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jetster · 03-16-2013, 07:37 AM

You only need to look north to see a new direction taken by someone I truly despise but have to admire for his foresight when it comes to building a team.

While I would love to draft a receiver like Patterson, wouldn't it be smarter to go with a TE like The kid from Stanford.
We already have Holmes, Hill, Kerley.
With these new rules big Athletic TEs are almost unstoppable.
Had Gronk not been injured the Pats probably win 2 more Superbowls.
Hernandez is a matchup nightmare.
Tony Gonzalez almost willed the Falcons the bowl.
Dennis Pita was a huge part of the Ravens playoff run.
Just a thought, but it just seems that since the new CBA taking a TE at 9 is not as crazy as it seems if they believe the guy is a stud.
What say ye?

jetster · 03-16-2013, 08:38 AM

Actually should have said, "Is a TE more important than a expensive recievers?"

If you notice, the Pats have a pay scale for WRs & they don't go over.
You look at teams like Zona & Detroit, they have the 2 best receivers in the league & they suck.

fidelioion · 03-16-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jetster

Actually should have said, "Is a TE more important than a expensive recievers?"

If you notice, the Pats have a pay scale for WRs & they don't go over.
You look at teams like Zona & Detroit, they have the 2 best receivers in the league & they suck.

The pats are good because they have an all-time great QB, the Cardinals and Detroit suck because they have terrible QB play. When the Cardinals were getting quality QB from Warner they went to the SB.

It's not some genius pay scale system the Pats have worked out.

scott dierking II · 03-16-2013, 08:54 AM

The role of TE's has become more important as defenses depend less upon LB's as they used to. With the league becoming more pass oriented, defenses are constantly utilizing more nickel and dime packages, leaving less LB's on the field and more space for TE's routes which generally are in the center of the field between the LB gaps.

NY's stepchild · 03-16-2013, 09:02 AM

Yes you cannot overpay for WRs or CBs anymore. With the salary cap you need to spend the money, and high draft picks on guys closer to the ball that make more of an impact. Sure if you can get a TE that can run block, pass block, catch over the middle, and deep you have an advantage. A WR doesn't have a chance to do that but the chances of finding a TE to do that are slim as well. Safe money is on pass rushers, and a QB first. Then hope you hit big on a project TE. Hayden Smith has a chance to do that. He also has a chance of never seeing the field again.

jetster · 03-16-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelioion

The pats are good because they have an all-time great QB, the Cardinals and Detroit suck because they have terrible QB play. When the Cardinals were getting quality QB from Warner they went to the SB.

It's not some genius pay scale system the Pats have worked out.

I understand that but Stafford is not terrible.
Belichick is such a student of the game, as much as I hate him how can you not see what he did that year in the draft taking Gronk & Hernandez, everyone thought he was crazy.
That's why Keller is no big loss, he's a glorified slower receiver.
Patrick Turner might have done as well.
I'm talking the 6'-4"- 6"-6" athletic basketball types. Look what that kid in New Orleans is doing.

Tinstar · 03-16-2013, 09:03 AM

The answer to your Question is no. If the best matchup option on your team is a TE, then that is where the Smart QB will throw the football and the smart OC will game plan. If it's a WR, RB, ect ect.

The key to winning football at any level is blocking and tackling. If you get blocked, there's a very good chance you wont be making the tackle.

Vinny Testaverde's Niece · 03-16-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jetster

You only need to look north to see a new direction taken by someone I truly despise but have to admire for his foresight when it comes to building a team.

While I would love to draft a receiver like Patterson, wouldn't it be smarter to go with a TE like The kid from Stanford.
We already have Holmes, Hill, Kerley.
With these new rules big Athletic TEs are almost unstoppable.
Had Gronk not been injured the Pats probably win 2 more Superbowls.
Hernandez is a matchup nightmare.
Tony Gonzalez almost willed the Falcons the bowl.
Dennis Pita was a huge part of the Ravens playoff run.
Just a thought, but it just seems that since the new CBA taking a TE at 9 is not as crazy as it seems if they believe the guy is a stud.
What say ye?

