So when will the Jets be back in the playoffs? - Jets Insider.com Forums

BrickHouse · 02-25-2013, 12:28 PM

I think we Jet fans have suffered mightily over the last couple of years. It isn't so much the record we have posted it's the negative press we keep and the players who leave and keep the Jets in their mouths to move their career aspirations along (LT, DW). That said, our roster and performance over the last couple of years should have taught us a very good lesson -> without a franchise QB you will never consistently win in this league. I hate the Pats, but they have become a model franchise because of Brady. I suspect, they too will suffer a long drought of success once he finally retires. But enough about our rivals. Without a franchise QB in the short term future of FA and the Draft what could we expect from our beloved Jets? Is it fair no matter what pick ups Idzik is to make this offseason via FA, Draft and Trades the Jets will be no better than they were two years ago at 8-8 and that's assuming we find solutions at a number of positions on our roster. Clearly 8-8 isn't good enough for most playoff years, so what could the Jets do?

Improving this year roster should be pretty easy for Idzik since the number of our own FA that we would want to bring back as starters is pretty small. Only Landry make sense from a talent perspective, and his asking price may be too much. Some will say Keller should be brought back, but over the years I have seen his inability to block as a liability for our offense. How many blocking OL do we need to bring in on a swing pass? Because the roster is ripe for a turnover one has to think we could do a decent job of improving it. But improving the roster means nothing without a franchise QB. Without the emotional attachment that I have for Darrell Revis, he has to be the one piece of the pie that I use to get said Franchise QB. Think of signing him to a 5-6 year 90m+ contract that a Franchise QB should have. In today's NFL landscape you can't have two players of that magnitude on your roster at the same time. Look at teams like Houston with Mario Williams and the Patriots with Welker as poster children for teams who have Franchise QB's that can't afford another tier 1 player. Even if your able to do so the rest of your roster will suffer. So without creating a offseason thread about who, what and why; I will simply say I would trade DR for a #1 pick to almost any team outside the AFC because that means I will have two #1's and a #2 if need be to trade for a Franchise QB in next years draft. Plus I will have some 40+ million in cap space and possibly more depending on what we do with players like Holmes and Harris. Kiper listed the 2014 QB class as a better overall class than last years heralded class. I see 4 players as potential 1st round players and two of which whom I would consider top 5 talent. McCarron, Thomas and Murray should all be top 10 picks. While Revis brings a certainty with knowing he allows your defense to shut out one WR or one side of the field he also doesn't show the leadership I expected from a player demanding 90+m for a contract. It will be tough to replace a HOF player like him, but for the prospect of finally having a franchise QB that we can draft, I would trade almost every player on this squad and start over...

Isn't that where we are at now anyway?

John_0515 · 02-25-2013, 12:34 PM

Why sign (or extend) Revis to a long term contract if we're rebuilding now, and we'll be potentially playing for something in years 4, 5, 6 of his contract IF the Jets do manage to improve by then, with the cap space left, fewer QB opportunities, etc.?

Jets are rebuilding now. If they're in the playoff hunt this year, it's a pleasant surprise.

Joe W. Namath · 02-25-2013, 12:36 PM

If we do the right things? 2015 at the earliest.

Nike · 02-25-2013, 12:41 PM

i firmly believe a change at qb will get this team in the playoffs. sanchez lost at least 4 games himself last year with miscues.

palmetto defender · 02-25-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

i firmly believe a change at qb will get this team in the playoffs. sanchez lost at least 4 games himself last year with miscues.

Agree. But where will they get this QB? There is nobody of real quality in FA. And this draft stinks. I saw excitement on JI about Geno Smith. Sorry, he's a bum as a player.

BrickHouse · 02-25-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Why sign (or extend) Revis to a long term contract if we're rebuilding now, and we'll be potentially playing for something in years 4, 5, 6 of his contract IF the Jets do manage to improve by then, with the cap space left, fewer QB opportunities, etc.?

Jets are rebuilding now. If they're in the playoff hunt this year, it's a pleasant surprise.

John, re-read, I'm suggesting we trade him because of that.

John_0515 · 02-25-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BrickHouse

John, re-read, I'm suggesting we trade him because of that.

I agree, it's hard to finish a thought on an iPhone. LOL.

johnnysd · 02-25-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

If we do the right things? 2015 at the earliest.

