Bi-Partisan Immigration Reform Legislation Deal

[Warfish]

Bipartisan group of 8 senators reaches deal on immigration changes

A bipartisan group of eight senators plans to announce they have agreed on a set of principles for comprehensive immigration reform.

The deal, which will be announced at a news conference Monday afternoon, covers border security, guest workers and employer verification, as well as a path to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants already in this country.

The eight senators expected to endorse the new principles are Democrats Charles Schumer of New York, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado; and Republicans John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeff Flake of Arizona.

According to documents released early Monday, the senators will call for accomplishing four main goals:

--Creating a path to citizenship for the estimated illegal immigrants already in the U.S., contingent upon securing the border and better tracking of people here on visas.

--Reforming the legal immigration system, including awarding green cards to immigrants who obtain advanced degrees in science, math, technology or engineering from an American university.

--Creating an effective employment verification system to ensure that employers do not hire illegal immigrants.

--Allowing more low-skill workers into the country and allowing employers to hire immigrants if they can demonstrate they couldn't recruit a U.S. citizen; and establishing an agricultural worker program.

The principles being released Monday are outlined on just over four pages, leaving plenty of details left to fill in.

A Senate aide tells Fox News the group's principles say important security triggers must be met before a pathway for citizenship is created for illegals. Even then, the principles explicitly state that illegals must go to the back of the line behind would-be legal immigrants, and they will not be eligible for federal benefits while in the temporary legal status.

The aide tells Fox News that although many of the details of the bill still need to be worked out, those involved are encouraged by their progress and the support of senior senators. Members of the group on Sunday said they are seeking to craft a one-step, all-encompassing bill based on the shared principles.

“We are committed to a comprehensive approach to immigration that we can live with,” Durbin told “Fox News Sunday.”

Citizenship has been a sticking point in previous efforts, particularly among Capitol Hill Republicans. However, they appear willing to accept the path to citizenship, in part, so long as the legislation also includes tighter border security.

Tennessee Republican Sen. Bob Corker told Fox he is optimistic but “details matter.”

“We’re at the talking points stage,” he said. “We need to get to the legislation.”

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, also part of the group, said more work is needed on the legislation.

“I’m quietly optimistic we can get it done,” he told ABC’s “This Week.”

McCain, a key player in the 2007 effort on immigration reform, also acknowledged that President Obama’s overwhelming support among Hispanics in the November elections was a wakeup call to Republicans that they need to do more to reach out to that growing part of the population.

The group has been working since the November elections on the legislation and is expected to have a complete bill by March or April.

Several of these lawmakers have worked for years on the issue. McCain collaborated with the late Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy on comprehensive immigration legislation pushed by then-President George W. Bush in 2007, only to see it collapse in the Senate when it couldn't get enough GOP support.

Meanwhile, the president is scheduled to go to Las Vegas on Tuesday to talk about fixing “the broken immigration system this year,” according to the administration.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2JHoRU5E5

Wonder what the chances of this getting passed are, given the (R) sudden desire to roll over like a good liberal puppy on the issue of illegal immigration for votes.

[mallamalla]

Originally Posted by Warfish

Wonder what the chances of this getting passed are, given the (R) sudden desire to roll over like a good liberal puppy on the issue of illegal immigration for votes.

why, why why does it have to include a path to citizenship? Why cant it be left with permanent legal residency (green card) with no path to citizenship. citizenship enables votes, and more importantly, the right to sponsor family members outside the country.

[brady's a catcher]

I wonder if people will be confused when there is a country and a state named New Mexico?

[FF2®]

Originally Posted by mallamalla

why, why why does it have to include a path to citizenship? Why cant it be left with permanent legal residency (green card) with no path to citizenship. citizenship enables votes, and more importantly, the right to sponsor family members outside the country.

If you are going to tax them they are going to have to have the right to vote.

"No taxation without representation."

[southparkcpa]

Originally Posted by FF2®

If you are going to tax them they are going to have to have the right to vote.

"No taxation without representation."

I would say upwards of 95 percent of the illegals pay no tax and in fact get credits and subsidies.

Often, they confuse social security withholding as taxation.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by southparkcpa

I would say upwards of 95 percent of the illegals pay no tax and in fact get credits and subsidies.

Something that the forthcoming Amnesty Plan will not change. The vast majority of illegals will still not make a "living wage", and will now be fully elligible for all social welfare programs.

In pure in/out, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" legislation will be a large hefty cost to taxpayers, as not only will many of the 20+ million illegals-nor-legal immediately go on social aid, but the new "import a low-skilled laboror" portion of the law will start importing additional social aid recipients by the literal truckload.

But....since it's all but a done deal and a non-issue now, who cares.

[piney]

some quick reactions:

• a four page vague agreement seems to be far away from a done deal.
• I am surprised Rubio is a player in a deal that grants citizenship to illegals, even with his cultural ties, he has been annointed the next republican golden boy for a few years, this would probably put a crimp to that
• There is little detail, I'm okay with a path to citizenship as long as it goes hand in hand with only granting that citizenship to productive and law abiding people and that it includes a hefty punishment for being here illegally in the first place. A punishment that should be felt by worker and employer
• to me, this is the most important part of the piece:

  McCain, a key player in the 2007 effort on immigration reform, also acknowledged that President Obama’s overwhelming support among Hispanics in the November elections was a wakeup call to Republicans that they need to do more to reach out to that growing part of the population.

  if true that is probably going to shape republican legislation on immigration in a way many conservatives will not be happy with.

