I thought you needed an elite QB to win a championship? - Jets Insider.com Forums

cant wait · 01-20-2013, 10:02 PM

what gives?

DDNYjets · 01-20-2013, 10:04 PM

Nothing.

Flacco is elite. Time for everyone to get over it. And Kaepernick is ascending.

Was Brady elite when he won his first SB? Was Rodgers?

Hindsight will tell.

Ohio State NY Jets fan · 01-20-2013, 10:07 PM

Flacco was 21 of 36 for 240 yards with 3 TD's and 0 interceptions

not sure what the QB rating is but stats are above average in the NFL

Rambler · 01-20-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan

Flacco was 21 of 36 for 240 yards with 3 TD's and 0 interceptions

not sure what the QB rating is but stats are above average in the NFL

Those are "elite" stats!

SlickBri481 · 01-20-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Nothing.

Flacco is elite. Time for everyone to get over it. And Kaepernick is ascending.

Was Brady elite when he won his first SB? Was Rodgers?

Hindsight will tell.

No he's not. He had, what, 18 TD passes this year? Elite my rear end. When a QB is put in favorable situations in the playoffs, he can succeed. Just ask Sanchez

Untouchable · 01-20-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Nothing.

Flacco is elite. Time for everyone to get over it. And Kaepernick is ascending.

Was Brady elite when he won his first SB? Was Rodgers?

Hindsight will tell.

This

SlickBri481 · 01-20-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan

Flacco was 21 of 36 for 240 yards with 3 TD's and 0 interceptions

not sure what the QB rating is but stats are above average in the NFL

He put the ball up high for Boldin a few times and a borderline HoF WR made some great plays. There was also zero pass rush. Flacco is good, borderline top 10, but let's not overrreact

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-20-2013, 10:14 PM

You don't have to be elite. You just have to be able to score and not turn the ball over. Take away marks turnovers and its a different outcome.

LockeJET · 01-20-2013, 10:15 PM

Flaco is elite. He was a dropped pass from being in 2 consecutive Super Bowls.

SAR I · 01-20-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cant wait

what gives?

All you need is one of these, a good OL, a strong RB, and WR's that can make plays. The two ho-hum's that are going to the Super Bowl are proof-positive of that.

SAR I

detectivekimble · 01-20-2013, 10:16 PM

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He put the ball up high for Boldin a few times and a borderline HoF WR made some great plays. There was also zero pass rush. Flacco is good, borderline top 10, but let's not overrreact

Joe Flacco is good and still getting better. He's not elite. Neither is Eli Manning. Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers are elite. Those guys sling it around and put up lopsided numbers consistently.

SlickBri481 · 01-20-2013, 10:18 PM

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Joe Flacco is good and still getting better. He's not elite. Neither is Eli Manning. Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers are elite. Those guys sling it around and put up lopsided numbers consistently.

Exactly. The regular season is a better barometer, bigger sample size. Flacco is similar to Eli, good regular season QB, has played well in some big games when the rest of his team also played well.

SMC · 01-20-2013, 10:18 PM

Flacco and Kap are playing like elite QBs.

The bottom line is that the QB has to play well. No team is going to win a championship with awful QB play.

detectivekimble · 01-20-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickBri481

Exactly. The regular season is a better barometer, bigger sample size. Flacco is similar to Eli, good regular season QB, has played well in some big games when the rest of his team also played well.

If anything, this just shows that you can win with a pretty good QB, who has some key pieces around him. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Ray Rice are studs in key spots. I mean, Ray Rice consistently makes chicken salad out of chicken ****. That OL beats people up as well. Boldin is a tough mother ****er who will impose his will on you and Smith is a big play waiting to happen.

detectivekimble · 01-20-2013, 10:23 PM

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Flacco and Kap are playing like elite QBs.

The bottom line is that the QB has to play well. No team is going to win a championship with awful QB play.

