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BamaJets · 03-03-2013, 12:15 PM

Keller is top 12 in YPC but usually a pretty bleh YAC. His open field running is similar to one S. Greene. A better QB might be able to help Keller improve a bit, but he's just not that athletic. Plus a below average blocker. Our other options aren't any better but that's no reason to overpay to keep Keller.

Savage69 · 03-03-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaJets

Keller is top 12 in YPC but usually a pretty bleh YAC. His open field running is similar to one S. Greene. A better QB might be able to help Keller improve a bit, but he's just not that athletic. Plus a below average blocker. Our other options aren't any better but that's no reason to overpay to keep Keller.

He looked good as a rookie with Favre passing..

Nike · 03-03-2013, 12:20 PM

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He looked good as a rookie with Favre passing..

yes he did.

24 · 03-03-2013, 12:20 PM

Of course he does. There is no market for him.

ubrnostrum · 03-03-2013, 12:26 PM

I wouldn't mind Keller being back but he must sign a cap friendly deal right now. If he won't play for pretty cheap, then let him go. He's better than Cumberland, but not by a massive margin. He's not an "elite" TE, but I don't think he needs to be. He can be a receiving threat when a decent QB is getting him the ball (which won't be this season).

Gangrene · 03-03-2013, 12:28 PM

Who would you rather instead of Keller ? An All-Pro ?

What starting tight ends on the Jets in the last fifteen years are you comparing him to ? Anthony Becht, Kyle Brady ... Johnny Mitchell ?

Granted he is limited as a blocker but compared to what we had before he can catch the ball and when healthy, gave our offense an other dimension.

If you can sign him for a reasonable contract, he's worth having back. If we can squeeze a reasonable contract under the cap, there is no reason why we can't draft another TE and add diversify our offense - our wide receivers are scaring nobody.

Agreed, if he is looking for top ten TE money ( one writer suggested that his numbers warranted a possible top ten deal) we need to look elsewhere.

He's been a good solder and not a contract complainer despite having been made wait. That loyalty on it's own is not enough reason to sign a guy but it's enough reason to have a conversation to ascertain if there is any middle ground.

The only reason I suspect that the Jets have not been more pro-active in signing him might be connected to any lingering health issues.

NY's stepchild · 03-03-2013, 12:52 PM

He never did learn how to pass block. He is a serviceable run blocker. He's short and, not particularly fast, but he's fluid, and runs good roots. He is smart, and has good hands, but tends to disappear for stretches. I don't know where that puts him, but on this team we needed someone to be able to pass block besides the Oline. Other teams realized that we had no one, and they constantly blitzed us. The WCO may be better for him, but we don't know that yet. I'd take him back for 2.5 mil per year, but I wouldn't give him a big bonus.

Brooklyn Jet · 03-03-2013, 12:59 PM

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keller.... if he can stay healthy.

Until this year, he was never hurt.

To you other point, he was targeted 100+ times a season his last two full seasons ('10 and '11)

Ray Ray19 · 03-03-2013, 01:15 PM

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We are turning the page on alot of guys that have been around here a long time. Keller is one of those guys. Out w the old, in w the new. He is not in the plans.

Are you ever right, or even try to make sense?

Keller isn't old, this would be his first FA contract, he just finished his rookie contract

intelligentjetsfan · 03-03-2013, 01:36 PM

Sanchez's wild and ridiculous throws have not helped nor being attached to coaches that are clueless when it comes to offense but the bottom line is he has not developed and must take some of the blame.

If he wants premium TE money it's time to bid him farewell.

k.Rhodes25 · 03-03-2013, 02:19 PM

They should bring him back, letting him go creates another hole. Of course Mornhinweg wants him back, he fits in his offense really well. Unlike with Sparano, where Keller didn't really fit.

Green Bandit · 03-03-2013, 02:58 PM

Remember his potential with Favre throwing him the ball his rookie year? And how Favre raved about him?

Yeah that's what happens to potential when you have a QB/OC that doesn't understand how to use his maximum ability. It plummets.

He's good in the run block game and serviceable/alright at the pass block game, but really he shouldn't be pass blocking unless he's chipping before going on a route.

bigdanNJ · 03-03-2013, 05:01 PM

no lose if we loose hands of stone keller

southparkcpa · 03-03-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JonEJet

Give Keller a decent QB, and he'll have a breakout year

He actually is a pretty solid TE even for Mark as hard as that is to fathom.

I don't understand all the Keller hate. Gronk he aint...but he is solid.

NamathToCaster · 03-03-2013, 05:43 PM

Keller had his chances. He showed flashes but his production over the last two years has declined. He is not a beast. He lacks the big time size that most NFL TE's have now. I'm sure he would just love to stay in NY and chase women with Sanchez till 3 o'clock in the morning, but those days are over. Your time is up dude and your boy Sanchez is not far behind you.

Ray Ray19 · 03-03-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NamathToCaster

Keller had his chances. He showed flashes but his production over the last two years has declined. He is not a beast. He lacks the big time size that most NFL TE's have now. I'm sure he would just love to stay in NY and chase women with Sanchez till 3 o'clock in the morning, but those days are over. Your time is up dude and your boy Sanchez is not far behind you.

He had his best year two years ago, and last year he was injured for most of the year.

