosing an OC? Why hire the same day? Who's calling the shots then?

And you know that Idzik didn't recommend Mornhinweg how?

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

He's been in the WCO his whole life

One of his high school coaches was Mike Holmgren, who later coached the Green Bay Packers to a Super Bowl win. As a prep standout at Oak Grove High School, Mornhinweg guided his team to a championship and was named Northern California Player of the Year his senior year.

Then he got a big break. Holmgren, his former high school coach, hired him as offensive assistant/quality control coach for the Green Bay Packers in 1995. After one season he was promoted to quarterbacks coach, tutoring Brett Favre as the team went on to win Super Bowl XXXI. With Mornhinweg and Favre working together, the star quarterback won his second MVP award. Both earned shiny new Super Bowl rings in 1997, and the former Griz had earned a reputation as an NFL quarterback guru.

Mornhinweg then served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers from 1997-00, working with weapons such as quarterback Steve Young and the NFL's all-time-leading receiver, Jerry Rice. Then late in his 49er tenure, Mornhinweg helped groom Jeff Garcia, an import from the Canadian Football League, into one of the NFL's top passing threats.

http://www2.umt.edu/urelations/mainhall/302/detroit.htm

I'd hardly give credit to someone for coming in as a position coach and helping a player win his second MVP.

jps1012 · 01-18-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SyracuseJet

And you know that Idzik didn't recommend Mornhinweg how?

I have a really hard time thinking he would have time to do his due diligence in hiring an OC. Only so much he can do before being hired.

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SyracuseJet

And you know that Idzik didn't recommend Mornhinweg how?

No one here can, but if he did, why not wait for him to make it his first announcement.

C Mart · 01-18-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

I'd hardly give credit to someone for coming in as a position coach and helping a player win his second MVP.

Way to look at one thing and disregard his career and mentors

SyracuseJet · 01-18-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jps1012

I have a really hard time thinking he would have time to do his due diligence in hiring an OC. Only so much he can do before being hired.

Maybe he knows him. Maybe he doesn't care who the OC is as he just plans to get rid of Rex in a year anyway.

Conkboy · 01-18-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

True, kind of, well no... The lions hired Marty and then fired him after a terrible record. He was replaced by mariucci when it became apparent that he was the brains behind the offense.

Take it a step further, he was even lower on the totem pole in green bay when he was under both mucc and Reid. Reid took him in Philly because he knew he wouldn't be a threat since he would be perceived as one of Reid's guys. Hes never been seriously considered since - at least from what I can tell.

How much better did Mariucci do in Detroit? You going to blast the guy because he was on Green Bay's staff as he was getting his professional career going. If we hired Lombardi from the Saints would that make people happy. Could that be a similar scenario to what you state?

Whether we as fans like it or not this was the best we could do if you look at guys with existing OC experience. That is the case because Woody wants to keep Rex. It is a domino effect from keeping Rex around. You let a HC pick his staff. Maybe we get lucky and Woody is right. Maybe Rex turns into a heck of a head coach. Only time will tell... If they fall flat on their faces Rex his fired in the next year or two. Then our new GM will get the chance to build his own HC!!!

JetsNeedNewton · 01-18-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet

Originally Posted by Untouchable

I like it

Mornhinweg runs a traditional west coast offense.

Which means not only no more wildcat or goofy ass motion all over the place before the snap, but it also virtually guarantees that Sanchez won't be our QB next year.

The west coast offense is predicated around accuracy and quick decision making, two of Sanchez's weakest areas.

Welcome to New York, Matt Flynn.

I hope that you are right! I am sick of Suckchez and his illogical fans on this board.

Dream on folks, it will be a competition heavily weighted in Sanchez's favor. Rex ain't given up.

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

Way to look at one thing and disregard his career and mentors

I have no problem with his mentor careers, it's him I'm not excited about. Everyone from that green bay era went on to bigger and better achievements on their own - except Marty. He will be on his own here because lord knows Rex is not going to help out in any creditable way on offense. We needed someone who has some stand alone success and/or a record of developing talent and getting the most out of a below average roster. That is not Marty.

Eckesg1 · 01-18-2013, 08:02 PM

This is why they interviewed both positions at the same time. So that they could get both out of the way quickly and and get to more staff hirings and scouting.

I imagine that the selection and agreement to Marty was part of the discussions when Idzik was hired.

I like this hire of Marty. It shows that Rex meant it when he said he wanted to ditch the G&P.

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Conkboy

How much better did Mariucci do in Detroit? You going to blast the guy because he was on Green Bay's staff as he was getting his professional career going. If we hired Lombardi from the Saints would that make people happy. Could that be a similar scenario to what you state?

Whether we as fans like it or not this was the best we could do if you look at guys with existing OC experience. That is the case because Woody wants to keep Rex. It is a domino effect from keeping Rex around. You let a HC pick his staff. Maybe we get lucky and Woody is right. Maybe Rex turns into a heck of a head coach. Only time will tell... If they fall flat on their faces Rex his fired in the next year or two. Then our new GM will get the chance to build his own HC!!!

But mucc did have success on his own running the offense and team in San Fran.

I do agree with your second point in entirety!

C Mart · 01-18-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

I have no problem with his mentor careers, it's him I'm not excited about. Everyone from that green bay era went on to bigger and better achievements on their own - except Marty. He will be on his own here because lord knows Rex is not going to help out in any creditable way on offense. We needed someone who has some stand alone success and/or a record of developing talent and getting the most out of a below average roster. That is not Marty.

Who was your OC choice that fits your criteria?

So you don't like him because he bombed out as a HC in Detroit? I'd hardly rule the guy out for bombing in Detroit as a HC. Many others have bombed there as HCs and go on to prove they are better fit as a Coordinator or position coach.

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

Who was your OC choice that fits your criteria?

So you don't like him because he bombed out as a HC in Detroit? I'd hardly rule the guy out for bombing in Detroit as a HC. Many others have bombed there as HCs and go on to prove they are better fit as a Coordinator or position coach.

Fair point, but I just don't like the fact that he never had standalone success anywhere else. The hc was always a WCO guy.

I was a norv guy.

Eckesg1 · 01-18-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

Fair point, but I just don't like the fact that he never had standalone success anywhere else. The hc was always a WCO guy.

I was a norv guy.

Norv was never coming here.

By the way, the Browns are going to have to go get WRs.

C Mart · 01-18-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

Fair point, but I just don't like the fact that he never had standalone success anywhere else. The hc was always a WCO guy.

I was a norv guy.

Me too. But he was never coming to NYJ.

rhyan66 · 01-18-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

Me too. But he was never coming to NYJ.

I knew it to. I just keep going back to the idea that coach's don't count against the cap

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jps1012 Waterboy Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 80	I'm confused. Wouldn't the GM play a major part in interviewing and choosing an OC? Why hire the same day? Who's calling the shots then?

01-18-2013, 07:51 PM	#123
phillyjet Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 692	Will look even better if foles is somehow on this roster next year.

01-18-2013, 08:02 PM	#134
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	This is why they interviewed both positions at the same time. So that they could get both out of the way quickly and and get to more staff hirings and scouting. I imagine that the selection and agreement to Marty was part of the discussions when Idzik was hired. I like this hire of Marty. It shows that Rex meant it when he said he wanted to ditch the G&P.