I think we can easily be a playoff team in 2013 if we "do the right things", especially if we find a QB. That is the key. Could be a 5 game difference in record

John_0515 · 02-25-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnysd

I think we can easily be a playoff team in 2013 if we "do the right things", especially if we find a QB. That is the key. Could be a 5 game difference in record

Sanchez plays as he did in 2010 last season, and we win at least 3 more games. 6-10 becomes 9-7 just like that.

Unfortunately......

chiefst2000 · 02-25-2013, 01:19 PM

All this talk of Revis costing what a Franchise QB costs is irrelevant. We don't have a franchise QB and none are available for any price. Right now the best shot at the playoffs in 2013 is probably with Flynn at the helm. Of all the possibilities he has the most short term upside.

DDNYjets · 02-25-2013, 01:24 PM

There is a chance we could make the playoffs this year if we get average QB play (

). Going from league-worst to average will make a huge difference.

Sourceworx · 02-25-2013, 01:32 PM

The fact that we won six games with as bad of an offense as the one we had, with the kind of God-awful QB play that we had, is a miracle. With a halfway competent QB, a decent RB, and Rex's defense, this team can win 9 or 10 (maybe even 11) games.

kennyo7 · 02-25-2013, 02:05 PM

Next Year.
Idzik does a tremendous job with the draft. Sanchez becomes an average QB, the O-line improves, Morningweig does a hell of a job as OC and our defense takes a step forward even without Revis. We finish 9-7 and sneak in as a wild-card.

jetsfan1983 · 02-25-2013, 02:18 PM

All comes down to the QB position...

Rex's defense always gives us a shot, we just need something reasonable from that position.

SlickBri481 · 02-25-2013, 02:19 PM

2014 at the earliest. The AFC is weak so we'll likely hover on the fringe of playoff contention again, but not as a serious team that people really thinks belongs in the playoffs (similar to this past season). Really tough to answer this question without knowing who plays QB next year though.

BrickHouse · 02-25-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefst2000

All this talk of Revis costing what a Franchise QB costs is irrelevant. We don't have a franchise QB and none are available for any price. Right now the best shot at the playoffs in 2013 is probably with Flynn at the helm. Of all the possibilities he has the most short term upside.

I'm not sold on Flynn, he didn't beat out a 3rd round pick so that makes me leery. Also, you can see that GB team was loaded when he played those 4 games and I'm not sure he will be able to duplicate that short term. That said, if his contract was negotiated to a potential starter role, then I would be ok in trading for him, but still trading Revis for draft picks in 2014. Because if Flynn isn't that dude, you need to draft one next year or potentially be out of the running for a couple of more years.

Rexipus Rex · 02-25-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jetsfan1983

All comes down to the QB position...

Rex's defense always gives us a shot, we just need something reasonable from that position.

This.

patman · 02-25-2013, 03:08 PM

Without catching lightning in a bottle (Like drafting Brady in the 6th, Signing Brees as a FA etc) 2015, With a little luck 2014 is certainly doable.

jeT.MAC · 02-25-2013, 03:23 PM

3-4 yrs. The jets gutted half the problem when they fired Tanny/Pettine/Sparano.. They should have let Ryan and Sanchez go to finish the whole deal.. Startover from scratch the right way and start winning now and next yr.. But the jets r doing it the wrong way jet fans... We will have to wait 4 a new coach and QB b4 jets compete again.. B patient i guess... This sux!!! ALL THIS MIXING & MATCHING

Jets need a new ............ to win the SB

Answer

Coach
OC
DC
QB

Apache 51 · 02-25-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

If we do the right things? 2015 at the earliest.

+1

02-25-2013, 01:24 PM	#11
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,306	There is a chance we could make the playoffs this year if we get average QB play (). Going from league-worst to average will make a huge difference.

