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patman · 02-06-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Jets could probably afford 1 of anybody if they shuffle money around.

But then they wouldn't be able to afford anyone else.

An RB alone won't fix the Jets.

This year is about building on the foundation of Mangold and Dbrick on offense and Wilkenson and Coples on Defense.

The jets have to make a decision at cornerback.

Are they going to Trade Revis or sign him, if they trade him will it be done in march before he can work out for another team? Or in July when he is on the field and proven healthy. Downside being the teams with cap room may have already addressed the need or no longer have the 12-15 mill of space.

Based on Revis' direction, is Cro traded 2weeks prior to the draft after the FA corner class is gone to whoever is left without a CB?

Right now Revis's contract is the elephant in the room.

JFB · 02-06-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

All the hate talk around hear is disheartening about Greene. I see his flaws of course BUT I liked the guy. CMART, FMAC, ...who else was better post 1980?

Im sure im missing one but he played hard for us in our 2009 and 2010 runs.

Good luck to him.

Thomas Jones, Adrian Murrell, Leon Washington, Ladanian

rhyan66 · 02-06-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by patman

This year is about building on the foundation of Mangold and Dbrick on offense and Wilkenson and Coples on Defense.

The jets have to make a decision at cornerback.

Are they going to Trade Revis or sign him, if they trade him will it be done in march before he can work out for another team? Or in July when he is on the field and proven healthy. Downside being the teams with cap room may have already addressed the need or no longer have the 12-15 mill of space.

Based on Revis' direction, is Cro traded 2weeks prior to the draft after the FA corner class is gone to whoever is left without a CB?

Right now Revis's contract is the elephant in the room.

Is this true? I thought players had a pass a physical before they could be traded?

revischrist · 02-06-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

All the hate talk around hear is disheartening about Greene. I see his flaws of course BUT I liked the guy. CMART, FMAC, ...who else was better post 1980?

Im sure im missing one but he played hard for us in our 2009 and 2010 runs.

Good luck to him.

There isn't hate, there is just the realization that he wasn't very good. He played hard, but had no moves and was always ranked at the bottom of the league in yards after first contact (something pretty pathetic for a guy who is not known for his speed or elusivness).

In addition, we have had a good run of solid, but not spectacular RBs since the 80s with Freeman, Cmart, T. Jones, johhny hector, A Murrell, Richie Anderson, Blair Thomas, LT and Leon Washington. None were great (outside of maybe Cmart) but none were any worse than Greene.

I can't see Powell being any worse than Greene and he will come at a much lower price tag. Getting rid of Greene is a no brainer move and he will likely have a hard time finding another team willing to give him a starting job.

PETER PAT · 02-06-2013, 09:51 AM

Danny Woodhead is a Free Agent.

Charlie Brown · 02-06-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot

About damn time.

This guy should have been demoted or dumped two years ago. He is a never-was who, as usual, the Jets hold on to for way too long hoping he will turn into a quality player.

Ummm this...

I can't believe that there are people who are out here saying he was held back by the OL and the QB. Are folks aware that Greene was one of the worst RB in the NFL with only one player to beat!!!

The above fact was posted out here during the season and yet people want to play FF and act like if SG where playing with say Brady he would turn into Jim Brown!!!!

Good Grief!!!

Sourceworx · 02-06-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PETER PAT

Danny Woodhead is a Free Agent.

We need an NFL running back, not one of Snow White's dwarves.

John_0515 · 02-06-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sourceworx

We need an NFL running back, not one of Snow White's dwarves.

Ha. That was pretty good.

patman · 02-06-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rhyan66

Is this true? I thought players had a pass a physical before they could be traded?

They don't have to pass a physical, but all trades are subject to a physical.

If the new team doctors give him a MRI and think that the knee will be sound, they could sign off on the trade, If they look and ligaments look frayed they may not.

Batmans A Scientist · 02-06-2013, 10:37 AM

Shonn Greene has 6 carries in the last 2 seasons of 20+ yards

To put that in perspective:

Only Cedric Benson has less 20+ yard gains of anyone who carried the ball more than 300 times over the last 2 seasons.

Steven Jackson is the 2nd lowest of those who carried the ball 500+ times, 11 carries of 20+ yards.

Shonn Greene had 42 Carries of 10+ yards. (I make the assumption of once you get past 10 yards on the ground, it's less about the OL and more about the RB). 14% of his carries of 10+ yards resulted in carries of 20+ yards. That's really, really bad.

Again, of those who carried the ball more than 300x, only Ahmad Bradshaw had a lower number. The league average was over 25%.

This is just one stat, and sort of a made up one, at that. But Shonn Greene, is not a playmaker, and it's not simply because "the Jets line isn't good".

