Joe Flacco seeking to be highest paid QB in football

[Long Suffering Jets Fan]

Originally Posted by John_0515

Highest paid QB and highest paid DB is WAY different.

And since we're talking big contracts, I just laugh that Nnamdi is probably getting cut this year.

The point is they're both a negotiation. You don't end up getting what you ask for. It's game.

Agreed 100% on Nnamdi. For once things worked out well for us. Cro was better and cheaper.

[TheMikeIsHot]

Originally Posted by PMarsico9

Eli is elite. Without Eli the Giants offense is terrible. I'm sick of reading this. Manning has more 4,000 yard seasons than Marino, Montana, and Elway COMBINED.

I have no doubt that Matt Moore has done more with less than Flacco. I wouldn't even franchise him.

So are you always wrong or just most of the time?

[JonEJet]

He'll get paid elite money because he deserves it

Darrelle Revis too deserves it, but many Jets fans have a problem with it.

I don't get it, we're not paying a QB big money

[Rexipus Rex]

Originally Posted by revischrist

I will go one step further, Eli is VERY good QB. Would LOVE TO have him, but his team misses the playoffs (or gets knocked out first round) pretty frequently despite having ELITE Defensive lineman. His defense CARRIED him to his first SB. The second SB was all him like this past one was all Flacco. But that doesn't make him elite. ROdgers/Brady/Manning are elite. Flacco and Elli are just very good QBs that have some good season and some bad seasons.

Pretty much.

The lessons to be learned from this last two Super Bowls are this:

1) You don't have to have an "elite" (or whatever the hell that means) QB to win the Super Bowl. You do, however, need an above average QB who is capable of playing stretches as a top flight QB. Year-to-year consistency or regular season consistency isn't as important so long as the QB is playing at the top of his game in the playoffs. Case in point: Flacco's 115 QB rating this playoffs and Eli's 103 QB rating last playoffs despite the fact Flacco is a career 86 QB rating player and Eli a 83 career QB rating.

2) The truly "elite" QBs -- Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees -- and there are no more, are the ones that put their team in the playoffs nearly every single season. And even under that premise, you could argue Brees doesn't belong in that sentence since the Saints have missed the playoffs 3 times in Brees's 7 years there.

3) The playoffs are an utter crapshoot. At the end of the last two regular seasons, who the hell would have guessed the Giants and Ravens would be crowned SB champs? I sure as hell didn't.

[Vinny Testaverde's Niece]

Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex

Pretty much.
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2) The truly "elite" QBs -- Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees -- and there are no more, are the ones that put their team in the playoffs nearly every single season. And even under that premise, you could argue Brees doesn't belong in that sentence since the Saints have missed the playoffs 3 times in Brees's 7 years there.

Well that is the one thing you can say for Flacco, he has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league. The trouble was getting over the hump, and it seems the RAvens did it by changing things around Flacco to help him out (not to mention all that help from his wR's) rather than Flacco per se doing anything better. He's not really any better than say Matt Ryan who gets there every year, and they keep doing things like adding first round WR's, but just can't seem to get over the hump because of other problems (that they haven't solved but the RAvens have)

[Rexipus Rex]

Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece

Well that is the one thing you can say for Flacco, he has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league.

The Ravens deserve credit for that, not just Joe Flacco. In his five seasons, his finished as the: 22nd, 13th, 7th, 18th, and 12th best QB in terms of QB rating. He certainly wasn't a liability, but was he truly "leading" his team to the playoffs like better QBs were? Did other QBs have a top 5 RB in 4 of those 5 seasons (I'll concede Rice wasn't a dominating factor in '08)? Did other QBs have at minimum an above average defense every year with some of those years having a top 5, elite defense? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece

The trouble was getting over the hump, and it seems the RAvens did it by changing things around Flacco to help him out (not to mention all that help from his wR's) rather than Flacco per se doing anything better. He's not really any better than say Matt Ryan who gets there every year, and they keep doing things like adding first round WR's, but just can't seem to get over the hump because of other problems (that they haven't solved but the RAvens have)

They got over the hump because:

1) Flacco played the best four game stretch of his career

2) The playoffs are a crapshoot

3) Many players were playing over their heads in the playoffs -- namely Boldin, Pitta, Kruger.

[isired]

If you're going into a negotiation after the playoffs/super bowl he had, and you're NOT asking to be the highest paid QB, you need a new agent.

[Dimitri_0515]

He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins as Peyton and Drew Brees. He's going to get it.

[FreshBaked 24 7]

Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot

So are you always wrong or just most of the time?

