Mangini Potentially to the Saints

[kennyo7]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Our view of history is different. We had cap issues, yes, we were not "void of talent". Mangini had one lucky year, and that was that. His decision making was worse than Rex's.

Again, former Jet obsession syndrome, the same disease that has fans thinking Braylon Edwards is a legit #1 WR and Danny Woodhead is a legit #1 RB in the NFL, and Kerry Rhodes is the best Safety in the NFL, leads some to view Mangini's horrifi failure of an era here, failure of an era in Cleveland, and failure in NEw England, as all having never happened.....because he made two comments they agreed with on ESPN.

You line up Mangini, I'll line up Rex. I know who wins that 9 times out of ten, and it isn't Mr. Wanna-be-Bellichek It's a Process.

I'll say it again, cause I said it then, Herm would have had the same success Mangini had, and a real legit Coach would have had far more, all other things being equal. Mangini was a failure here.

Name the talent Mangini inheritted.

Rex inheritted arguably the best Offensive line in football (mangold, woody, brick, faneca, and moore), a top 10 running back in Thomas Jones, Revis, Cotchery, Keller, Leon Washington, Jenkins, Rhodes, Pace and Thomas who were younger and productive.

Now compare that to the empty cupboard that Herm left Mangini.

Talk about revisionist history

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

Name the talent Mangini inheritted.

Now compare that to the empty cupboard that Herm left Mangini.

Talk about revisionist history

Perhaps you and I cross posted. But that question has already been answered.

The answer is "pretty much every top producing payer in Mangini's first year other than a retired Curtis Martin".

Originally Posted by Warfish

Teams Most Productive Players Under Mangini (2006):

QB -- Pennington
Leader Rushers -- Leon Washington, Cedric Houston
Leading Recievers -- Lav. Coles, Cotchery, McCariens, Baker (TE)
Leading Tacklers -- Rhodes, Barton, Coleman, Vilma
Leading INT's -- Rhodes, Dyson, Barrett

Teams Most Productive Players Under Herm (2005):

QB -- Pennington
Leading Rushers -- Curtis Martin, Cedric Houston
Leading Recievers -- Lav. Coles, McCariens, Jolly/Baker (TE), Cotchery
Leading Tacklers -- Vilma, Rhodes, Coleman, Hobson
Leading INT's -- Law, Barrett, Coleman

Going down the list, it sure looks to me like the best players, producing the most, on Mangini's 2006 team were core players of Herm's 2005 4 win team.

And we have no idea if Mangini would have stayed with the one glaring difference....Curtis Martin....had he stayed and not retired. Given Mangini's penchant for Veterans, I have no doubt Martin would have started in 2006 as well, if he was healthy.

So tell me again about how "void of talent" we were, and all the great talent Mangini brought it.....cause it sure looks like 2006 was almost name for name where it counts, production, a clone of Herm's 2005 team.

[kennyo7]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Perhaps you and I cross posted. But that question has already been answered.

The answer is "pretty much every top producing payer in Mangini's first year other than a retired Curtis Martin".

Leon Washington was a mangini pick.

So th talent Mangini inheritted was Coles, Cotchery, vilma, rhodes, barton and ty law.
Compare thatto the talent i listed that Rex inherrited from mangini ( i forgot to include david harris a mangini pick) .
Thanks for proving my point that Rex inheritted a talentedteam and Mangini got garbage

[dmitexxi]

Originally Posted by MadCroatian

I think whatever job Mangini gets next... he will end up excelling at greatly.

The only thing I dont like about it is we would lose quite possibly the best and most intelligent ESPN football analyst that they have on staff. His breakdowns are pure football, not allegory or general fodder.

Quoted for truth

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

I miss the Mangenius.

I miss the Fat Rex.

Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515

+1

[detjetsfan]

Mangina is a good db coach. That's about it.

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by kennyo7

Leon Washington was a mangini pick.

So th talent Mangini inheritted was Coles, Cotchery, vilma, rhodes, barton and ty law.
Compare thatto the talent i listed that Rex inherrited from mangini ( i forgot to include david harris a mangini pick) .
Thanks for proving my point that Rex inheritted a talentedteam and Mangini got garbage

Rex took the same defense that Mangini had and turned it into top 5 with aggressive playcalling and lighting a fuse under Sione Pouha. Pouha was garbage with Mangini - Rex turned him into a borderline all-pro and our best defensive player after Revis.

As far as personnel moves why are we attributing everything to the coaches? You think Tom Coughlin calls all the shots for the Giants? Hells no it's the Generl Manager Jerry Reese. Ditto for the Jets.

And what is up with people acting like 2006-2008 was the golden age of Jets drafting? Vernon Gholston, Anthony Schlegel, Kellen Clemens, Eric and Brad Smith all say hello.



Our last 2 drafts were actually decent. Wilkerson should have made the pro bowl this season and Coples is the real deal and thank God we picked him over Melvin Ingram.

[John_0515]

Mangini is a good talent evaluator.

As said above, he may not have known how to be a head coach when he was here.

He has the makings of a good coach, unfortunately, his situation in NY wasn't conducive to that.

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by John_0515

Mangini is a good talent evaluator.

As said above, he may not have known how to be a head coach when he was here.

He has the makings of a good coach, unfortunately, his situation in NY wasn't conducive to that.

He didn't know how to be a good coach in Cleveland either. He's a disaster. Some Jets fans still to this day overrate him.

[patman]

Originally Posted by crasherino

It's funny to see a pretty level-headed guy like yourself all riled up. Having the cheater on your team is ok but the guy who called him out on it shouldn't have a job?

