The Jets should target Percy Harvin - Jets Insider.com Forums

LeonM · 02-10-2013, 04:36 PM

If I was running an NFL team and this guy was available through trade. I am going right after him. Percy Harvin is one of the most dangerous game breaking receivers in the entire league. He's in a class by himself. The reports are that The Minnesota Vikings are going to unload him and that the asking price is supposedly a 2nd round pick.

This relates to the Jets but any team with a brain would go after Harvin and he's worth a first round pick. I know that the Jets tried to trade up for him a few years back.

The Jets lack play makers and game breakers and that's exactly what Percy Harvin is. The Jets haven't had a player like him in ages. I understand that the Jets have a supposed cap problem but I'd deal for him and make it work. Harvin is dangerous with the ball is in hands and he's a great weapon for any offense and any quarterback(see Christian Ponder). This is a guy to take a risk on and break the bank for.

It's hard for me to believe that he'd only be available for a 2nd round pick. That's a steal and teams should be lining up to get him.

McGinley · 02-10-2013, 04:39 PM

Maybe if the Vikings throw in a **** ton of Excedrin into the deal, sure.

DBarrett=all<3 · 02-10-2013, 04:40 PM

I disagree. Harvin is a great example, in my opinion, of a guy you can't win with because he is so good that you can build an offense around what he can do, but unfortunately he is so often injured that once you have built this offense, he leaves you hanging once he is out with the inevitable injury. Injury-prone players are like an albatross around the neck of a team. You pay a good deal for them, you get little or nothing in return, and worse still, you cling to this idea that they will at some point return to a full season of health and perform at potential, which is far from given. This inhibits progress.

Harvin is a great player but we cannot be giving up draft picks and in my opinion he is not worth a 2, especially from our perspective as a team in a process of rebuilding the roster.

kmsurfs2000 · 02-10-2013, 04:42 PM

i would give a 2 for him in a heartbeat-he is a game breaker and jets have NONE on offense-a second rounder is nothing for him -jets will NOT get a player as skilled as him with their second round pick-he will end up with pats colts or skins

Dreamers · 02-10-2013, 04:49 PM

pass

BrowningNagle · 02-10-2013, 05:01 PM

Harvin would be a huge playmaker for the Jets....he does get injured a lot but for a 2d rder its worth the risk as hes still young. He would instantly be a big time upgrade and someone a DC would have to gameplan for....do it.

eaglenj · 02-10-2013, 05:03 PM

Theres some excellent issues in play here.

First off, a deal for Harvin as mentioned (for a draft pick) is exactly what led to us to have few draft picks in the past couple years and have some very expensive veteran players.

You can say "there is no one of harvins skill level in the 2nd round" and you would be 100% correct, but that isnt the way the NFL works. If you trade for Harvin you are also trading for the right to PAY him a big contract. What would a 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft be worth if they made $8 million a year instead of $1.5? Trading a pick for harvin, for a team in the jets situation is not smart team management.

Now the better question would be what about looking to the vikings for a deal for Revis and have harvin included? Now that "contract risk" is taken out of the equation as you are trading on 2014 UFA for another. The Vikings have $9 million attached to antione winfield that comes off the books after 2013, so they could in essence use that money for Revis in 2014 and "lessen the contract blow".

Or, even better for the jets, what about sending Cro straight up for marvin? Again we lose the contract risk as Cro comes off the books, we keep our draft picks, and since we are also in a similar position as the vikings (at WR not CB) holmes will come off the books for 2014 and we can use that money to pay harvin and then be able to hoepfuly still sign revis.

The vikings are a very interesting trade partner, and they can say what they want, but where theres smoke theres fire and harvin and the coach (who they like a lot) do not get along. However trading a draft pick for a 1 year rental who we then have to pay big money to is definitely not the way to go.

Dimitri_0515 · 02-10-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by McGinley

Maybe if the Vikings throw in a **** ton of Excedrin into the deal, sure.

You have become my favorite poster on here.

PatsFanTX · 02-10-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by McGinley

Maybe if the Vikings throw in a **** ton of Excedrin into the deal, sure.

Classic.

Well played.