Do people just make **** up around here these days?

Beerfish · 03-03-2013, 06:08 PM

If he wants to sign on the cheap he can stay otherwise, sayonara.

JonEJet · 03-03-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by southparkcpa

He actually is a pretty solid TE even for Mark as hard as that is to fathom.

I don't understand all the Keller hate. Gronk he aint...but he is solid.

It amazes me how Jets fans HATE Jets players. Know anyone like that?

NY's stepchild · 03-03-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

keller should have been used alot differently here. 2 te sets or with him in the slot. he has the talent to be that hybrid te/wr if he can stay healthy.

I don't think being a hybrid TE/WR is really a desirable quality. I'd much rather have a TE, or a WR. He's not a TE with the speed of a WR, and he's not a WR with the size of a TE. He's in between which is why he can be good, but he can never be great at anything.

NY's stepchild · 03-03-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JonEJet

It amazes me how Jets fans HATE Jets players. Know anyone like that?

I'm right with you on the hating of our own players, coaches and even the team in general which is like the past time around here, but I just don't see it with Keller. In fact he may be the one player(other than Mangold) I've never seen anyone hate on, except maybe Giant Dan, but he hates everyone that's not on his beloved Giants. Not wanting to pay Keller top 10 TE money does not constitute hatred.

03-03-2013, 12:15 PM	#21
BamaJets Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,777	Keller is top 12 in YPC but usually a pretty bleh YAC. His open field running is similar to one S. Greene. A better QB might be able to help Keller improve a bit, but he's just not that athletic. Plus a below average blocker. Our other options aren't any better but that's no reason to overpay to keep Keller.

03-03-2013, 12:20 PM	#24
24 All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,884	Of course he does. There is no market for him.

03-03-2013, 12:26 PM	#25
ubrnostrum not economically viable. Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,601	I wouldn't mind Keller being back but he must sign a cap friendly deal right now. If he won't play for pretty cheap, then let him go. He's better than Cumberland, but not by a massive margin. He's not an "elite" TE, but I don't think he needs to be. He can be a receiving threat when a decent QB is getting him the ball (which won't be this season).

03-03-2013, 12:28 PM	#26
Gangrene Glad Sparano is gone, on the fence about Mornhinweg.. Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Vinegar Hill, Brooklyn ... Posts: 2,037	Who would you rather instead of Keller ? An All-Pro ? What starting tight ends on the Jets in the last fifteen years are you comparing him to ? Anthony Becht, Kyle Brady ... Johnny Mitchell ? Granted he is limited as a blocker but compared to what we had before he can catch the ball and when healthy, gave our offense an other dimension. If you can sign him for a reasonable contract, he's worth having back. If we can squeeze a reasonable contract under the cap, there is no reason why we can't draft another TE and add diversify our offense - our wide receivers are scaring nobody. Agreed, if he is looking for top ten TE money ( one writer suggested that his numbers warranted a possible top ten deal) we need to look elsewhere. He's been a good solder and not a contract complainer despite having been made wait. That loyalty on it's own is not enough reason to sign a guy but it's enough reason to have a conversation to ascertain if there is any middle ground. The only reason I suspect that the Jets have not been more pro-active in signing him might be connected to any lingering health issues.

03-03-2013, 12:52 PM	#27
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,707	He never did learn how to pass block. He is a serviceable run blocker. He's short and, not particularly fast, but he's fluid, and runs good roots. He is smart, and has good hands, but tends to disappear for stretches. I don't know where that puts him, but on this team we needed someone to be able to pass block besides the Oline. Other teams realized that we had no one, and they constantly blitzed us. The WCO may be better for him, but we don't know that yet. I'd take him back for 2.5 mil per year, but I wouldn't give him a big bonus.

03-03-2013, 01:36 PM	#30
intelligentjetsfan All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,307	Sanchez's wild and ridiculous throws have not helped nor being attached to coaches that are clueless when it comes to offense but the bottom line is he has not developed and must take some of the blame. If he wants premium TE money it's time to bid him farewell.

03-03-2013, 02:19 PM	#31
k.Rhodes25 All League Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873	They should bring him back, letting him go creates another hole. Of course Mornhinweg wants him back, he fits in his offense really well. Unlike with Sparano, where Keller didn't really fit.

03-03-2013, 02:58 PM	#32
Green Bandit is liking the moves Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 429	Remember his potential with Favre throwing him the ball his rookie year? And how Favre raved about him? Yeah that's what happens to potential when you have a QB/OC that doesn't understand how to use his maximum ability. It plummets. He's good in the run block game and serviceable/alright at the pass block game, but really he shouldn't be pass blocking unless he's chipping before going on a route.

03-03-2013, 05:01 PM	#33
bigdanNJ Veteran Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,158	no lose if we loose hands of stone keller

03-03-2013, 05:43 PM	#35
NamathToCaster Waterboy Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 74	Keller had his chances. He showed flashes but his production over the last two years has declined. He is not a beast. He lacks the big time size that most NFL TE's have now. I'm sure he would just love to stay in NY and chase women with Sanchez till 3 o'clock in the morning, but those days are over. Your time is up dude and your boy Sanchez is not far behind you.

03-03-2013, 06:08 PM	#37
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,064	If he wants to sign on the cheap he can stay otherwise, sayonara.