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jetstream23 · 01-27-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

No you don't.

The good/great teams build a defense from the inside out, not the outside in.

On paper, I'd agree with that. But, would you agree that for the past 4 years the Jets have had a good/great defense? They've been AT LEAST good each of the last 4 years and elite probably twice (rankings of 1, 5, 3 and 8 in Yards allowed over 4 years).

Now, do you think the Jets have been especially strong on the inside? I think they've been average up the middle and have used a mediocre patchwork of linemen over the years with little to no organic passrush.

PatsFanTX · 01-27-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jetstream23

On paper, I'd agree with that. But, would you agree that for the past 4 years the Jets have had a good/great defense? They've been AT LEAST good each of the last 4 years and elite probably twice (rankings of 1, 5, 3 and 8 in Yards allowed over 4 years).

Now, do you think the Jets have been especially strong on the inside? I think they've been average up the middle and have used a mediocre patchwork of linemen over the years with little to no organic passrush.

I agree with that 23.

I actually thought the Jets "patchwork" DLine did a decent job. Not much more than you can expect.

For the last 2 years, the Jets LB's have been terrible.

Jets need to find one more stud DLineman to go along with Couples and Wilkerson (both who I feel will be very good) and get younger and faster at the LB position.

Nike · 01-27-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

No you don't.

The good/great teams build a defense from the inside out, not the outside in.

yes you do build a team with a player like revis.

why should i care about your opinion anyway.

the patriots suck.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-27-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

No you don't.

The good/great teams build a defense from the inside out, not the outside in.

Says who?

Besides, if you already have a piece to the puzzle..... Why trade that piece away. There is more than one way to skin a cat

PatsFanTX · 01-27-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

Besides, if you already have a piece to the puzzle.....

What's more important to the puzzle?

One piece or 4 pieces?

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-27-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

What's more important to the puzzle?

One piece or 4 pieces?

What's more important. 1 proven piece or zero?

Nike · 01-27-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

What's more important. 1 proven piece or zero?

exactly the best in the nfl. trade him for what ifs and maybes. no thanks

southparkcpa · 01-27-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nike

i agree.

you build a team with players like revis.

there are other worthless players on this team making more money than they should be.

david harris needs his contract restructured.

the new gm needs to sit down with revis and try and restructure his deal to make it favorable for everyone and retire him a jet.

Interestingly...watching NFL Countdown.

NOT ONE of the panel agrees with you. Ditka, Keyshawn, Carter, Jackson all say you MUST move him.

I heard Ditka say exactly what I previously posted. ONE MAN does not a team make.

Love Revis too...but he needs to go.

Think about it...unbiased experts, ALL of THEM disagree with your sentiment. Its not even a mixed review. UNANIMOUS to move him.

Frankdds · 01-27-2013, 11:46 AM

I'm not debating the track records of the GM candidates I noted, just simply that their supposed strength is as 'personnel' guys.

Second, this is Common Sense 101. The only reason most teams don't pay cornerbacks 14-16 million is because they do not have a CB at the level of Revis. He is universally regarded as the best at his position, by a mile. There have been very few players at that position that compare to Revis. And he's not done (forget the ACL Surgery - see Adrian Peterson), AND, he plays in a defensive scheme that relies on CBs.

The salary cap will improve this year and next. We have all our picks this year. Keep the guys worth keeping, rely on the second year guys (Coples, Hill, Davis), and draft WELL this year!

Revis WILL get paid. Period. Just a matter of which team. And if not the Jets, probably by much better run franchises than the Jets.

Savage69 · 01-27-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

What's more important to the puzzle?

One piece or 4 pieces?

Revis Fever catch it if you can.. We don't need no other stinking players Lord Revis does it all... Oh and bring lots of green his favorite color..

Nike · 01-27-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Interestingly...watching NFL Countdown.

NOT ONE of the panel agrees with you. Ditka, Keyshawn, Carter, Jackson all say you MUST move him.

I heard Ditka say exactly what I previously posted. ONE MAN does not a team make.

Love Revis too...but he needs to go.

Think about it...unbiased experts, ALL of THEM disagree with your sentiment. Its not even a mixed review. UNANIMOUS to move him.

so because those has beens say it must be true?

they all hate the jets.

Choon328 · 01-27-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

Says who?

Besides, if you already have a piece to the puzzle..... Why trade that piece away. There is more than one way to skin a cat

B/c that one piece could get you 3 pieces in return and cost a lot less then that one piece.

southparkcpa · 01-27-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

What's more important to the puzzle?

One piece or 4 pieces?

