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PatsFanTX · 03-14-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeakejet

You haven't heard the cries in New England, have you? We have a chowd sports talk guy (Nick Cattles) here (came down last august) and he tells us what goes on up there. I don't think he's too happy about it.

I didn't think I would like him, him being a chowd and all, but he's pretty fair minded. Much better than his st. louis homer predecessor.

I'm sure there are many Pats fans who are pissed.

I've been saying for months now that the Pats should not give Welker a long-term contract and if he leaves via FA, it will not be a big deal.

Rah_Rah_19 · 03-14-2013, 04:44 PM

What a stupid article. Leaving your QB short handed is what the Jets did to Mark Sanchez (yes he still is bad, but the Jets skill position players leave a LOT to be desired). Belichick has given Brady Branch, Givens, Patten, Graham, Welker, Moss, Hernandez, Gronk, Lloyd, Faulk, Woodhead and a bunch of other solid role players as receivers. Christ even if Amendola gives them nothing (which is far from a given) he still has Lloyd, Hernandez and Gronk. Those guys would get meaningul time on most teams. Brady is a great QB, but lets get real here.

ASG0531 · 03-14-2013, 04:51 PM

This is Belichick's master plan to give Brady's targets away to Peyton and let him load up and leave Brady with nothing, so when Brady puts up a better offense we can prove who is the best.

Eckesg1 · 03-14-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

So if the Pats don't win the Super Bowl every single year, BB is not a smart HC?

No team in the history of the NFL has won more regular season and playoff games than the Pats have over the last 12 year period.

Not to mention 3 Super Bowl titles as well.

You are the Yankees of the NFL. Win a SB or failed season.

18-1 season-- Cited as a failure

Plus you know my opinion on the Pats underachieving.

chesapeakejet · 03-14-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

I'm sure there are many Pats fans who are pissed.

I've been saying for months now that the Pats should not give Welker a long-term contract and if he leaves via FA, it will not be a big deal.

People keep talking about Amendola but he's a health risk. But no one mentions Julian Edeleman? I think he's very underrated, no?

child please · 03-14-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rmeyer52

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BOSTON (CBS) – It is finally time to put away the kid gloves when discussing the off-field decisions of Bill Belichick.

His effort to appear smarter than his peers has once again left the best player he will ever coach short-handed.

Need I remind anyone who “The Hooded One” was when he had the likes of Drew Bledsoe and Bernie Kosar as his quarterback? He was a 41-57 coach, already fired once and on his way to being fired again. So one would think that he would treat the man who has helped make him a Hall of Famer with a little bit more respect.

Belichick arrived in New England by way of a tumultuous ending in East Rutherford with the Jets, but today sits atop the coaching landscape along side the likes of Shula, Lombardi and his idol Paul Brown thanks to the 199th overall pick in the 2000 draft.

Think of all Tom Brady has done for Bill Belichick. He’s done everything that has been asked of him for the past 15 years; pay cut after pay cut, restructure after restructure. It’s been team first, ego second.

How is he rewarded?

He is rewarded by a disingenuous head coach who creates a false need for cap space by “outsmarting” his contemporaries and occupying his roster with 10 dimes instead of a dollar bill. The fact is that the team gets into pissing matches with great players for no reason other than to assert its own power over the superstars.

There is no reason that Richard Seymour should have been traded for a future first-round pick to Oakland. Deion Branch should have been a career Patriot, and Mike Vrabel should have never been packaged as part of the Matt Cassel trade to Kansas City.

The last time Brady re-did his deal to benefit the team was in the offseason of 2005, when Bill surrounded him with one flotsam after another jetsam at wide receiver. Somehow, Brady was able to have the greatest season by the best QB I have ever seen, leading a collection of Reche Calldwells and Jabar Gaffneys to a three-score lead in the AFC Championship Game in Indianapolis. If Branch had never been shipped to Seattle earlier that year, the Patriots would have, without a doubt, won their fourth Super Bowl.