CanadaSteve · 02-10-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

Theres some excellent issues in play here.

First off, a deal for Harvin as mentioned (for a draft pick) is exactly what led to us to have few draft picks in the past couple years and have some very expensive veteran players.

You can say "there is no one of harvins skill level in the 2nd round" and you would be 100% correct, but that isnt the way the NFL works. If you trade for Harvin you are also trading for the right to PAY him a big contract. What would a 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft be worth if they made $8 million a year instead of $1.5? Trading a pick for harvin, for a team in the jets situation is not smart team management.

Now the better question would be what about looking to the vikings for a deal for Revis and have harvin included? Now that "contract risk" is taken out of the equation as you are trading on 2014 UFA for another. The Vikings have $9 million attached to antione winfield that comes off the books after 2013, so they could in essence use that money for Revis in 2014 and "lessen the contract blow".

Or, even better for the jets, what about sending Cro straight up for marvin? Again we lose the contract risk as Cro comes off the books, we keep our draft picks, and since we are also in a similar position as the vikings (at WR not CB) holmes will come off the books for 2014 and we can use that money to pay harvin and then be able to hoepfuly still sign revis.

The vikings are a very interesting trade partner, and they can say what they want, but where theres smoke theres fire and harvin and the coach (who they like a lot) do not get along. However trading a draft pick for a 1 year rental who we then have to pay big money to is definitely not the way to go.

This makes FAR too much sense.....this will pop a few brains here.

The Ego Trip · 02-10-2013, 05:32 PM

I believe his migraine problem has been taken care of. If that's the case, he shouldn't be considered as injury prone as some of you guys are making him out to be.
This last season was the first one where he had to miss significant time, and there were even reports suggesting it was more because of his attitude and not the severity of the injury.

Ray Ray19 · 02-10-2013, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaglenj

Theres some excellent issues in play here.

First off, a deal for Harvin as mentioned (for a draft pick) is exactly what led to us to have few draft picks in the past couple years and have some very expensive veteran players.

You can say "there is no one of harvins skill level in the 2nd round" and you would be 100% correct, but that isnt the way the NFL works. If you trade for Harvin you are also trading for the right to PAY him a big contract. What would a 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft be worth if they made $8 million a year instead of $1.5? Trading a pick for harvin, for a team in the jets situation is not smart team management.

Now the better question would be what about looking to the vikings for a deal for Revis and have harvin included? Now that "contract risk" is taken out of the equation as you are trading on 2014 UFA for another. The Vikings have $9 million attached to antione winfield that comes off the books after 2013, so they could in essence use that money for Revis in 2014 and "lessen the contract blow".

Or, even better for the jets, what about sending Cro straight up for marvin? Again we lose the contract risk as Cro comes off the books, we keep our draft picks, and since we are also in a similar position as the vikings (at WR not CB) holmes will come off the books for 2014 and we can use that money to pay harvin and then be able to hoepfuly still sign revis.

The vikings are a very interesting trade partner, and they can say what they want, but where theres smoke theres fire and harvin and the coach (who they like a lot) do not get along. However trading a draft pick for a 1 year rental who we then have to pay big money to is definitely not the way to go.

Good post, agree with everything here, but a team like the Jets would not be in play to trade a first round pick for a player like Harvin, I'd be confident they either know, or would know the issue with Harvin, and would be pretty sure this would be leveraged during any negotiation for the player.

I'd be very much for a play at Harvin, even trading a player, Cro, Kyle Wilson? in any deal...

revischrist · 02-10-2013, 05:44 PM

We cannot trade our 2nd for him this year. Its too high. Plus I would be very happy starting the year with Holmes, Braylon, Hill and Kerly at WR (with possibly Jordan White developing as an option as well). That group would be 10 times better than the crap we had for most of the year (Post Holmes injury and pre-braylon).

I rather build this team through the draft and make some smaller moves to plug the holes left by the likes of Bart Scott/Pace/Thomas/Keller etc..

Hopefully, some of the young guys (demario/Allen/Bush/Billal/White/Coples) take the next step and we hit on a couple of draft picks. If that happens we could be a playoff team (assuming we can find a way to get average QB play--- a big question mark) and if things don't work out at QB/developing kids we didn't mortgage the future in the process and get another high draft pick to build with next year.

