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patman · 03-06-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Agreed. Even if Patman doesn't see it. Amazing how arrogant New England Patriots fans are because their GM 13 years ago lucked into the greatest qb of all-time in the 6th round that somehow makes them all better people than everyone else.

Please, I don't believe just because the team I follow has had success the last 20 years, makes me any smarter or more of a fan than anyone here. They sucked for pretty much for 15 of the previous 20 years and I wasn't any less in touch because of it. I treat everybody here with respect. My opinions are my opinions and that is all they are. If I disagree, i give my reasons. You think my reasons are full of ****, fine, explain why?

detjetsfan · 03-06-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by patman

Please, I don't believe just because the team I follow has had success the last 20 years, makes me any smarter or more of a fan than anyone here. They sucked for pretty much for 15 of the previous 20 years and I wasn't any less in touch because of it. I treat everybody here with respect. My opinions are my opinions and that is all they are. If I disagree, i give my reasons. You think my reasons are full of ****, fine, explain why?

I don't care about your opinions. I just will never understand how New England Patriots fans can waste their time on a site of a team they are not even a fan of.

patman · 03-06-2013, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

I don't care about your opinions. I just will never understand how New England Patriots fans can waste their time on a site of a team they are not even a fan of.

then put me on ignore, you won't have to think about refuting them

southside · 03-06-2013, 11:35 PM

Even Pats fans can't stand Pats fans... that's why they're here.

But for real, some of you guys take this sh!t way too seriously. It's just a game.

TheMo · 03-07-2013, 12:43 AM

I'd pick him up. Make the room for a player like this, really really good RT esp in a ZBS scheme (with the Texans he was a top 5 RT).

SCITSCAT · 03-07-2013, 01:31 AM

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My thought is the Jets should go after him. He's a solid RT.

I agree, he was excellent in college at UM, saw him play every game back then. He would add a lot to our OL.

SCITSCAT · 03-07-2013, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by southside

Even Pats fans can't stand Pats fans... that's why they're here.

SCITSCAT · 03-07-2013, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by parafly

How he was ranked last season? Is he strictly a RT or is he versatile enough to play OG as well?

Believe he played across the line for injuries and matchups, but I remember this kid and I like him for some reason. I don't usually remember offensive lineman but he minimized tough defenders from FSU, among others, and really was impressed with the toughness.

jetster · 03-07-2013, 07:18 AM

If the Jets want to solidify their Oline for the next 4 year rebuild, they would target 2 positions in FA this year.
RT & LB

That way they take Dion Jordan at the #1
Imagine they do trade Revis for a 1st & 2nd.
They could conceivably get Jordan, Vaccaro, Cooper, Giovanni, & go all skill position offense for the rest of the draft!

Would anyone like that?
Cople- Ellis- Wilkerson
Jordan- Harris- Davis- FA
Cro- Vaccaro- *Landry- Wilson

Dbrick- Cooper - Mangold- Howard- Winston

Powell- McKnight- Bernard

* that's a damn good start in the 1st year of rebuild
* Landry signs after not getting the ridiculous amount he was looking for.
* if Idzik gets lucky in rounds 3-7 it could be one of the best drafts ever for our Jets.

124 · 03-07-2013, 07:42 AM

Winston's a top tier RT.

We should have signed him last year, and we can't afford him this year, especially if we're going to give a second round tender to Austin Howard.

He and Houston re-uniting would make a ton of sense.

doggin94it · 03-07-2013, 08:12 AM

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I don't get this scenario at all. Albert has never played on the Right side either at tackle or guard, why pay a guy 11 mill to play out of position. Not every guy can do it, I know they put Light on the Right side and he was just not
comfortable putting his left arm down.

I did not hear chief fans being disappointed in his play, He is a ZBS Tackle and maybe Reid and Andy Heck want to go with a man blocking scheme. I will be surprised if he did play well last year that some team just picks up his deal 3 years at 16 mill, no SB just cut him if he don't work out.

It's a silly scenario. Much more likely they flip that (play Joeckel, assuming they take him, on the right side his rookie year) and either move forward with bookend tackles if they can come to terms with Albert on a long term deal, or let him walk next season and shift Joeckel to left tackle for 2014, after getting him some experience on the right side

doggin94it · 03-07-2013, 08:16 AM

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Because Albert was a high pick that happened to be a G. That is about the only reason I see he played LT. He wasn't very good at it. Likely yeah he ends up as the RT this year now but I would have just kept Winston at 5 mil and let Albert walk. It is not like there would have been a huge market for a bust G playing LT.

Albert was always intended to be a tackle; the Chiefs said as much when they signed him to his rookie deal and he started 15 games at tackle his rookie year.