Brady’s biggest hurdle during his time in New England has been his ability to work new receivers into the diverse offensive scheme. Tom came into the league with the greatest possession receiver of all time in Troy Brown, was then was able to work with Branch, and the torch was passed to Wes Welker in 2007.

So, one would assume that the brilliant head coach would surround Brady with as many talented players who have the understanding of said offense in order to capitalize on the waning days of Brady’s career.

Nope.

Over just $2 million — after Brady restructured and extended his contract — “The Man Who Invented Football” decided to allow Tom’s top target to go to Denver and play for the one quarterback Brady will always be judged against. Instead of bringing back Welker, the man who thrived in this system to catch the most passes in the NFL over the last six years, Belichick brought in the injury-prone Danny Amendola.

“The Hooded One” has to know he only has two more peak years of the greatest QB of his generation, so logic would dictate that you would do whatever you can to surround Brady with the best collection of receivers in order to claim another Lombardi Trophy and erase the stain of Spygate.

But that is not the case. Bill seemingly is keener on winning at the negotiating table in March than on the first Sunday in February.

Chris Curtis is the producer of 98.5 The Sports Hub’s The Adam Jones Show. Follow him on Twitter @_ChrisCurtis.

I thought only jealous jet fans spoke of "Spygate"

ASG0531 · 03-14-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

You are the Yankees of the NFL. Win a SB or failed season.

18-1 season-- Cited as a failure

Plus you know my opinion on the Pats underachieving.

If the Pats were the Yankees, they wouldn't have a salary cap, they would be a very different team. And it wouldn't be fair. Like 5 teams would have a shot any year.

A real insult would be the Braves of the NFL.

PatsFanTX · 03-14-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeakejet

People keep talking about Amendola but he's a health risk. But no one mentions Julian Edeleman? I think he's very underrated, no?

Edelman is not in Welker or Amendola's league.

He always seems to be nicked up and he scares the hell out of me the way he carries the football. He's a turnover waiting to happen.

ASG0531 · 03-14-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Edelman is not in Welker or Amendola's league.

He always seems to be nicked up and he scares the hell out of me the way he carries the football. He's a turnover waiting to happen.

Edelman is not even under contract.

Beerfish · 03-14-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Edelman is not in Welker or Amendola's league.

He always seems to be nicked up and he scares the hell out of me the way he carries the football. He's a turnover waiting to happen.

Edelman also seems half crazy.

Eckesg1 · 03-14-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ASG0531

If the Pats were the Yankees, they wouldn't have a salary cap, they would be a very different team. And it wouldn't be fair. Like 5 teams would have a shot any year.

A real insult would be the Braves of the NFL.

No, the San Diego Chargers are the Braves of the NFL

Rah_Rah_19 · 03-14-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

No, the San Diego Chargers are the Braves of the NFL

No that would be the Colts.

doggin94it · 03-14-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

So if the Pats don't win the Super Bowl every single year, BB is not a smart HC?

No team in the history of the NFL has won more regular season and playoff games than the Pats have over the last 12 year period.

Not to mention 3 Super Bowl titles as well.

Congrats.

Several teams, however, have won more Super Bowls than the Patriots over the past decade. But hey, I hear the "regular season championship" trophy is shiny

AFCEastFan · 03-14-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

No, the San Diego Chargers are the Braves of the NFL

I'm not much of a NHL fan, but it seems to me that the professional sports team most similar to the Patriots is the New Jersey Devils.

John_0515 · 03-14-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Exactly.

BB has done the same thing with Lawyer Malloy, Ty Law, Willie McGinst, Richard Seymour, Adam Vinetieri and the list goes on and on.

It's no big deal at all with Welker.

Belichick will figure out how to win with what he has.

It IS a big deal up to a point. It's just not something insurmountable for the Pats. They signed Amendola, and it doesn't mean that they'll be doing the same thing with him.