Savage69 · 02-10-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by revischrist

We cannot trade our 2nd for him this year. Its too high. Plus I would be very happy starting the year with Holmes, Braylon, Hill and Kerly at WR (with possibly Jordan White developing as an option as well). That group would be 10 times better than the crap we had for most of the year (Post Holmes injury and pre-braylon).

I rather build this team through the draft and make some smaller moves to plug the holes left by the likes of Bart Scott/Pace/Thomas/Keller etc..

Hopefully, some of the young guys (demario/Allen/Bush/Billal/White/Coples) take the next step and we hit on a couple of draft picks. If that happens we could be a playoff team (assuming we can find a way to get average QB play--- a big question mark) and if things don't work out at QB/developing kids we didn't mortgage the future in the process and get another high draft pick to build with next year.

+1 But what if they trade Revis

You would need a name change No??

Apache 51 · 02-10-2013, 05:50 PM

Jets have enough of their own headaches.

Nike · 02-10-2013, 05:56 PM

if the jets acquired a guy like harvin i think he might be one of a short list of players who might be able to help sanchez resurrect his career.

wrs--- harvin holmes edwards kerley hill or add holmes as part of the trade package.

PatsFanTX · 02-10-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

if the jets acquired a guy like harvin i think he might be one of a short list of players who might be able to help sanchez resurrect his career.

Just curious, how would Percy Harvin fix the following:

1) Sanchez's ability to read a defense.

2) Improve his decision making skills.

3) Eliminate all his INT's and fumbles.

4) And most importantly, improve his accuracy?

Ray Ray19 · 02-10-2013, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Just curious, how would Percy Harvin fix the following:

1) Sanchez's ability to read a defense.

2) Improve his decision making skills.

3) Eliminate all his INT's and fumbles.

4) And most importantly, improve his accuracy?

5) STFU Troll, and stop hijacking every thread with your bull****!

Dimitri_0515 · 02-10-2013, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Just curious, how would Percy Harvin fix the following:

1) Sanchez's ability to read a defense.

2) Improve his decision making skills.

3) Eliminate all his INT's and fumbles.

4) And most importantly, improve his accuracy?

Tom Brady is not clutch in the playoffs

Nike · 02-10-2013, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Just curious, how would Percy Harvin fix the following:

1) Sanchez's ability to read a defense.

2) Improve his decision making skills.

3) Eliminate all his INT's and fumbles.

4) And most importantly, improve his accuracy?

first off he would improve field position on kick returns.

he would add a dimension to the offense that sanchez has never seen here.

when sanchez had edwards holmes and cotchery he did pretty well.

harvin is a route runner and playmaker and battles for the ball.

harvin a special player might bring out the best or better in sanchez.

02-10-2013, 04:36 PM	#1
LeonM Practice Squad Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 480	The Jets should target Percy Harvin If I was running an NFL team and this guy was available through trade. I am going right after him. Percy Harvin is one of the most dangerous game breaking receivers in the entire league. He's in a class by himself. The reports are that The Minnesota Vikings are going to unload him and that the asking price is supposedly a 2nd round pick. This relates to the Jets but any team with a brain would go after Harvin and he's worth a first round pick. I know that the Jets tried to trade up for him a few years back. The Jets lack play makers and game breakers and that's exactly what Percy Harvin is. The Jets haven't had a player like him in ages. I understand that the Jets have a supposed cap problem but I'd deal for him and make it work. Harvin is dangerous with the ball is in hands and he's a great weapon for any offense and any quarterback(see Christian Ponder). This is a guy to take a risk on and break the bank for. It's hard for me to believe that he'd only be available for a 2nd round pick. That's a steal and teams should be lining up to get him.

02-10-2013, 04:39 PM	#2
McGinley We Know Geno All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,402	Maybe if the Vikings throw in a **** ton of Excedrin into the deal, sure.

