BREAKING:MARSHALL FAULK CALLS OUT PATRIOTS FOR CHEATING

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by GreenReaper

Next year...Commish Goodell's memo to every NFL team...explicitly forbidding electronic video taping of opposing team's signals.

That is just not true.

Goodell never sent out a memo "forbidding electronic video taping of opposing team's signals."

What that memo stated was teams could not tape from the sidelines, and the only place allowed for taping was the press box or high above each end zone.

Here is exactly what the memo stated:

In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game

[GreenReaper]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

That is just not true.

Goodell never sent out a memo "forbidding electronic video taping of opposing team's signals."

What that memo stated was teams could not tape from the sidelines, and the only place allowed for taping was the press box or high above each end zone.

Lol...big deal...you know what I meant...unfair cheating via video taping is verboten...period.

By the way...that 2006 year...that culminated with the Pats playing the Colts in the playoffs. The Pats had a 17-0 halftime lead. Colts came back to win. When Dungy was asked what were the Colts halftime adjustments. He said he changed the team's signals. And he didn't have a pleasant look on his face when mentioning this.

It is what it is.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Taping had nothing to do with it.

Coughlin implemented a great game plan and the Giants defense executed perfectly.

Pats had no answer for the Giants pressure up the middle.

BB simply got outcoached in that Super Bowl game.

Exactly taping had nothing to do with it. This guy finally gets it.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Sorry Charlie. Point of FACT is the Jets DID do it, to the Pats no less. Difference is, the Pats didn't turn them into the league when caught. They just told them to knock it off. Google it. It's true.

Originally Posted by bcess

LOL

Ok, I'll do it for you. Are you going to laugh off the Associated Press story as well?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

Jets videotaped Patriots last season in Foxborough
Updated: December 13, 2007, 9:27 AM ET
Associated Press

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- The spy games between the New York Jets and New England Patriots began last season.

The Jets were caught videotaping at Gillette Stadium last season and the Patriots had that New York employee removed from the area, according to published reports Wednesday. Jets coach Eric Mangini said his team received permission to film behind both end zones during the playoff game in January.

"We taped the game is what we taped, and we taped end-zone copy of the game, and we tape a double-end zone, which is standard operating procedure for us," Mangini said Wednesday. "We request that every single road game, and it's usually granted if physically it's possible. And when people request it from us, we do the same thing: We grant it."

Mangini maintained the Jets did nothing wrong and had filmed at New England during the regular season without incident. It was nothing like what the Patriots did earlier this season, when a New England employee was caught taping New York's defensive signals and punished by the league.

"We do it every time we go on the road," Mangini repeated. "We ask for permission to do it. It's within the league rules, and when people ask us to do it, we grant it, as well."

When asked why the Patriots stopped the Jets if they had already given them permission, Mangini just shrugged.

"I don't know," he said. "Really, it just was what it was. We had asked for permission, it was granted and then that changed, and we respect their decision. It's their stadium."

Mangini was also asked if the Jets were, at all, taping the Patriots' defensive signals.

"No," Mangini said.

He was then asked if the Patriots requested similar permission to have someone taping at various angles or end-zone angles. Again, Mangini replied simply: "No."

The Jets have not asked the undefeated Patriots if they can film from the end zones this Sunday at Foxborough.

"Just didn't look to get permission," Mangini said. "Didn't think it would be granted."

New England coach Bill Belichick refused to address the situation during his news conference with Patriots reporters.

"There's a lot of things that have happened in the past," Belichick said. "Really, the past is in the past."

Patriots players were also staying away from the issue, much as they did when Pittsburgh's Anthony Smith guaranteed a victory over New England last week.

"It just doesn't matter. Who cares?" safety Rodney Harrison said. "It has no impact whatsoever, just like when Smith made his comments. It has no impact. The game isn't won or lost through the media Monday through Saturday. It's won or lost on Sunday, 1 o'clock. It's whoever makes more plays."

This is just the latest in the long-running rivalry between the teams. After helping Belichick and the Patriots win three Super Bowls as a defensive assistant, Mangini left to become coach of the Jets. The relationship between the two has been frosty since.

Things got even chillier after a Patriots video assistant was caught taping from the sidelines during their game against the Jets in Week 1, a move some speculated fueled New England's drive to perfection. The NFL punished the Patriots by taking away their first-round draft pick, fined them $250,000 and fined Belichick another $500,000.

A league rule prohibits teams from using a video camera on the sidelines for any purpose. In the Jets' case, they were filming from the end zone. The Jets film from both end zones during practice, a common procedure used by NFL teams.

"When you practice, anytime you practice, you try to shoot the unit from the sideline and then from the end zone behind them, so that you can see hand placement, fits, that type of thing," Mangini said. "That's how you watch practice every day. That's how you evaluate practice every day. And it's the same thing with games. You like to have that same copy because, really, that's just an extension of the evaluation."

Mangini was unsure how many teams have asked for similar permission from New York but said the Jets have granted it to those that have. He also said the Jets have not been turned down by any teams this season.

"It's usually just a function of whether there's a location that we can do it from or not," he said. "It's a pretty common courtesy."


Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

[eurojet]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Ok, I'll do it for you. Are you going to laugh off the Associated Press story as well?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

Did you even read the article you posted??...Jets get/give permission to tape the game= standard practice. Did they tape defensive signals illegally?.."No."(Mangini).

[sg3]

poor guido

still denying the fact that his team has NEVER won a legitimate untainted superbowl

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Lets assume you are correct? How does that change the fact that the Pats SB victories are tainted? You are making the Lance Armstrong argument. Everyone doesn't cheat or if it makes you feel better seek an edge outside the rules.