Gotcha.

I am not riled up at all.

I am not saying he should not have a job, Good luck to him in his career persuits, I don't care one way or the other. I just made the observation that any HC or organization has to be 100% sure nothing is ever done wrong if he is an employee, because he has shown he will turn on his old team. Like i said, it may be a hire by Payton to show the league the team has nothing to hide. The guy is a excellent Def back coach and IMO would be a excellent def co-od. Why don't you think he was ever hired for an assistant coach position in three off-seasons? The longer this guy stays out the harder it will be for him to get back in.

[RMJK]

Originally Posted by DanNamath

Slight exaggeration. He wasn't top shelf, but the potential was there. He definitely was fired too soon, Rex love or not. The year Pennington went down, didn't help him either. He won't name any other kids after FA mercenary QB's anymore. He won't tell any organizational secrets anymore. The stint at ESPN has probably done wonders for him in terms of self reflection. He'll learn from past mistakes.

Only in America....

I agree with your assessment. Mangini learned a lot from coaching here, and Cleveland. We all learn from our mistakes.

[Jetfan16]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Teams Most Productive Players Under Mangini (2006):

QB -- Pennington
Leader Rushers -- Leon Washington, Cedric Houston
Leading Recievers -- Lav. Coles, Cotchery, McCariens, Baker (TE)
Leading Tacklers -- Rhodes, Barton, Coleman, Vilma
Leading INT's -- Rhodes, Dyson, Barrett

Teams Most Productive Players Under Herm (2005):

QB -- Pennington
Leading Rushers -- Curtis Martin, Cedric Houston
Leading Recievers -- Lav. Coles, McCariens, Jolly/Baker (TE), Cotchery
Leading Tacklers -- Vilma, Rhodes, Coleman, Hobson
Leading INT's -- Law, Barrett, Coleman

Going down the list, it sure looks to me like the best players, producing the most, on Mangini's 2006 team were core players of Herm's 2005 4 win team.

And we have no idea if Mangini would have stayed with the one glaring difference....Curtis Martin....had he stayed and not retired. Given Mangini's penchant for Veterans, I have no doubt Martin would have started in 2006 as well, if he was healthy.

So tell me again about how "void of talent" we were, and all the great talent Mangini brought it.....cause it sure looks like 2006 was almost name for name where it counts, production, a clone of Herm's 2005 team.

Hah? So you're saying that because Mangini took the same team that Herm Edwards won 4 games with the previous year and ended up winning 10 with in his first year, that therefore Mangini was only equal, if not worse than Herman Edwards? Am I getting that straight?

[DDNYjets]

Mangini was a casualty of MetLife Stadium. He never got half the mulligans that Rex has.

He will try to rebuild his reputation in New Orleans. He seems like the type of guy that learns from his mistakes. I think his time at ESPN has helped him develop a personality and learn to work with people.

[24]

ANTHONY Schlegal. lol

[Buzzsaw]

I obviously hope this doesn't happen but a 3-13, 4-12 type season in 2013 would put Rex's w/l record pretty close to Mangini's. Not saying that Mangini was a great hc but Rex really isn't either. We just finished in last place behind the Dolphins and Bills (!) and could be in for a rough upcoming season. Rex has a lot to prove, I wouldn't even classify him as a good coach right now.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by patman

And they thought Williams thru Payton under the bus to Godell, mangini would rat out his wife.

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by 24

ANTHONY Schlegal. lol

Mangini's a great talent evaluator. I tell ya.

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Mangini was a casualty of MetLife Stadium. He never got half the mulligans that Rex has.

He will try to rebuild his reputation in New Orleans. He seems like the type of guy that learns from his mistakes. I think his time at ESPN has helped him develop a personality and learn to work with people.

Mulligans? Rex won 2 more playoff games his first year as Jets HC then Mangenius won during his entire 5 years as an NFL HC.

[Jordy]

Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Mangini's a great talent evaluator. I tell ya.

So he doesn't get credit for

Ferguson
Mangold
Leon Washington
Brad Smith
Revis
Harris

??

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by Jordy

So he doesn't get credit for

Ferguson
Mangold
Leon Washington
Brad Smith
Revis
Harris

??

Ferg. and Manghold were Best Available in their draft classes at positions of need. You don't get bonus points when those work out.

Leon Washington is a JAG kickoff return specialist (i.e. McKnight)

Brad Smith was useful, in a minor way, if you liked the Wildcat.

Revis was a great choice. As was Harris. Obvious choices too, but still.

Remind me tho, didn't he also draft Ghost, another BAP , inthe first? Seems like Mangini pretty mcuh went with consensus players in the first, and hit on many of them. But they were still consensus picks. Not exactly shocker picks who worked out.

So, outside obvious BAP #1 picks, how did Mangini "The Evaluator" do? Surelywe have a dozen+ starters from the rest of his drafts right? Kellen Clemens leading us to the Super Bowl in 2013, amirite?

Agree to disagree I guess.

[Rolling Thunder]

Originally Posted by Dunnie

Plus 10 ... He was just not ready to be a HC when we had him. Awesome football acumen. He will return to being a HC eventually ... And I think he will be very very good.

100% agree. Mangini has the brains and the work ethic to be a really good HC. He was somewhat ruined by the BB influence and all the early success. He thought BB's way was the only way.

Some day in the next 5-8 years, after a stint or two at DC, or even some higher executive title, Mangini will find a good place to land and he will do a good job.

Not looking to fight with anyone here, but the guy drafted some really good players for both the Jets and the Browns. No fights, please. Just my opinion.