Emotional fans wont ever get it. They will hang on to their 24 jersey while Texans , 49ers, and MANY teams we should be better than go to the playoffs.

Texans have NO REGRETS letting Williams go. He would hurt the ability to pay others.

In life as in football, emotional decisions hurt you long term.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-27-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Choon328

B/c that one piece could get you 3 pieces in return and cost a lot less then that one piece.

You are right....... "COULD"

southparkcpa · 01-27-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nike

so because those has beens say it must be true?

they all hate the jets.

Yeah...that's true

Unbiased, they gave excellent rationale but you know better.

Curious, any experts agree with your sentiment? There are a few Im sure, I just thought it interesting that NONE were on ESPN.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-27-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Emotional fans wont ever get it. They will hang on to their 24 jersey while Texans , 49ers, and MANY teams we should be better than go to the playoffs.

Texans have NO REGRETS letting Williams go. He would hurt the ability to pay others.

In life as in football, emotional decisions hurt you long term.

You can't automatically think that every person that wants to keep Revis wants to because of an emotional attachment. I'm sure there are some that do. There are legit arguments either way. I'm just not comfortable giving him up for the unknown. Now if they trade him for players, then i'd be more willing to listen.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 01-27-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Yeah...that's true

Unbiased, they gave excellent rationale but you know better.

Curious, any experts agree with your sentiment? There are a few Im sure, I just thought it interesting that NONE were on ESPN.

Inaccurate. "Stink" is one that believes they should keep him.

southparkcpa · 01-27-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

You can't automatically think that every person that wants to keep Revis wants to because of an emotional attachment. I'm sure there are some that do. There are legit arguments either way. I'm just not comfortable giving him up for the unknown. Now if they trade him for players, then is be more willing to listen.

I see NO LEGIT reason to pay him Mario Williams money.

It will hurt this team for 5 years.

A CB tying up say 7 to 10 percent of the cap?

If you agree with this it MUST be emotional.

Find me a defensive player worth that? Oh...Mario Williams, That's right.

Texans say hello.

Nike · 01-27-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Yeah...that's true

Unbiased, they gave excellent rationale but you know better.

Curious, any experts agree with your sentiment? There are a few Im sure, I just thought it interesting that NONE were on ESPN.

i know better

cut the **** and add you to the list of revis haters.

trade him for draft picks who might not even make the roster.

then we will all have something else to ***** about.

Untouchable · 01-27-2013, 12:00 PM

Hey, if Revis would be willing to sign for $12-13 million per (which would still make him the highest paid DB in NFL history), then I'd say lock him up.

But $16 million per?

LOL

Send his ass packing to the highest bidder.

You guys in the "pay Revis whatever he wants" camp are f*cking goofy.

Sorry, I'm not interested in giving a CB a contract on par with the best QB's in the game today. How anyone can condone that is beyond me.

Where the hell do we draw the line with this guy and say enough is enough?

You know that even if we make Revis the highest paid defensive player in history, he'll eventually come back to the bargaining table 2-3 years down the road.

I say get a couple of hight draft picks in return, free up a boatload of money in the future, and fix this abortion of an offense.

01-27-2013, 11:46 AM	#209
Frankdds Waterboy Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4	I'm not debating the track records of the GM candidates I noted, just simply that their supposed strength is as 'personnel' guys. Second, this is Common Sense 101. The only reason most teams don't pay cornerbacks 14-16 million is because they do not have a CB at the level of Revis. He is universally regarded as the best at his position, by a mile. There have been very few players at that position that compare to Revis. And he's not done (forget the ACL Surgery - see Adrian Peterson), AND, he plays in a defensive scheme that relies on CBs. The salary cap will improve this year and next. We have all our picks this year. Keep the guys worth keeping, rely on the second year guys (Coples, Hill, Davis), and draft WELL this year! Revis WILL get paid. Period. Just a matter of which team. And if not the Jets, probably by much better run franchises than the Jets.

01-27-2013, 12:00 PM	#220
Untouchable Big whoop, wanna fight about it? Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,473	Hey, if Revis would be willing to sign for $12-13 million per (which would still make him the highest paid DB in NFL history), then I'd say lock him up. But $16 million per? LOL Send his ass packing to the highest bidder. You guys in the "pay Revis whatever he wants" camp are f*cking goofy. Sorry, I'm not interested in giving a CB a contract on par with the best QB's in the game today. How anyone can condone that is beyond me. Where the hell do we draw the line with this guy and say enough is enough? You know that even if we make Revis the highest paid defensive player in history, he'll eventually come back to the bargaining table 2-3 years down the road. I say get a couple of hight draft picks in return, free up a boatload of money in the future, and fix this abortion of an offense.