Which would you rather in the first and second rounds?? - Page 2 - Jets Insider.com Forums

doggin94it · 02-21-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by augustiniak

so for a team that can't score, you want to take a defensive player and a guard in the first two rounds? good thing you guys aren't the gms.

the simple, indisputable bottom line is that, while the jets have many positions of need, they need players who can score. if they once again ignore this concept - that they need to draft offensive playmakers early in the draft - they will once again struggle to score, regardless of who plays quarterback.

I know, right?! And the amazing thing is they have this attitude in a draft loaded with high-end skill position talent. I mean, Geno Smith, Keenan Allen, Eddie Lacy . . . if those players don't scream "dominant perennial all-pro," I don't know who does . . .

Bottom line, you can't draft what isn't there.

Rexipus Rex · 02-21-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

Newsflash: Moore, Werner, Mingo, Jones, Ansah, and Jordan aren't all going to develop into dominant passrushers at the next level.

Oh, ok. Didn't get that memo. Thanks for filling me in.

And for the record, I prefer the Warmack/Okafor scenario. I'd actually prefer a Warmack/best TE or RB scenario even better.

nycdan · 02-21-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by doggin94it

I know, right?! And the amazing thing is they have this attitude in a draft loaded with high-end skill position talent. I mean, Geno Smith, Keenan Allen, Eddie Lacy . . . if those players don't scream "dominant perennial all-pro," I don't know who does . . .

Bottom line, you can't draft what isn't there.

Thank you for saying this before i did because you said it much nicer than I might have.

Dreamers · 02-21-2013, 08:05 PM

neither

capoliver · 02-21-2013, 08:23 PM

warmack/okafor really like both at 1 & 2. would love seeing this. also lets take a shot at landry jones if available in rd. 4

Tinstar · 02-22-2013, 07:49 AM

Personally i would prefer Ziggy Ansah and Tavis Frederick. I really want that 13th pick from Tampa for Revis.

TheMikeIsHot · 02-22-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamers

neither

Same here.

JetOrange · 02-23-2013, 06:02 PM

Ansah and Bernard

TheMo · 02-23-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

No kidding

And you always hear these same people go on about "you don't draft for need, take the BAP".

I guess that philosophy gets tossed out the window when it comes to OLB.

Newsflash: Moore, Werner, Mingo, Jones, Ansah, and Jordan aren't all going to develop into dominant passrushers at the next level.

That's BS. I could do the same thing and say Warmack isn't going to be a dominant guard at the next level too. It's always a chance. I would take Moore over Warmack and not look back. Jones too if the docs felt he was clear medically.

Untouchable · 02-24-2013, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

That's BS. I could do the same thing and say Warmack isn't going to be a dominant guard at the next level too. It's always a chance. I would take Moore over Warmack and not look back. Jones too if the docs felt he was clear medically.

You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying. You think there are going to be 5-6 elite passrushers to come out of this draft, much less the 1st round alone? Please.

At least half of these guys are going to be total flops.

There are some on this board who want a passrusher at #9, regardless of who it is.

That's drafting strictly for need. Basically what dumb teams do.

You don't see me running around screaming for us to draft every OG under the sun. The only OL I give two sh*ts about taking in Round 1 is Warmack. Why? Because he's arguably the best overall player in this draft and a rare prospect at his position.

I'm all for taking the BAP, and if Warmack is still on the board when we pick, odds are he's that guy. Period.

Also, according to Tony, Jarvis Jones is about to experience a Daquan Bowers-esque drop into the 2nd/3rd round. No damn way I take him over Warmack. Dude is one collision away from being confined to a wheelchair.

And it's HIGHLY unlikely that Moore falls to us.

So, do I take a total boom or bust prospect like Ansah or a highly inconsistent stickman like Mingo over Warmack? Not a chance in hell.

TheMo · 02-24-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying. You think there are going to be 5-6 elite passrushers to come out of this draft, much less the 1st round alone? Please.

At least half of these guys are going to be total flops.

There are some on this board who want a passrusher at #9, regardless of who it is.

That's drafting strictly for need. Basically what dumb teams do.

You don't see me running around screaming for us to draft every OG under the sun. The only OL I give two sh*ts about taking in Round 1 is Warmack. Why? Because he's arguably the best overall player in this draft and a rare prospect at his position.

I'm all for taking the BAP, and if Warmack is still on the board when we pick, odds are he's that guy. Period.

Also, according to Tony, Jarvis Jones is about to experience a Daquan Bowers-esque drop into the 2nd/3rd round. No damn way I take him over Warmack. Dude is one collision away from being confined to a wheelchair.