Notice how he's gone?

He basically always tucks tail and hides when he's called out on his BS

[Joe W. Namath]

Originally Posted by Ruby2

He's going to get it.

And he should. Hes better then manning and brady at this point of there careers so he should make more then them.

[Ruby2]

Originally Posted by JonEJet

He'll get paid elite money because he deserves it

Darrelle Revis too deserves it, but many Jets fans have a problem with it.

I don't get it, we're not paying a QB big money

A decent qb is worth much more than an elite cb. Not much to get.

[Ruby2]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

And he should. Hes better then manning and brady at this point of there careers so he should make more then them.

Um let's just agree to disagree there although yes obviously Flacco has more productive years left than those two.

[ASG0531]

Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

And he should. Hes better then manning and brady at this point of there careers so he should make more then them.

Just like Eli was hands-down the best QB in the league as of last year, right? How'd that work out this season? Flacco has moved into Eli/Ben territory, but he's not on par with the elites. It will be good news for other AFC teams if/when Flacco does get his gigantic cap-hogging payday. As others have noted, the Ravens gambled on the Flacco contract situation and they're going to have to vastly overpay him.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by giddy up

Fail.

Not only is that a ridiculous comparison in todays NFL, but just doing a quick check you can see Marino alone had 6 seasons of over 4,000 yards and Eli has only had 3.

And Montana never threw for 4,000 yards. Carson Palmer threw for over 4,000 yards this year. Is he better than Montana?

Thank you...

Yep, according to posters out here he is....


Good Grief!!!

[tfine350z]

Its the medias and agents fault with all the "Elite" talk...they set the market for players......you don't hear Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or Eli saying he wants to be the highest paid...they are ruining the integrity of the game....

[patman]

Originally Posted by tfine350z

Its the medias and agents fault with all the "Elite" talk...they set the market for players......you don't hear Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or Eli saying he wants to be the highest paid...they are ruining the integrity of the game....

Well for one Drew Brees is the highest paid QB and held put until he was.t. Rogers Signed a 6 year 10 mill a year contract one year before FA, and after only starting 8 games at the end of 2014 he will become the highest paid.

Flacco was the superbowl winning qb and they built a team around his skill set.
The two faces of the team are most likely retiring. Critical players may leave in FA such as Kruger, Ellerbre, Williams and McKennie. Terrel Suggs will be 31 and is not the player he was 3 years ago. If They let Flacco walk what will they have 2 years from now.

And it is the agents job to get the most for him and his client.

[sameoldjets]

the big question always is can you take flacco and put him on any other team and expect the same success? some qb's have shown this to be true like manning or brees and roethlisberger can probably change teams effectively but outside of a few the qb's success is determined by the team he's playing on. he'll get his payday and it's rightly deserved but i doubt if he get into manning's class.

[sameoldjets]

i think you need to include roethlisberger in your elite class and maybe knock brady down a bit. big ben makes his team play much better and the oline doesn't have to be that good because he moves around so well and is great at finding the open receiver. brady requires his oline to block well. pressure brady and he falls like a cheap tent. ask yourself which qb would be able to take his talents to another team and succeed.

Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex

Pretty much.

The lessons to be learned from this last two Super Bowls are this:

1) You don't have to have an "elite" (or whatever the hell that means) QB to win the Super Bowl. You do, however, need an above average QB who is capable of playing stretches as a top flight QB. Year-to-year consistency or regular season consistency isn't as important so long as the QB is playing at the top of his game in the playoffs. Case in point: Flacco's 115 QB rating this playoffs and Eli's 103 QB rating last playoffs despite the fact Flacco is a career 86 QB rating player and Eli a 83 career QB rating.

2) The truly "elite" QBs -- Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees -- and there are no more, are the ones that put their team in the playoffs nearly every single season. And even under that premise, you could argue Brees doesn't belong in that sentence since the Saints have missed the playoffs 3 times in Brees's 7 years there.

3) The playoffs are an utter crapshoot. At the end of the last two regular seasons, who the hell would have guessed the Giants and Ravens would be crowned SB champs? I sure as hell didn't.

[joiseyjet]

Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515

He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins as Peyton and Drew Brees. He's going to get it.

But who says Balt. has to give it to him? The owner has brought the city 2 championships since coming there, he may feel he's good with the fans for a few years before overspending.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by JonEJet

He'll get paid elite money because he deserves it

Darrelle Revis too deserves it, but many Jets fans have a problem with it.

One is a play-making QB who wins Super Bowls.

The other is a guy who only neutralizes only one WR.

You don't see the difference?