What new rules allow the TE to be unstoppable? Just because one team has found a way to scheme something why does that mean other teams should or are? Maybe Gronk being injured is a problem with the position. If he can't play what good is he? The Pats are so special that they would have won 2 SB's last year? Tony Gonzalez 'almost' willed the Falcons a bowl? Except he didn't. Boldin and the other WR's were much more important to Ravens' win.
When everyone is winning the SB with their te's maybe you have a point.

fidelioion · 03-16-2013, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jetster

I understand that but Stafford is not terrible.
Belichick is such a student of the game, as much as I hate him how can you not see what he did that year in the draft taking Gronk & Hernandez, everyone thought he was crazy.
That's why Keller is no big loss, he's a glorified slower receiver.
Patrick Turner might have done as well.
I'm talking the 6'-4"- 6"-6" athletic basketball types. Look what that kid in New Orleans is doing.

What do Gronk and Hernandez do if Sanchez is their QB?

I agree with you about TE's being very valuable and good ones that can block, run and catch are incredibly important. Just don't fall inline with Belly idolatry.

Apache 51 · 03-16-2013, 09:35 AM

No, but it is just as important to Marty.

SgtAshton · 03-16-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece

What new rules allow the TE to be unstoppable? Just because one team has found a way to scheme something why does that mean other teams should or are? Maybe Gronk being injured is a problem with the position. If he can't play what good is he? The Pats are so special that they would have won 2 SB's last year? Tony Gonzalez 'almost' willed the Falcons a bowl? Except he didn't. Boldin and the other WR's were much more important to Ravens' win.
When everyone is winning the SB with their te's maybe you have a point.

Good answer. Football is team game. Patriots didn't lose these last years because of a TE. They lost because in the biggest times of need their defense failed them.

56mehl56 · 03-16-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelioion

What do Gronk and Hernandez do if Sanchez is their QB?

I agree with you about TE's being very valuable and good ones that can block, run and catch are incredibly important. Just don't fall inline with Belly idolatry.

Don't just look at the obvious , peel back the onion a bit and ask what do Gronk and Hernandez do in Rex's G&P offense.

FTL Jet Fan · 03-16-2013, 10:17 AM

Taking a TE at nine wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be to upset if they did take him. I don't thing he gets pass Miami at 12.

jetster · 03-16-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece

What new rules allow the TE to be unstoppable? Just because one team has found a way to scheme something why does that mean other teams should or are? Maybe Gronk being injured is a problem with the position. If he can't play what good is he? The Pats are so special that they would have won 2 SB's last year? Tony Gonzalez 'almost' willed the Falcons a bowl? Except he didn't. Boldin and the other WR's were much more important to Ravens' win.
When everyone is winning the SB with their te's maybe you have a point.

Boldin plays the game like a TE.
He's not that fast, has a big body, boxes out, has strong hands, & is excellent
In the redzone.

Beerfish · 03-16-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FTL Jet Fan

Taking a TE at nine wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be to upset if they did take him. I don't thing he gets pass Miami at 12.

If we took a TE at 9 I would have to go to best buy the next day to buy a new tv.

Bocajetfan68 · 03-16-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

If we took a TE at 9 I would have to go to best buy the next day to buy a new tv.

Get one now just in case

you can always return it

Paradis · 03-16-2013, 11:39 AM

The Tight End position has become one of the, if not THE, most important variable in your offense. Its how teams adjust to a defenses weaknesses. TEs are the most valuable asset outside of a QB.

There'll be a day, when the Jimmy Grahams and Hernandez's become the most sought after weapons in the league.

Paradis · 03-16-2013, 11:45 AM

If J. Jones is gone at #9, we need to be thinking Eifert.

6'6, 250 all purpose TE. book it.

Alternatively, we can take G. Escobar in the 2nd. He's nearly as big, and has GREAT hands.

THEN... (cause not enough) we need a true move tight end, which is why we go where they grow 'em, in Florida - and take REED in the 4th.

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After doing tape study of Florida TE Jordan Reed, NFL Films' Greg Cosell believes Reed is "very similar" to Aaron Hernandez.
Cosell believes Reed has a chance to be the next "Joker" tight end in the NFL, creating matchup problems for defenses. At 6-foot-2 1/2 and 236 pounds, Reed ran a 4.72 forty at the Combine, although he was "unofficially" timed as fast as 4.62. His ten-yard split was 1.63 seconds. At the 2010 Florida Pro Day, a 6-foot-2 1/3, 245-pound Hernandez ran 4.64 with a 1.65-second ten-yard split. Mar 13 - 10:05 PM

Trust me people, we just need to do this.

jetster · 03-16-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerfish

If we took a TE at 9 I would have to go to best buy the next day to buy a new tv.