And it's HIGHLY unlikely that Moore falls to us.

So, do I take a total boom or bust prospect like Ansah or a highly inconsistent stickman like Mingo over Warmack? Not a chance in hell.

Okay my bad I clearly was misinterpreting what you were saying. Tony has stated that Mingo is a monster pass rusher, only reason I am really that high on him. I mean I definitely would not be unhappy with Warmack over Mingo, Warmack is definitely the safer pick. However, I think Moore falls. I have this feeling he will test poorly kinda like Warmack. Guys like Ansah and Mingo will rise due to the opposite (testing REALLY well). For me the pick comes down to Warmack v. Moore v. Mingo. If Jones is really the risk you say he is then I guess he's out.

Untouchable · 02-24-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

Okay my bad I clearly was misinterpreting what you were saying. Tony has stated that Mingo is a monster pass rusher, only reason I am really that high on him. I mean I definitely would not be unhappy with Warmack over Mingo, Warmack is definitely the safer pick. However, I think Moore falls. I have this feeling he will test poorly kinda like Warmack. Guys like Ansah and Mingo will rise due to the opposite (testing REALLY well). For me the pick comes down to Warmack v. Moore v. Mingo. If Jones is really the risk you say he is then I guess he's out.

Mingo has a lot of potential as a passrusher, but his build scares me. The dude is built like a safety. Sure, he can bulk up. But will that hamper his athleticism which is his biggest trait?

TheMo · 02-24-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

Mingo has a lot of potential as a passrusher, but his build scares me. The dude is built like a safety. Sure, he can bulk up. But will that hamper his athleticism which is his biggest trait?

I agree. Spot on assessment. Like I said only guy I would be pissed if we passed over for Warmack would be Moore. The rest are not really complete prospects. Mingo I like if only because Tony liked what he saw on tape and I see him a bit like Von Miller.

FreshBaked 24 7 · 02-24-2013, 07:22 PM

No to Mingo

LSU Dlinemen don't pan out

Untouchable · 02-24-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshBaked 24 7

No to Mingo

LSU Dlinemen don't pan out

This is a valid concern too.

Guys like Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey were supposed to be studs and they've been mediocre at best.

Hell, I remember when a ton of people were calling Dorsey the next Warren Sapp.

C Mart · 02-24-2013, 07:36 PM

@jetswhispers: Demontre Moore a big question mark #nyj http://t.co/0RV4lRa7d4

sec.101row23 · 02-24-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

@jetswhispers: Demontre Moore a big question mark #nyj http://t.co/0RV4lRa7d4

LOL...Jesus, is anyone worthy of a top 10 pick this year???

Play2Win · 02-24-2013, 07:52 PM

Id take Moore. same thing happened to Suggs cuz he wasn't fast in his 40 time. Look at the tape!

FreshBaked 24 7 · 02-24-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

LOL...Jesus, is anyone worthy of a top 10 pick this year???

They're all allergic to our money

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Originally Posted by C Mart

@jetswhispers: Demontre Moore a big question mark #nyj http://t.co/0RV4lRa7d4

Please fall, I would be so happy if we got Moore in our laps

Tinstar · 02-24-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Play2Win

Id take Moore. same thing happened to Suggs cuz he wasn't fast in his 40 time. Look at the tape!

Really like this player, but

No natural strength
Character issues
Position change

I prefer Ansah.

02-21-2013, 08:05 PM	#24
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,396	neither

02-21-2013, 08:23 PM	#25
capoliver Waterboy Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 35	warmack/okafor really like both at 1 & 2. would love seeing this. also lets take a shot at landry jones if available in rd. 4

02-22-2013, 07:49 AM	#26
Tinstar Saved,and Thankfull All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,445	Personally i would prefer Ziggy Ansah and Tavis Frederick. I really want that 13th pick from Tampa for Revis.

02-23-2013, 06:02 PM	#28
JetOrange All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,718	Ansah and Bernard

02-24-2013, 07:22 PM	#34
FreshBaked 24 7 wait...wha? 0_o All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,697	No to Mingo LSU Dlinemen don't pan out

02-24-2013, 07:36 PM	#36
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,302	@jetswhispers: Demontre Moore a big question mark #nyj http://t.co/0RV4lRa7d4

02-24-2013, 07:52 PM	#38
Play2Win Act as if... Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,508	Id take Moore. same thing happened to Suggs cuz he wasn't fast in his 40 time. Look at the tape!