02-25-2013, 12:28 PM	#1
BrickHouse 3 Home teams and the F@ Jets Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,956	So when will the Jets be back in the playoffs? I think we Jet fans have suffered mightily over the last couple of years. It isn't so much the record we have posted it's the negative press we keep and the players who leave and keep the Jets in their mouths to move their career aspirations along (LT, DW). That said, our roster and performance over the last couple of years should have taught us a very good lesson -> without a franchise QB you will never consistently win in this league. I hate the Pats, but they have become a model franchise because of Brady. I suspect, they too will suffer a long drought of success once he finally retires. But enough about our rivals. Without a franchise QB in the short term future of FA and the Draft what could we expect from our beloved Jets? Is it fair no matter what pick ups Idzik is to make this offseason via FA, Draft and Trades the Jets will be no better than they were two years ago at 8-8 and that's assuming we find solutions at a number of positions on our roster. Clearly 8-8 isn't good enough for most playoff years, so what could the Jets do? Improving this year roster should be pretty easy for Idzik since the number of our own FA that we would want to bring back as starters is pretty small. Only Landry make sense from a talent perspective, and his asking price may be too much. Some will say Keller should be brought back, but over the years I have seen his inability to block as a liability for our offense. How many blocking OL do we need to bring in on a swing pass? Because the roster is ripe for a turnover one has to think we could do a decent job of improving it. But improving the roster means nothing without a franchise QB. Without the emotional attachment that I have for Darrell Revis, he has to be the one piece of the pie that I use to get said Franchise QB. Think of signing him to a 5-6 year 90m+ contract that a Franchise QB should have. In today's NFL landscape you can't have two players of that magnitude on your roster at the same time. Look at teams like Houston with Mario Williams and the Patriots with Welker as poster children for teams who have Franchise QB's that can't afford another tier 1 player. Even if your able to do so the rest of your roster will suffer. So without creating a offseason thread about who, what and why; I will simply say I would trade DR for a #1 pick to almost any team outside the AFC because that means I will have two #1's and a #2 if need be to trade for a Franchise QB in next years draft. Plus I will have some 40+ million in cap space and possibly more depending on what we do with players like Holmes and Harris. Kiper listed the 2014 QB class as a better overall class than last years heralded class. I see 4 players as potential 1st round players and two of which whom I would consider top 5 talent. McCarron, Thomas and Murray should all be top 10 picks. While Revis brings a certainty with knowing he allows your defense to shut out one WR or one side of the field he also doesn't show the leadership I expected from a player demanding 90+m for a contract. It will be tough to replace a HOF player like him, but for the prospect of finally having a franchise QB that we can draft, I would trade almost every player on this squad and start over... Isn't that where we are at now anyway?

02-25-2013, 12:34 PM	#2
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,132	Why sign (or extend) Revis to a long term contract if we're rebuilding now, and we'll be potentially playing for something in years 4, 5, 6 of his contract IF the Jets do manage to improve by then, with the cap space left, fewer QB opportunities, etc.? Jets are rebuilding now. If they're in the playoff hunt this year, it's a pleasant surprise.

02-25-2013, 12:36 PM	#3
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,829	If we do the right things? 2015 at the earliest.

02-25-2013, 12:41 PM	#4
Nike Fix it or sell it Woody! Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,386	i firmly believe a change at qb will get this team in the playoffs. sanchez lost at least 4 games himself last year with miscues.

02-25-2013, 01:19 PM	#10
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,838	All this talk of Revis costing what a Franchise QB costs is irrelevant. We don't have a franchise QB and none are available for any price. Right now the best shot at the playoffs in 2013 is probably with Flynn at the helm. Of all the possibilities he has the most short term upside.

02-25-2013, 01:32 PM	#12
Sourceworx Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 13,431	The fact that we won six games with as bad of an offense as the one we had, with the kind of God-awful QB play that we had, is a miracle. With a halfway competent QB, a decent RB, and Rex's defense, this team can win 9 or 10 (maybe even 11) games.

02-25-2013, 02:05 PM	#13
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,404	Next Year. Idzik does a tremendous job with the draft. Sanchez becomes an average QB, the O-line improves, Morningweig does a hell of a job as OC and our defense takes a step forward even without Revis. We finish 9-7 and sneak in as a wild-card.

02-25-2013, 02:18 PM	#14
jetsfan1983 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,835	All comes down to the QB position... Rex's defense always gives us a shot, we just need something reasonable from that position.

02-25-2013, 02:19 PM	#15
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	2014 at the earliest. The AFC is weak so we'll likely hover on the fringe of playoff contention again, but not as a serious team that people really thinks belongs in the playoffs (similar to this past season). Really tough to answer this question without knowing who plays QB next year though.

02-25-2013, 03:08 PM	#18
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,162	Without catching lightning in a bottle (Like drafting Brady in the 6th, Signing Brees as a FA etc) 2015, With a little luck 2014 is certainly doable.

02-25-2013, 03:23 PM	#19
jeT.MAC All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,518	3-4 yrs. The jets gutted half the problem when they fired Tanny/Pettine/Sparano.. They should have let Ryan and Sanchez go to finish the whole deal.. Startover from scratch the right way and start winning now and next yr.. But the jets r doing it the wrong way jet fans... We will have to wait 4 a new coach and QB b4 jets compete again.. B patient i guess... This sux!!! ALL THIS MIXING & MATCHING Jets need a new ............ to win the SB Answer Coach OC DC QB