For S&Gs let's imagine that someone like Eifert becomes as good, & more reliable than Gronk (less injuries I should say)
Wouldn't you feel pretty stupid kicking in your TV?
Just asking

Dunnie · 03-16-2013, 11:50 AM

I think your are going to see more and more bulkier wideouts than ever before. Think Boldin.

The reason is because with the new safety rules, WRs have a huge physical advantage over the CBs. Getting massive guys with decent(not great) speed from the slot will become a necessity. The will be able to outphysical most corners and not worry about getting destroyed over the middle.

So my answer is NO. But I do think the wideout position is going to change from being a position that relies primarily on speed.

03-16-2013, 07:37 AM	#1
jetster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,924	Is Tight End more important than WR in new NFL? You only need to look north to see a new direction taken by someone I truly despise but have to admire for his foresight when it comes to building a team. While I would love to draft a receiver like Patterson, wouldn't it be smarter to go with a TE like The kid from Stanford. We already have Holmes, Hill, Kerley. With these new rules big Athletic TEs are almost unstoppable. Had Gronk not been injured the Pats probably win 2 more Superbowls. Hernandez is a matchup nightmare. Tony Gonzalez almost willed the Falcons the bowl. Dennis Pita was a huge part of the Ravens playoff run. Just a thought, but it just seems that since the new CBA taking a TE at 9 is not as crazy as it seems if they believe the guy is a stud. What say ye?

03-16-2013, 08:38 AM	#2
jetster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,924	Actually should have said, "Is a TE more important than a expensive recievers?" If you notice, the Pats have a pay scale for WRs & they don't go over. You look at teams like Zona & Detroit, they have the 2 best receivers in the league & they suck.

03-16-2013, 08:54 AM	#4
scott dierking II is wondering when Scott Dierking III will be joining the site. Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Montclair, NJ Posts: 2,481	The role of TE's has become more important as defenses depend less upon LB's as they used to. With the league becoming more pass oriented, defenses are constantly utilizing more nickel and dime packages, leaving less LB's on the field and more space for TE's routes which generally are in the center of the field between the LB gaps.

03-16-2013, 09:02 AM	#5
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,713	Yes you cannot overpay for WRs or CBs anymore. With the salary cap you need to spend the money, and high draft picks on guys closer to the ball that make more of an impact. Sure if you can get a TE that can run block, pass block, catch over the middle, and deep you have an advantage. A WR doesn't have a chance to do that but the chances of finding a TE to do that are slim as well. Safe money is on pass rushers, and a QB first. Then hope you hit big on a project TE. Hayden Smith has a chance to do that. He also has a chance of never seeing the field again.

03-16-2013, 09:03 AM	#7
Tinstar Saved,and Thankfull All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,453	The answer to your Question is no. If the best matchup option on your team is a TE, then that is where the Smart QB will throw the football and the smart OC will game plan. If it's a WR, RB, ect ect. The key to winning football at any level is blocking and tackling. If you get blocked, there's a very good chance you wont be making the tackle.

03-16-2013, 09:35 AM	#10
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,638	No, but it is just as important to Marty.

03-16-2013, 10:17 AM	#13
FTL Jet Fan Tired of delusional Dolphins fans. Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 182	Taking a TE at nine wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be to upset if they did take him. I don't thing he gets pass Miami at 12.

03-16-2013, 11:39 AM	#17
Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,107	The Tight End position has become one of the, if not THE, most important variable in your offense. Its how teams adjust to a defenses weaknesses. TEs are the most valuable asset outside of a QB. There'll be a day, when the Jimmy Grahams and Hernandez's become the most sought after weapons in the league.

03-16-2013, 11:50 AM	#20
Dunnie still waiting ... All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,181	I think your are going to see more and more bulkier wideouts than ever before. Think Boldin. The reason is because with the new safety rules, WRs have a huge physical advantage over the CBs. Getting massive guys with decent(not great) speed from the slot will become a necessity. The will be able to outphysical most corners and not worry about getting destroyed over the middle. So my answer is NO. But I do think the wideout position is going to change from being a position that relies primarily on speed.