[Warfish]

Originally Posted by piney

[*]I am surprised Rubio is a player in a deal that grants citizenship to illegals, even with his cultural ties, he has been annointed the next republican golden boy for a few years, this would probably put a crimp to that

You're a bit late Piney ol chap. The (R) are all about pandering and buying off Hispanic voters now, same as (D) has been.

[BushyTheBeaver]

Originally Posted by Warfish

You're a bit late Piney ol chap. The (R) are all about pandering and buying off Hispanic voters now, same as (D) has been.

Generally speaking I find democrats and republicans pander to illegals each for their own reasons but the end result is the same. On my block there are a number of well-heeled liberals who support the "rights of illegal Americans" out of touchy-feely as-long-as-they-don't live-in-my-neighborhood goodness. Then there are the equally well-heeled republicans, half of whom own landscaping services, who love the cheap labor, who cheat on their taxes as easy as breathing, and to whom brown skin = inferior peoples. Both groups happily and without concern dump the infrastructure costs of supporting illegal aliens on the American public.

[24]

Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver

Generally speaking I find democrats and republicans pander to illegals each for their own reasons but the end result is the same. On my block there are a number of well-heeled liberals who support the "rights of illegal Americans" out of touchy-feely as-long-as-they-don't live-in-my-neighborhood goodness. Then there are the equally well-heeled republicans, half of whom own landscaping services, who love the cheap labor, who cheat on their taxes as easy as breathing, and to whom brown skin = inferior peoples. Both groups happily and without concern dump the infrastructure costs of supporting illegal aliens on the American public.

Exactly. That has been the whole issue for decades. No party really wants stop illegal immigration. The Repubs want the cheap labor, the dems want the votes.

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Told ya about this cheesy puke long ago

https://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/s...80&postcount=5

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by 24

Exactly. That has been the whole issue for decades. No party really wants stop illegal immigration. The Repubs want the cheap labor, the dems want the votes.

Utter nonsense. What "Republican" aligned enterprise needs unskilled labor?

[parafly]

This is clearly political pandering, but nevertheless, it is an inevitable and positive step for the prospects of the Republican Party.

Generally speaking, Latinos tend to hold more socially conservative views. If the GOP can capture the good graces of this voting block, we could see the beginning of a momentum swing in the political spectrum. It would be wise to appeal to this rapidly growing segment of society.

[DDNYjets]

Anything in this bill about strengthening our borders, and not giving guns to cartels????

[quantum]

Originally Posted by brady's a catcher

I wonder if people will be confused when there is a country and a state named New Mexico?

we'll have New Mexico and Newer Mexico

or

New, New Mexico

or

maybe even Awesome Mexico

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by parafly

This is clearly political pandering, but nevertheless, it is an inevitable and positive step for the prospects of the Republican Party.

Generally speaking, Latinos tend to hold more socially conservative views. If the GOP can capture the good graces of this voting block, we could see the beginning of a momentum swing in the political spectrum. It would be wise to appeal to this rapidly growing segment of society.

More lib nonsense, as a group they are huge nanny state proponents/recipients - better they should stop stealing from everyone else

[parafly]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

More lib nonsense, as a group they are huge nanny state proponents/recipients - better they should stop stealing from everyone else

Many Republican strategists disagree with you.

Hey, it's your party. Keep alienating growing populations. Not exactly a smart move in a democratic political system.

[Jungle Shift Jet]

Originally Posted by parafly

Many Republican strategists disagree with you.

Hey, it's your party. Keep alienating growing populations. Not exactly a smart move in a democratic political system.

Are you a GOP strategist? Registered GOP? If not, I could not possibly care less what you think.

Democratic political systems (in America's case a republic) especially in America despite what libs and crypto-liberals think are not kleptocracies where un-citizens continuously steal from others.

[JetPotato]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

Are you a GOP strategist? Registered GOP? If not, I could not possibly care less what you think.

Democratic political systems (in America's case a republic) especially in America despite what libs and crypto-liberals think are not kleptocracies where un-citizens continuously steal from others.

Are you Latino?

[long island leprechaun]

Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet

Are you a GOP strategist? Registered GOP? If not, I could not possibly care less what you think.

Democratic political systems (in America's case a republic) especially in America despite what libs and crypto-liberals think are not kleptocracies where un-citizens continuously steal from others.

According to a good number of economists, the transition of illegal immigrant to citizen will result in two dollars gained for every one dollar spent for the U.S. economy. In addition, we are an aging population that is not sustaining birth rates at a level to pay for the retirement of boomers. An influx of new citizens will actually be a good thing. Besides, as much as people rail about unemployment among our legal citizenry, you can't get a teenage drop-out to work as a farm worker or "landscaper" these days, much less watch our kids or in other ways shore up our service infrastructure. The more I think about it, the more I think it's a good idea. As to stealing, that's going on at every level of our society. How many businesses bury cash transactions and don't declare them as income?