02-10-2013, 04:40 PM	#3
DBarrett=all<3 Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY Posts: 470	I disagree. Harvin is a great example, in my opinion, of a guy you can't win with because he is so good that you can build an offense around what he can do, but unfortunately he is so often injured that once you have built this offense, he leaves you hanging once he is out with the inevitable injury. Injury-prone players are like an albatross around the neck of a team. You pay a good deal for them, you get little or nothing in return, and worse still, you cling to this idea that they will at some point return to a full season of health and perform at potential, which is far from given. This inhibits progress. Harvin is a great player but we cannot be giving up draft picks and in my opinion he is not worth a 2, especially from our perspective as a team in a process of rebuilding the roster.

02-10-2013, 04:42 PM	#4
kmsurfs2000 Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 118	i would give a 2 for him in a heartbeat-he is a game breaker and jets have NONE on offense-a second rounder is nothing for him -jets will NOT get a player as skilled as him with their second round pick-he will end up with pats colts or skins

02-10-2013, 04:49 PM	#5
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,394	pass

02-10-2013, 05:01 PM	#6
BrowningNagle Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 869	Harvin would be a huge playmaker for the Jets....he does get injured a lot but for a 2d rder its worth the risk as hes still young. He would instantly be a big time upgrade and someone a DC would have to gameplan for....do it.

02-10-2013, 05:03 PM	#7
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,834	Theres some excellent issues in play here. First off, a deal for Harvin as mentioned (for a draft pick) is exactly what led to us to have few draft picks in the past couple years and have some very expensive veteran players. You can say "there is no one of harvins skill level in the 2nd round" and you would be 100% correct, but that isnt the way the NFL works. If you trade for Harvin you are also trading for the right to PAY him a big contract. What would a 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft be worth if they made $8 million a year instead of $1.5? Trading a pick for harvin, for a team in the jets situation is not smart team management. Now the better question would be what about looking to the vikings for a deal for Revis and have harvin included? Now that "contract risk" is taken out of the equation as you are trading on 2014 UFA for another. The Vikings have $9 million attached to antione winfield that comes off the books after 2013, so they could in essence use that money for Revis in 2014 and "lessen the contract blow". Or, even better for the jets, what about sending Cro straight up for marvin? Again we lose the contract risk as Cro comes off the books, we keep our draft picks, and since we are also in a similar position as the vikings (at WR not CB) holmes will come off the books for 2014 and we can use that money to pay harvin and then be able to hoepfuly still sign revis. The vikings are a very interesting trade partner, and they can say what they want, but where theres smoke theres fire and harvin and the coach (who they like a lot) do not get along. However trading a draft pick for a 1 year rental who we then have to pay big money to is definitely not the way to go.

02-10-2013, 05:32 PM	#11
The Ego Trip Take it sleazy Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Apalachin Posts: 1,223	I believe his migraine problem has been taken care of. If that's the case, he shouldn't be considered as injury prone as some of you guys are making him out to be. This last season was the first one where he had to miss significant time, and there were even reports suggesting it was more because of his attitude and not the severity of the injury.

02-10-2013, 05:44 PM	#13
revischrist Dee Best! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,717	We cannot trade our 2nd for him this year. Its too high. Plus I would be very happy starting the year with Holmes, Braylon, Hill and Kerly at WR (with possibly Jordan White developing as an option as well). That group would be 10 times better than the crap we had for most of the year (Post Holmes injury and pre-braylon). I rather build this team through the draft and make some smaller moves to plug the holes left by the likes of Bart Scott/Pace/Thomas/Keller etc.. Hopefully, some of the young guys (demario/Allen/Bush/Billal/White/Coples) take the next step and we hit on a couple of draft picks. If that happens we could be a playoff team (assuming we can find a way to get average QB play--- a big question mark) and if things don't work out at QB/developing kids we didn't mortgage the future in the process and get another high draft pick to build with next year.

02-10-2013, 05:50 PM	#15
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,608	Jets have enough of their own headaches.

02-10-2013, 05:56 PM	#16
Nike Fix it or sell it Woody! Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,386	if the jets acquired a guy like harvin i think he might be one of a short list of players who might be able to help sanchez resurrect his career. wrs--- harvin holmes edwards kerley hill or add holmes as part of the trade package.