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Dunnie · 01-19-2013, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jayrad01

Holmes is a bad route runner? That's news to me.

Here is some more news ... He's a selfish, cancerous douche that should be shown the door immediately if not sooner.

Redlichtie · 01-19-2013, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nycdan

Run-Run-DesperationPass-Punt is not the basis of the WCO

LOL you forgot the draw play to Martin on 3rd and long

nycdan · 01-19-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlichtie

LOL you forgot the draw play to Martin on 3rd and long

Yes because getting 5 yards on a 3rd and 8 always left me feeling like at least we did our best.

John_0515 · 01-19-2013, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunnie

Here is some more news ... He's a selfish, cancerous douche that should be shown the door immediately if not sooner.

He is selfish, and he is cancerous, as he's shown.

A poor route runner he is not.

nycdan · 01-19-2013, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Down, Set, Haiku

Hackett with a healthy Chad (2002 & 3/4 of 2004) called excellent games and wasn't a liability when he had a QB who his philosophy could coalesce with. I have no doubt had things worked out better with Chad's shoulder him and Hack would have done a lot more here. Heck, with a 1 armed Pennington the Jets were 2 Doug Brien kicks and a Herm Edwards away form the AFCCG.

You and I have very different recollections of the Hackett years. In addition to his ridiculously conservative play-calling, he literally could not figure out how clocks work so they had to hire a guy to help him with that. I will admit, though, that having a guy named Dick Curl on the coaching staff was good for a few chuckles.

jetsfreak · 01-19-2013, 07:25 AM

Take a look around the league to teams such as the Seahawks and Redskins.....rosters can be vastly different in ONE year...the 2013 Jets should look nothing like the 2012 squad.

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Football discussion Shocking huh??

What are going to be The challenges we will have going from Ground n pound to a WCO. How would our existing roster adapt.

patman · 01-19-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsfreak

Take a look around the league to teams such as the Seahawks and Redskins.....rosters can be vastly different in ONE year...the 2013 Jets should look nothing like the 2012 squad.

Agreed- 12 of the starters are FA or likely cuts,

fredmertz · 01-19-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nycdan

You and I have very different recollections of the Hackett years. In addition to his ridiculously conservative play-calling, he literally could not figure out how clocks work so they had to hire a guy to help him with that. I will admit, though, that having a guy named Dick Curl on the coaching staff was good for a few chuckles.

I got even more chuckles from the fact that "clock management specialist" Dick Curl was not very good at "managing the clock".

jayrad01 · 01-19-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunnie

Here is some more news ... He's a selfish, cancerous douche that should be shown the door immediately if not sooner.

That's not news. I can't stand the guy, but to say he's a bad route runner is wrong. Route running is his forte.

Play2Win · 01-19-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nycdan

Run-Run-DesperationPass-Punt is not the basis of the WCO

actually it was Run-run-desperation delayed handoff Run-punt

GenoT · 01-19-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

I personally think the WCO offense is an ideal fit for most of our WR's, with the exception of Hill, but Hill can be the guy used to stretch the field vertically while guys like Holmes, Kerley and Gates work underneath.

I think McKnight is a fit for the WCO, Greene definitely is not, and I don't think Powell is too great of a fit either. A RB like Andre Ellington or Joseph Randle could be options in the 3rd round of the draft to help here.

The obvious elephant in the room is QB. Sanchez isn't an ideal fit for any scheme, but least of all the WCO. Timing and accuracy are key, and we don't have that QB on the roster. Ryan Nassib in round 2 could work in a WCO, but the best fit is Geno Smith, in my opinion. Worth the # 9 pick? Some think he'll go #1, some wouldn't touch him at 9. I don't know if they will or won't, and can't decide if they should or shouldn't yet, but the chances they will are more likely now than they were yesterday for Smith.

Im warming up to Dysert. he has a very high football IQ. Good arm.accurate.Didn't run a pro style offense though,Your view?

carlito1171 · 01-19-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jayrad01

Holmes is a bad route runner? That's news to me.

Wouldn't say "bad", but he can be a lazy route runner when he knows he's not the primary option.....

Beerfish · 01-19-2013, 10:46 AM

The 5th round pick the steelers got for holmes? they traded it for a 6th round pick and bryant mcfaddend and with the 6th rounder picked up Antonio Brown. Younger, better receiver than Holmes.

jetlifer · 01-19-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

The 5th round pick the steelers got for holmes? they traded it for a 6th round pick and bryant mcfaddend and with the 6th rounder picked up Antonio Brown. Younger, better receiver than Holmes.

There is no question that the Steelers know how to draft players...they don't bust too often and keep coming up with gems.

I hope Idzik builds a staff and culture which eventually does that for the Jets.

nycdan · 01-19-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Play2Win

actually it was Run-run-desperation delayed handoff Run-punt

I stand corrected, sir!

FreshBaked 24 7 · 01-19-2013, 11:18 AM

If AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb could flourish in this system, so can any other average prospect

And Sanchez is not even average enough to excel in this system

FreshBaked 24 7 · 01-19-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

The 5th round pick the steelers got for holmes? they traded it for a 6th round pick and bryant mcfaddend and with the 6th rounder picked up Antonio Brown. Younger, better receiver than Holmes.

Can't think of many franchises that do a better job at drafting skill positions and linebackers than the Steelers

Oline on the other hand...

nyjets1969 · 01-19-2013, 11:36 AM

I'm the biggest critic of Sanchez. I know a lot of you are going really be pissed for saying this. The WCO is what Sanchez ran in college and he ran it well this might save his career. He might also look like Sanchez of USC not suckchez of the Jets. On fact this might be the reason they are implementing it because Sanchez will be given one more year.

Carlton · 01-19-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nyjets1969

I'm the biggest critic of Sanchez. I know a lot of you are going really be pissed for saying this. The WCO is what Sanchez ran in college and he ran it well this might save his career. He might also look like Sanchez of USC not suckchez of the Jets. On fact this might be the reason they are implementing it because Sanchez will be given one more year.

He was the lowest rated passer on throws 5 yards or shorter. He just can't run an NFL WC offense.

iahawkeyejet · 01-19-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GenoT

Im warming up to Dysert. he has a very high football IQ. Good arm.accurate.Didn't run a pro style offense though,Your view?

I haven't seen enough of Dysert to make form too much of an opinion, but from what I saw, Miami was a short passing game , and he seemed to be very accurate with decent, but not great mobility. I could probably get on board with him in the 3rd, but my preference(subject to change) is Nassib.

01-19-2013, 10:46 AM	#53
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,066	The 5th round pick the steelers got for holmes? they traded it for a 6th round pick and bryant mcfaddend and with the 6th rounder picked up Antonio Brown. Younger, better receiver than Holmes.

01-19-2013, 11:18 AM	#56
FreshBaked 24 7 wait...wha? 0_o All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,697	If AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb could flourish in this system, so can any other average prospect And Sanchez is not even average enough to excel in this system

01-19-2013, 11:36 AM	#58
nyjets1969 Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,104	I'm the biggest critic of Sanchez. I know a lot of you are going really be pissed for saying this. The WCO is what Sanchez ran in college and he ran it well this might save his career. He might also look like Sanchez of USC not suckchez of the Jets. On fact this might be the reason they are implementing it because Sanchez will be given one more year.