Joe Flacco just beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Of those three, who would you say is elite? As important as the QB is, it's still a team game. The point is, you don't need an "elite" QB to win it all. Eli Manning won it last year and Joe Flacco may win it this year. Eli Manning couldn't even get his team into the ****ing playoffs this year and has three one-and-dones on his record.

cant wait · 01-20-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan

Flacco was 21 of 36 for 240 yards with 3 TD's and 0 interceptions

not sure what the QB rating is but stats are above average in the NFL

flacco's performance this playoff run reminds me of a young mark sanchez

SAR I · 01-20-2013, 10:26 PM

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Joe Flacco just beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Of those three, who would you say is elite? As important as the QB is, it's still a team game.

Above all else, the New NFL requires playmaking WR's and TE's. If you look at the Kapernick and Flacco TD's, very few were of the easy-peasy variety. More often than not you're seeing fanastic catches with very tight coverage (Boldin) gutsy balls-out physicality (Pitta) explosiveness (Crabtree, Jones in a losing effort).

The QB's are critical, obviously, but tonight's loss for the Patriots is as much on their feeble WR's as it is on their lousy D.

SAR I

SlickBri481 · 01-20-2013, 10:26 PM

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If anything, this just shows that you can win with a pretty good QB, who has some key pieces around him. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Ray Rice are studs in key spots. I mean, Ray Rice consistently makes chicken salad out of chicken ****. That OL beats people up as well. Boldin is a tough mother ****er who will impose his will on you and Smith is a big play waiting to happen.

I agree. I actually think Boldin is a lot closer to the Hall of Fame than people realize too. Rice is a great player too, he always seems to make something big happen

As a QB, you don't have to apologize for playing well when u have a good team surrounding you. But when people go overboard about your performance, the context needs to be pointed out

jpoppy7 · 01-20-2013, 10:26 PM

OP is right, this year is a reminder that there are many ways to build a Super Bowl team. It's great to have one of the top 5 QBs, that makes it a lot easier, but it's no guarantee.

And if you don't have one of those QBs you still can build a Super Bowl team.

SlickBri481 · 01-20-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by detectivekimble

Joe Flacco just beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Of those three, who would you say is elite? As important as the QB is, it's still a team game. The point is, you don't need an "elite" QB to win it all. Eli Manning won it last year and Joe Flacco may win it this year. Eli Manning couldn't even get his team into the ****ing playoffs this year and has three one-and-dones on his record.

Kaepernick is only making his 10th start coming up, but assuming the Niners win, his level of play suggests he is quite elite.

01-20-2013, 10:02 PM	#1
cant wait to silence the non-believers Veteran Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,979	I thought you needed an elite QB to win a championship? what gives?

01-20-2013, 10:04 PM	#2
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,239	Nothing. Flacco is elite. Time for everyone to get over it. And Kaepernick is ascending. Was Brady elite when he won his first SB? Was Rodgers? Hindsight will tell.

01-20-2013, 10:07 PM	#3
Ohio State NY Jets fan Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,958	Flacco was 21 of 36 for 240 yards with 3 TD's and 0 interceptions not sure what the QB rating is but stats are above average in the NFL

01-20-2013, 10:14 PM	#8
JetsfanfromtheBURGH Pirates win 88 games this year. Mark it! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,129	You don't have to be elite. You just have to be able to score and not turn the ball over. Take away marks turnovers and its a different outcome.

01-20-2013, 10:15 PM	#9
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,957	Flaco is elite. He was a dropped pass from being in 2 consecutive Super Bowls.

01-20-2013, 10:18 PM	#13
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	Flacco and Kap are playing like elite QBs. The bottom line is that the QB has to play well. No team is going to win a championship with awful QB play.

01-20-2013, 10:26 PM	#19
jpoppy7 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,852	OP is right, this year is a reminder that there are many ways to build a Super Bowl team. It's great to have one of the top 5 QBs, that makes it a lot easier, but it's no guarantee. And if you don't have one of those QBs you still can build a Super Bowl team.