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RoadFan · 02-04-2013, 11:01 AM

I can't help but think "what if" the Jets did the smart thing and dumped their idiot OC midseason? Does anyone in their right mind think Baltimore wins the SB if Cameron was still their OC? 2010 should have been our year. Schitty mucked it up with that call on 3rd and 17 right before halftime. SMH

McGinley · 02-04-2013, 11:04 AM

Jmat321 · 02-04-2013, 11:06 AM

Talked about this exact thing last night with a friend of mine who's actually a Bears fan. He says, "What if the Jets fired Schotty and promoted Bill Callahan after that NE blowout a few years ago? Do you win in Pitt come January?"

southparkcpa · 02-04-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RoadFan

I can't help but think "what if" the Jets did the smart thing and dumped their idiot OC midseason? Does anyone in their right mind think Baltimore wins the SB if Cameron was still their OC? 2010 should have been our year. Schitty mucked it up with that call on 3rd and 17 right before halftime. SMH

Our loss to PITT was not really lack of offense as much as much as we got beat at all points by 1st half.

We beat PITT that year regular season.

RoadFan · 02-04-2013, 11:13 AM

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Our loss to PITT was not really lack of offense as much as much as we got beat at all points by 1st half.

We beat PITT that year regular season.

You're right, and you're wrong IMO. They were outplayed in the 1st half. However, it was 17-0 when Schitty gave them the 24-0 lead with that playcall. I really believe the Jets would have come back and won that game. That 7 points was the difference, regardless of the crap at the goal line.

freestater · 02-04-2013, 11:15 AM

Schoddy: the gift that keeps on giving.

djaparz · 02-04-2013, 11:16 AM

I don't blame Schooty for that game. He called a good game vs Indy & NE in the playoffs. I always thought that #1 the Jets beating NE the week before took that fire out of them and just made think they were going to go into Pittsurgh and beat them again. #2. 3rd & 17 id Schooty calls a running play everyone kills him for not tryong to get the yardage. Since he called pass we know what happened. Team was just flat that first half. Nothing worked.

Forgot the goal line sequence though.

RoadFan · 02-04-2013, 11:21 AM

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I don't blame Schooty for that game. He called a good game vs Indy & NE in the playoffs. I always thought that #1 the Jets beating NE the week before took that fire out of them and just made think they were going to go into Pittsurgh and beat them again. #2. 3rd & 17 id Schooty calls a running play everyone kills him for not tryong to get the yardage. Since he called pass we know what happened. Team was just flat that first half. Nothing worked.

Forgot the goal line sequence though.

Not me. I was at that game with my father and turned to him and said, "draw and punt right?"
"Yup."
That call was inexcusable. He should have been fired at halftime...and many times long before...

carlito1171 · 02-04-2013, 11:25 AM

Hindsight is always 20/20.....

C Mart · 02-04-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RoadFan

You're right, and you're wrong IMO. They were outplayed in the 1st half. However, it was 17-0 when Schitty gave them the 24-0 lead with that playcall. I really believe the Jets would have come back and won that game. That 7 points was the difference, regardless of the crap at the goal line.

And Rex's D not only came out flat they couldn't make a stop at the end to get the ball back.

But lets keep blaming the OC.

Down, Set, Haiku · 02-04-2013, 11:41 AM

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And Rex's D not only came out flat they couldn't make a stop at the end to get the ball back.

But lets keep blaming the OC.

This

DDNYjets · 02-04-2013, 11:48 AM

It's much simpler than that.

Baltimore hired Harbaugh. We hired Rex.

I think we learned this year that Schotty, although being awful, got much more blame than he deserved.

Beerfish · 02-04-2013, 11:59 AM

Yes, the OC was for sure the problem with this team. We can tell by the way our offense flourished under Goggles Pizzano this past year. The fact that Pitt ran all over our iron clad run D meant little or nothing in that game.

kennyo7 · 02-04-2013, 12:08 PM

Rex's vaunted Defense lost the AFCCG in Pittsburgh after failing to show up for the first half and then not being able to stop Pittsburgh on a critical 3rd down to seal the game. Thats not how great defenses play. But dont tell that to Rex or those who bow to Rex as being a Defensive genius.