Calling him "a bust G" just makes it clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about with respect to this player.

doggin94it · 03-07-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Cutting Winston is cap posturing. They will now draft Joeckel and move Albert to RT saving them money to use in FA.

I have no idea what "cap posturing" means, or why you think shifting Albert to RT will save them money. The cap number for first overall picks is roughly 5M per year, so cutting Winston and drafting a tackle at No. 1 leaves their positional spend pretty much exactly the same as it had been.

NY's stepchild · 03-07-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Cutting Winston is cap posturing. They will now draft Joeckel and move Albert to RT saving them money to use in FA.

Still think they should have kept Winston let Albert go, and then drafted Joeckel. If I was a Chiefs fan I'd be really pissed. 6 mil extra dollars so I could have two LTs? He's only like a year older, and now Albert is refusing to move to RT.

NY's stepchild · 03-07-2013, 08:23 AM

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I have no idea what "cap posturing" means, or why you think shifting Albert to RT will save them money. The cap number for first overall picks is roughly 5M per year, so cutting Winston and drafting a tackle at No. 1 leaves their positional spend pretty much exactly the same as it had been.

Well I'm pretty sure Joekel is going to be much better than Winston, but Albert is not, and that would have saved them 6 mil in cap space.

doggin94it · 03-07-2013, 08:28 AM

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Still think they should have kept Winston let Albert go, and then drafted Joeckel. If I was a Chiefs fan I'd be really pissed. 6 mil extra dollars so I could have two LTs? He's only like a year older, and now Albert is refusing to move to RT.

It's highly unlikely that the plan was to move Albert to RT. There's no reason to toss a rookie OT in at LT when they can ease him in at RT.

BTW, I'm sure Albert will play RT very happily if the Chiefs sign him to a long term deal at a LT salary level. Only reason he'd be upset playing RT is how it would impact his negotiating position next offseason. Money solves many problems.

The reality is, if the Chiefs draft Joeckel, they are planning to move on from Albert after this year.

freestater · 03-07-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by southside

Even Pats fans can't stand Pats fans... that's why they're here.

But for real, some of you guys take this sh!t way too seriously. It's just a game.

They're here because they know that if they want a spot on the interwebs to go rile up Jets fans, here is the place. No other Jets fansite allows this kind of BS. Sooth wants the hits, so we're stuck with the trolls.

Best we can do is make the irritable c*nts' stay here as unpleasant as possible.

freestater · 03-07-2013, 09:02 AM

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I'm a worthless pile of excrement here to rile up the natives.

fixed for accuracy.

Kentucky Jet · 03-07-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Jets could move Howard inside to Guard and start Winston at RT. Not a bad idea at all if Idzik can do enough cap manuevering to make it possible.

Isn't Howard way too tall to play OG? He'd block SANCHEZ's view and another excuse will be born!

Xmarco · 03-07-2013, 11:27 AM

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Trade downs usually don't happen in today's NFL unless you have a QB like RG3. The days of the New Orleans Saints trading their entire draft for a running back are over.

You mean me begging for St.Louis to give us a 1 this year and next for Revis isn't happening

03-07-2013, 07:18 AM	#29
jetster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,924	If the Jets want to solidify their Oline for the next 4 year rebuild, they would target 2 positions in FA this year. RT & LB That way they take Dion Jordan at the #1 Imagine they do trade Revis for a 1st & 2nd. They could conceivably get Jordan, Vaccaro, Cooper, Giovanni, & go all skill position offense for the rest of the draft! Would anyone like that? Cople- Ellis- Wilkerson Jordan- Harris- Davis- FA Cro- Vaccaro- Landry- Wilson Dbrick- Cooper - Mangold- Howard- Winston Powell- McKnight- Bernard that's a damn good start in the 1st year of rebuild * Landry signs after not getting the ridiculous amount he was looking for. * if Idzik gets lucky in rounds 3-7 it could be one of the best drafts ever for our Jets. Last edited by jetster; 03-07-2013 at 07:22 AM.

03-06-2013, 11:35 PM	#24
southside Forever Awesome All Pro Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,892	Even Pats fans can't stand Pats fans... that's why they're here. But for real, some of you guys take this sh!t way too seriously. It's just a game.

03-07-2013, 12:43 AM	#25
TheMo All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,347	I'd pick him up. Make the room for a player like this, really really good RT esp in a ZBS scheme (with the Texans he was a top 5 RT).

03-07-2013, 07:42 AM	#30
124 There's NO reason to delay the process. Start Geno Smith. All Pro Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,970	Winston's a top tier RT. We should have signed him last year, and we can't afford him this year, especially if we're going to give a second round tender to Austin Howard. He and Houston re-uniting would make a ton of sense.