Welker was a big part of Brady's success. You can't just up and forget that. BUT, point is that BB is the best at adjusting.

Losing Welker should and does hurt. It doesn't mean the Pats will be a bad team.

chesapeakejet · 03-14-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Edelman is not in Welker or Amendola's league.

He always seems to be nicked up and he scares the hell out of me the way he carries the football. He's a turnover waiting to happen.

For some reason this made me lol.

ASG0531 · 03-14-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Belichick will figure out how to win with what he has.

It IS a big deal up to a point. It's just not something insurmountable for the Pats. They signed Amendola, and it doesn't mean that they'll be doing the same thing with him.

Welker was a big part of Brady's success. You can't just up and forget that. BUT, point is that BB is the best at adjusting.

Losing Welker should and does hurt. It doesn't mean the Pats will be a bad team.

People love to ***** and moan about the Pats. As much media love as the Jets get, the Pats are even more of a draw - they just don't usually do or say as much. But when the Pats do anything, it's a big deal. The Pats will win double-digit games as always and the real difference between that and a Super Bowl win will come from the minor FA pickups and draft pickups. Everyone remembers the Ocho and Haynesworth pickups and forgets the Anderson and Carter pickups that were great moves for a struggling defense, not to mention Brian Waters who was a rock on their OL for a year.

Eckesg1 · 03-14-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AFCEastFan

I'm not much of a NHL fan, but it seems to me that the professional sports team most similar to the Patriots is the New Jersey Devils.

With the Brodeur Brady comparison? That makes sense.

ASG0531 · 03-14-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Belichick will figure out how to win with what he has.

It IS a big deal up to a point. It's just not something insurmountable for the Pats. They signed Amendola, and it doesn't mean that they'll be doing the same thing with him.

Welker was a big part of Brady's success. You can't just up and forget that. BUT, point is that BB is the best at adjusting.

Losing Welker should and does hurt. It doesn't mean the Pats will be a bad team.

It does hurt, at least in the minds of fans. If it hurt in the mind of BB, he'd be in Foxboro. I don't believe Belichick is in the business of actively trying to make his team worse. They will draft, acquire, and assemble a championship-caliber offense. What they do on defense is far more important now.

Tai-Mai-Shu · 03-14-2013, 06:31 PM

Lol @ this writer. He acted as though R. Seymour did something when he left the Pats. How did Branch do with the Seahawks? How did Vrable and Cassel do with the Chief? How did Assante Samuel do in Philly? The list goes on and on. I like a coach who have some balls to make such tough decision. Rex talk tough but dont have the balls to make such decision.

03-14-2013, 04:44 PM	#22
Rah_Rah_19 The kid is back and better than ever. Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 50	What a stupid article. Leaving your QB short handed is what the Jets did to Mark Sanchez (yes he still is bad, but the Jets skill position players leave a LOT to be desired). Belichick has given Brady Branch, Givens, Patten, Graham, Welker, Moss, Hernandez, Gronk, Lloyd, Faulk, Woodhead and a bunch of other solid role players as receivers. Christ even if Amendola gives them nothing (which is far from a given) he still has Lloyd, Hernandez and Gronk. Those guys would get meaningul time on most teams. Brady is a great QB, but lets get real here.

03-14-2013, 04:51 PM	#23
ASG0531 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,723	This is Belichick's master plan to give Brady's targets away to Peyton and let him load up and leave Brady with nothing, so when Brady puts up a better offense we can prove who is the best.

03-14-2013, 06:31 PM	#40
Tai-Mai-Shu Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 123	Lol @ this writer. He acted as though R. Seymour did something when he left the Pats. How did Branch do with the Seahawks? How did Vrable and Cassel do with the Chief? How did Assante Samuel do in Philly? The list goes on and on. I like a coach who have some balls to make such tough decision. Rex talk tough but dont have the balls to make such decision.