No , lets blame the OC instead.

southparkcpa · 02-04-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RoadFan

You're right, and you're wrong IMO. They were outplayed in the 1st half. However, it was 17-0 when Schitty gave them the 24-0 lead with that playcall. I really believe the Jets would have come back and won that game. That 7 points was the difference, regardless of the crap at the goal line.

with about 5 minutes left..I thought we were gonna win.

southparkcpa · 02-04-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

And Rex's D not only came out flat they couldn't make a stop at the end to get the ball back.

But lets keep blaming the OC.

Agreed.

RoadFan · 02-04-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

And Rex's D not only came out flat they couldn't make a stop at the end to get the ball back.

But lets keep blaming the OC.

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Yes, the OC was for sure the problem with this team. We can tell by the way our offense flourished under Goggles Pizzano this past year. The fact that Pitt ran all over our iron clad run D meant little or nothing in that game.

I feel like I'm arguing with the wrong group around here, intelligent and well-respected. The team was flat, yeah... no argument there. However, the defense shut them out in the second half and only gave up 17 points over the course of the game. Schitty gave up the 7 that dug the hole too deep.

Part of this thread was the idea that the Ravens made the right decision and the Jets made the wrong one. It got lost in the mix. That fact is almost without debate IMO.

jetlifer · 02-04-2013, 12:15 PM

yes the Ravens organization is superior to the Jets organization...they selected Harbaugh and passed on Ryan...now we know why.

Hopefully, we now have a leader who can right the ship. We will see.

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 02-04-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

And Rex's D not only came out flat they couldn't make a stop at the end to get the ball back.

But lets keep blaming the OC.

"Coming out flat" doesn't actually mean anything quantifiable. And yes, it was the defenses fault that the offense scored 0 zero points going into halftime. So they get the ball back for the offense, for the offense to continue scoring zero points. Yay!

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 02-04-2013, 12:20 PM

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Hindsight is always 20/20.....

And then there's foresight, like Harbaugh showed by firing Cameron in mid-season, and completely rearranging the O-line, which totally altered Flacco's play, suddenly making him 'elite' and 'magnificent'. The Jets would never make a gutsy move like firing an OC in mid-season, they can't even do it after the season, not until he has stuck around for one or two years too long and stunk up the joint.

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RoadFan is tired of the Jets missing on their 2nd round picks. Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 1,857	Ravens fire Cameron, win SB. Jets kept Schitty, lost in 'Burgh. I can't help but think "what if" the Jets did the smart thing and dumped their idiot OC midseason? Does anyone in their right mind think Baltimore wins the SB if Cameron was still their OC? 2010 should have been our year. Schitty mucked it up with that call on 3rd and 17 right before halftime. SMH Last edited by RoadFan; 02-04-2013 at 11:17 AM.

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Jmat321 Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Lawn Guyland Posts: 126	Talked about this exact thing last night with a friend of mine who's actually a Bears fan. He says, "What if the Jets fired Schotty and promoted Bill Callahan after that NE blowout a few years ago? Do you win in Pitt come January?"

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freestater we gonna lay around the shanty, Mama, and put a good buzz on Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 13,512	Schoddy: the gift that keeps on giving.

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djaparz All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Staten Island Posts: 9,385	I don't blame Schooty for that game. He called a good game vs Indy & NE in the playoffs. I always thought that #1 the Jets beating NE the week before took that fire out of them and just made think they were going to go into Pittsurgh and beat them again. #2. 3rd & 17 id Schooty calls a running play everyone kills him for not tryong to get the yardage. Since he called pass we know what happened. Team was just flat that first half. Nothing worked. Forgot the goal line sequence though.

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carlito1171 The Dawn of the John Idzik Era All League Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,856	Hindsight is always 20/20.....

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DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,307	It's much simpler than that. Baltimore hired Harbaugh. We hired Rex. I think we learned this year that Schotty, although being awful, got much more blame than he deserved.

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Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,090	Yes, the OC was for sure the problem with this team. We can tell by the way our offense flourished under Goggles Pizzano this past year. The fact that Pitt ran all over our iron clad run D meant little or nothing in that game.

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kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,404	Rex's vaunted Defense lost the AFCCG in Pittsburgh after failing to show up for the first half and then not being able to stop Pittsburgh on a critical 3rd down to seal the game. Thats not how great defenses play. But dont tell that to Rex or those who bow to Rex as being a Defensive genius. No , lets blame the OC instead.

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jetlifer hopes that John Idzik can clean up this mess Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 843	yes the Ravens organization is superior to the Jets organization...they selected Harbaugh and passed on Ryan...now we know why. Hopefully, we now have a leader who can right the ship. We will see.