BamaJets · 02-06-2013, 10:41 AM

Just thought I would pass this along like I do for every Greene thread:

Not a great back by any stretch, but he has lost just 1 fumble in his past 698 touches. No other RB in the league can say that.

chesapeakejet · 02-06-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

That's FMAC, I believe.

Thomas Jones, Johnny Johnson, Curtis Martin, Freeman McNeil, Johnny Hector, Brad Baxter (who Shonn Greene is the reincarnate of), Ladanian Tomlinson, Adrian Murrel, Cedric Houston, Blair Thomas, Leon Washington, Emerson Boozer, Matt Snell, Lamont Jordan, Roger Vick, Richie Anderson.....who else?

Pick the ones out that you wouldn't take over Shonn Greene. There are a few, but not many.

You forgot Riggo.

PatsFanTX · 02-06-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chesapeakejet

You forgot Riggo.

They guy between Sandra's legs?

chrisjets23 · 02-06-2013, 11:01 AM

Greene will not fit in Mornhinweg's system. RBs in west coast system have to be able to run off tackle and show production in the passing game. Greene can't do either.

southparkcpa · 02-06-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sourceworx

We need an NFL running back, not one of Snow White's dwarves.

Sadly..he may have been our most productve back if we didnt cut him.

Thats more a function of how much we suck than he is good. But he aint bad.

revischrist · 02-06-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

Sadly..he may have been our most productve back if we didnt cut him.

Thats more a function of how much we suck than he is good. But he aint bad.

He isn't a starting running back so he could never have been our "most productive back". He is a 3rd down back, at best. If he got 20 carries a game he would be in the emergency room by week 3.

We had LT on our team and Woodhead was never going to see the light of day. Granted, we could have really used Woodhead this year.

rhyan66 · 02-06-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by patman

They don't have to pass a physical, but all trades are subject to a physical.

If the new team doctors give him a MRI and think that the knee will be sound, they could sign off on the trade, If they look and ligaments look frayed they may not.

Thank you sir!

SlickBri481 · 02-06-2013, 01:49 PM

Time to move on from Greene. He isn't terrible, but he isn't a bigtime playmaker and is pretty limited. I thank him for his contributions in the playoffs and wish him well. Fact is, nearly any RB we grab in 2nd or 3rd round can likely replace his production (and probably more explosion) behind our solid o-line.

dickkotite · 02-06-2013, 01:53 PM

the classic JAG

bye bye buddy

Austin · 02-06-2013, 04:04 PM

Greene really only excelled once -- in 2009 when his role was to hammer the defense late in the second half after they were already tired.

As a feature back he's never been anything but disapointing.

02-06-2013, 09:51 AM	#65
PETER PAT Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,259	Danny Woodhead is a Free Agent.

02-06-2013, 10:37 AM	#70
Batmans A Scientist Watching the American East Championship All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Manhattan, NY Posts: 8,509	Shonn Greene has 6 carries in the last 2 seasons of 20+ yards To put that in perspective: Only Cedric Benson has less 20+ yard gains of anyone who carried the ball more than 300 times over the last 2 seasons. Steven Jackson is the 2nd lowest of those who carried the ball 500+ times, 11 carries of 20+ yards. Shonn Greene had 42 Carries of 10+ yards. (I make the assumption of once you get past 10 yards on the ground, it's less about the OL and more about the RB). 14% of his carries of 10+ yards resulted in carries of 20+ yards. That's really, really bad. Again, of those who carried the ball more than 300x, only Ahmad Bradshaw had a lower number. The league average was over 25%. This is just one stat, and sort of a made up one, at that. But Shonn Greene, is not a playmaker, and it's not simply because "the Jets line isn't good".

02-06-2013, 10:41 AM	#71
BamaJets Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,777	Just thought I would pass this along like I do for every Greene thread: Not a great back by any stretch, but he has lost just 1 fumble in his past 698 touches. No other RB in the league can say that.

02-06-2013, 11:01 AM	#74
chrisjets23 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 722	Greene will not fit in Mornhinweg's system. RBs in west coast system have to be able to run off tackle and show production in the passing game. Greene can't do either.

02-06-2013, 01:49 PM	#78
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,350	Time to move on from Greene. He isn't terrible, but he isn't a bigtime playmaker and is pretty limited. I thank him for his contributions in the playoffs and wish him well. Fact is, nearly any RB we grab in 2nd or 3rd round can likely replace his production (and probably more explosion) behind our solid o-line.

02-06-2013, 01:53 PM	#79
dickkotite SAR1 is my son..... All Pro Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 8,330	the classic JAG bye bye buddy

02-06-2013, 04:04 PM	#80
Austin WINNING All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 6,184	Greene really only excelled once -- in 2009 when his role was to hammer the defense late in the second half after they were already tired. As a feature back he's never been anything but disapointing.