Lets face it the Jets and the Pats have had an awful lot of the coaches from the same tree. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Jets cheated in the same manner. Arguing that this was SOP from BB coaching tree isn't exactly a defense.

The best that can be said about your post is BB apparently doesn't rat out his boys.

Not the same at all. I'm not defending it by saying 'everybody did it". But that doesn't negate the fact that many DID. What I AM saying is I don't believe the act of videotaping from the sideline is all that different from taping from the press box or end zone. Or that it's even all that different from what can be seen with the human eye from the sideline or the stands (which is all perfectly legal). So unlike posters here who , like Pavlov's dogs, scream SPYGATE every time they are reminded that it's been 45 futile years since their last rodeo, I believe the Pats won their trophies because they were the better team that day. To BB, who is admittedly anal about everything that relates to his team and the game, video taping was simply more efficient than doing it by hand.


There's too many leaps of faith to believe otherwise....

-How did the team decipher the tapes during a 12 minute halftime to gather an advantage?
-How would it work logistically to alter the play from the sidelines when the helmet radio is cut off 15 seconds before the play clock expires?
-If it was so underhanded, why did the Pats video tape out in the open using a fully uniformed cameraman?
-How would knowing defensive signals help when teams change them game-to-game, and even half-to-half and quarter-by-quarter?
-Many players and coached have left the Pats, some with a bad taste in their mouth. Why hasn't a single one come forward with anything related to cheating?
-Why is the location of the camera so egregious, that it should taint any championship, when it would have been a non-issue if it were done from the end zone?
-Most importantly, why am I trying to convince Jets fans something they will never admit to, as like Pavlov's dogs, they need to salivate Spygate every time a Superbowl bell is rung.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by eurojet

Did you even read the article you posted??...Jets get/give permission to tape the game= standard practice. Did they tape defensive signals illegally?.."No."(Mangini).

LMAO!!!!


Mangini: It was okay. They gave us permission.
Bellichick: No. We. Didn't.

Why didn't we just say that? It's okay, REALLY Mr. Goodell, THEY SAID SO!


Don't be a rube.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by sg3

poor guido

still denying the fact that his team has NEVER won a legitimate untainted superbowl

I thought you were gone for good. Perma-banned or dirt nap. Wasn't sure.

Welcome back, Sunshine.

[Mohegangreen]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

LMAO!!!!


Mangini: It was okay. They gave us permission.
Bellichick: No. We. Didn't.

Why didn't we just say that? It's okay, REALLY Mr. Goodell, THEY SAID SO!


Don't be a rube.

You must not have read the article, the Jets cameramen were filming from the end zone, not illegally from the sideline like you're Team was caught doing

[sg3]

Your personal attack reported

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Ok, I'll do it for you. Are you going to laugh off the Associated Press story as well?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

Let me get this correct, I post an article that clearly demonstrates that the Jets were not illegally taping during the Pats so called mythic SB runs and you respond by showing that the Jets were leagally taping when they hired a former NE employee in Mangini who was thoroughly familiar with the means and methods of Patriot unbridled CHEATING!!

Good Grief

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by sg3

Your personal attack reported

Huh?


What?



Where?

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by Mohegangreen

You must not have read the article, the Jets cameramen were filming from the end zone, not illegally from the sideline like you're Team was caught doing

Right.

So then we've established that it's not the act of filming itself that gave them such an edge that all their Super Bowl wins are tainted. It was from exactly WHERE they were doing the filming that gave them such an edge.



Ok, Got it.

[lamont_jordan_rules]

Lol, funny watching the pats fans bob and weave trying to argue the issue

You cheated , were caught, were punished


It def explains that SB against rams you had no business winning





Ljr

[Mohegangreen]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Right.

So then we've established that it's not the act of filming itself that gave them such an edge that all their Super Bowl wins are tainted. It was from exactly WHERE they were doing the filming that gave them such an edge.



Ok, Got it.

Atta Boy, Fight the fight...😜👍

[eurojet]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

LMAO!!!!


Mangini: It was okay. They gave us permission.
Bellichick: No. We. Didn't.

Why didn't we just say that? It's okay, REALLY Mr. Goodell, THEY SAID SO!


Don't be a rube.

I'm just pointing out your poor reading comprehension here. There is no denial/quote from BB regarding the game you are referring to...just a standard BB non-answer-"past is the past". If your going to post articles as proof that everyone including the Jets were *cheating, please read them, and try to understand what is being said/ written first, thankyou.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by eurojet

I'm just pointing out your poor reading comprehension here. There is no denial/quote from BB regarding the game you are referring to...just a standard BB non-answer-"past is the past". If your going to post articles as proof that everyone including the Jets were *cheating, please read them, and try to understand what is being said/ written first, thankyou.

My reading comprehension is just fine. I just wanted to establish that what the Pats did is perfectly fine if done from the endzone like the Jets, and in fact, every other team in the league does. The ONLY difference is location. BUT the Pats are the only ones who got hosed for 3/4 million $ and a 1st round pick for the sake of 50 yards of real estate. Big bad Bill.

Yeah, that's SOME taint.


This thread should now be good for at least 30 more pages. Carry on.

[NY's stepchild]

You hear NFL cheating, and the first thing in your mind is the Patriots. No wonder you guys are so upset. It didn't give us an advantage. Yeah that's just what the baseball players said. Sad really.

[sg3]

pat fans= sad and pathetic


show them some compassion though

their hideous franchise has been in existance for more than 52 years and in that entire half century plus their drunken slobbering fanbase has NEVER seen a SINGLE untainted legitimate super bowl win