Is WR Santonio Holmes Tradebale? - Jets Insider.com Forums

Warfish · 01-29-2013, 11:02 AM

1. Is he moveable under the Cap, would it/could it save us anything?

2. Is he moveable at all? Would any other NFL want him?

DDNYjets · 01-29-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Warfish

1. Is he moveable under the Cap, would it/could it save us anything?

2. Is he moveable at all? Would any other NFL want him?

Movebale? Anybody is moveable if another team is willing to take them and we are willing to take the cap hit/dead money.

Here is his salary info courtesy of Jason.
http://nyjetscap.com/santonioholmes.html

From the looks of that, I would say he is a virtual lock not to be on the team in 2014. This year, I think he will be a Jet.

Borgoguy · 01-29-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Movebale? Anybody is moveable if another team is willing to take them and we are willing to take the cap hit/dead money.

Here is his salary info courtesy of Jason.
http://nyjetscap.com/santonioholmes.html

More great contract work from our former "capologist". Kudos, Tannendunce.

DDNYjets · 01-29-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Borgoguy

More great contract work from our former "capologist". Kudos, Tannendunce.

All he ever did was rob Peter to pay Paul. I would be shocked if he ever got another job running the cap for a team.

Borgoguy · 01-29-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

All he ever did was rob Peter to pay Paul. I would be shocked if he ever got another job running the cap for a team.

I mean, WTF was his thinking? Those back loaded numbers for Holmes' deal are stunning.

Jungle Shift Jet · 01-29-2013, 11:15 AM

He's worth at least 3 bales

PMarsico9 · 01-29-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Warfish

1. Is he moveable under the Cap, would it/could it save us anything?

2. Is he moveable at all? Would any other NFL want him?

1) No.

2) No.

augustiniak · 01-29-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

All he ever did was rob Peter to pay Paul. I would be shocked if he ever got another job running the cap for a team.

tanny's moves were very selfish. he knew his time as gm was short so he did everything he could to get more room now even if it hurt the team for years. that's why he locked up sanchez last year, b/c he got a bit more room last year. he could have cared how he left the franchise if he got canned.

DDNYjets · 01-29-2013, 11:26 AM

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tanny's moves were very selfish. he knew his time as gm was short so he did everything he could to get more room now even if it hurt the team for years. that's why he locked up sanchez last year, b/c he got a bit more room last year. he could have cared how he left the franchise if he got canned.

Not to mention that he overpaid his own players. I can forgive the Holmes contract b.c teams overpay all the time in FA. But the Harris contract is what has really killed us. The idea of signing your guys that you drafted before they hit FA is that you save some $$$. I was OK with signing Harris b.c he was a good player but at the time I did complain about overpaying him.

He tried to keep all the top players he drafted and pay them well which is pretty much impossible to do w/o destroying the cap AND thinning the roster. And with the Jets it proved to be impossible b.c we are in cap hell and have a thin roster. We are very top heavy in terms of contracts and some of those guys are under-performing.

We are going to end up with a ton of cap room in 2014 if we don't sign anybody this year and shed Pace, Scott, Harris, Holmes between now and then. But we will have a lot of spots to fill. If Idzik knows what he is doing we could have a quick turnaround. Our cap problems are really only for 2013.

JETFAN1 · 01-29-2013, 11:34 AM

This is another player the Jets should trade before the deadline if he is having a good year. It didn't happen with Keller this season because he was hurt..

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Play2Win · 01-29-2013, 11:46 AM

looks like we're gonna have to wait till 2014 to purge this team of underachievers and malcontents.

1- Holmes gone 2014
2- Sanchez gone
3- Rex gone

southside · 01-29-2013, 11:50 AM

I might not be a genius but it appears we'd save 1.25M by cutting him this year.

The problem is finding a guy to fit in at 1.25M and play the position.

patman · 01-29-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Not to mention that he overpaid his own players. I can forgive the Holmes contract b.c teams overpay all the time in FA. But the Harris contract is what has really killed us. The idea of signing your guys that you drafted before they hit FA is that you save some $$$. I was OK with signing Harris b.c he was a good player but at the time I did complain about overpaying him.

He tried to keep all the top players he drafted and pay them well which is pretty much impossible to do w/o destroying the cap AND thinning the roster. And with the Jets it proved to be impossible b.c we are in cap hell and have a thin roster. We are very top heavy in terms of contracts and some of those guys are under-performing.

We are going to end up with a ton of cap room in 2014 if we don't sign anybody this year and shed Pace, Scott, Harris, Holmes between now and then. But we will have a lot of spots to fill. If Idzik knows what he is doing we could have a quick turnaround. Our cap problems are really only for 2013.

Heh, you were the guys who thought he was a god because he never had to let good guys go and was able to sign new guys every year. But don't just blame him, all three deserve some of the blame. Woody wanted to sell psls, Rex knew he had a window with guys in their late 20s, and Tanny loved being refered to as a cap genius. We don't know if he told woody what problems his FA binge would cause.

In 2014 the cap situation will be great. They will extend wilkenson and Kerley
with front loaded contracts to keep the number low in later years. Maybe extend Cro, get a couple of guys like Maclin, harvin, James Jones, Scott Chandler

Sourceworx · 01-29-2013, 11:57 AM

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I might not be a genius

I'd say you're definitely not one.

Xmarco · 01-29-2013, 11:59 AM

Ok can we list other players we can trade? David Harris for instance what would the cap hit be. Basically if Idzik can tell me that the next 2 yrs are geared toward the Super Bowl/Retirement party for Belicheat/Brady & the Pats then lets do it. Tanny's problem was believing the Jets were a couple of players away from winning the Super Bowl and not focusing on sustaining that run and adding depth thrru the draft. IMO He thought last year we be the defending Super Bowl champs, so all the crappy contracts and the "Revis" situation would be the cost of winning

southside · 01-29-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sourceworx

I'd say you're definitely not one.

You got a big S... it should have been a little s. Does this bother you?

Sourceworx · 01-29-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by southside

You got a big S... it should have been a little s. Does this bother you?

To be honest, yeah it kind of does.

sdJETSetter · 01-29-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Borgoguy

I mean, WTF was his thinking? Those back loaded numbers for Holmes' deal are stunning.

It is beyond incomprehensible Borgo. The Sanchez extension, and Santoni-HO deal are absolutely, mindblowingly stupid.

Those 2 signings/extension are the #1,#2 worse moves I have witnessed the franchise make in the past decade, including ALL draft selections, even the Gholston's and Nugents'.

The Jets are so handicapped by these two turdballs, that there is close to zero chance for success here in the 2013.

So sad. Still we must persevere, right?

southparkcpa · 01-29-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sourceworx

I'd say you're definitely not one.

What happened to Braumeister? Locked and gagged in a closet?

Beerfish · 01-29-2013, 12:10 PM

I can't wait until that low character clown #2 Wr masquerading as a #1 guy is off the team. I'd take McCairens over him.....well maybe not but....

01-29-2013, 11:02 AM	#1
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	Is WR Santonio Holmes Tradebale? 1. Is he moveable under the Cap, would it/could it save us anything? 2. Is he moveable at all? Would any other NFL want him?

01-29-2013, 11:15 AM	#6
Jungle Shift Jet Borgo Come Home All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alive with a superior intellect in an erudite world of fine tastes that you will never, EVER acquire Posts: 5,153	He's worth at least 3 bales

01-29-2013, 11:34 AM	#10
JETFAN1 Bored Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,782	This is another player the Jets should trade before the deadline if he is having a good year. It didn't happen with Keller this season because he was hurt.. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

01-29-2013, 11:46 AM	#11
Play2Win Act as if... Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,508	looks like we're gonna have to wait till 2014 to purge this team of underachievers and malcontents. 1- Holmes gone 2014 2- Sanchez gone 3- Rex gone

01-29-2013, 11:50 AM	#12
southside Forever Awesome All Pro Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,938	I might not be a genius but it appears we'd save 1.25M by cutting him this year. The problem is finding a guy to fit in at 1.25M and play the position.

01-29-2013, 11:59 AM	#15
Xmarco '13 Mission statement:Blow this whole Effin Program up Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,732	Ok can we list other players we can trade? David Harris for instance what would the cap hit be. Basically if Idzik can tell me that the next 2 yrs are geared toward the Super Bowl/Retirement party for Belicheat/Brady & the Pats then lets do it. Tanny's problem was believing the Jets were a couple of players away from winning the Super Bowl and not focusing on sustaining that run and adding depth thrru the draft. IMO He thought last year we be the defending Super Bowl champs, so all the crappy contracts and the "Revis" situation would be the cost of winning

01-29-2013, 12:10 PM	#20
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,116	I can't wait until that low character clown #2 Wr masquerading as a #1 guy is off the team. I'd take McCairens over him.....well maybe not but....