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Eckesg1 · 03-20-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

That's really good news to hear that Rex will be taking over the defensive play calling again. Don't care what the stats said, our defense sucked last year. We had a handful of good games against terrible offenses and got shredded by the teams with good offenses.

Well to be completely fair here, the defensive stats should be even better because they got penalized for fumble returns for TDs and pick 6's plus having to play in bad field position with our sucky offense.

GandWFan · 03-20-2013, 12:37 PM

Rex should really resign as HC and go get a DC job somewhere. It is really what her prefers to do, and he is not good at the HC stuff anyway.

Eckesg1 · 03-20-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaJets

Jets can't worry about "potential" guys right now. athletic freak? yeah, but pretty raw too. Jets already have a similar guy in Hill. Jets don't have the luxury of being able to draft projects at the moment

I don't know if Cordarrelle Patterson is a "project" guy. Unlike Hill, he has proven that he can catch the ball. The only thing he has to work on is using his hands to get a good start off the line. That is easier to teach than learning how to catch.

That being said, the Oakland Raiders are at 3 and this would be the classic Oakland pick, even if Al Davis isn't there.

sec.101row23 · 03-20-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

I don't know if Cordarrelle Patterson is a "project" guy. Unlike Hill, he has proven that he can catch the ball. The only thing he has to work on is using his hands to get a good start off the line. That is easier to teach than learning how to catch.

Patterson needs to learn to use his hands when catching the ball as well, uses his body way too much. As a receiver Patterson is not an elite prospect, his ability to run with the ball is what is raising his value.

RevisCroWilson · 03-20-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaJets

Jets can't worry about "potential" guys right now. athletic freak? yeah, but pretty raw too. Jets already have a similar guy in Hill. Jets don't have the luxury of being able to draft projects at the moment

To compare patterson to hill is a smack in the face to patterson. THe playmaking ability this kid has compared to what hill had coming out is not even close. Just watch the film.

Eckesg1 · 03-20-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

Patterson needs to learn to use his hands when catching the ball as well, uses his body way too much. As a receiver Patterson is not an elite prospect, his ability to run with the ball is what is raising his value.

This is his highlight reel. Look at 2:26, 2:36 and 3:50. Fantastic catches where he uses his hands.

sec.101row23 · 03-20-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

This is his highlight reel. Look at 2:26, 2:36 and 3:50. Fantastic catches where he uses his hands.

Please, if you go by highlight reels every player looks like a first round pick. Still doesnt change the fact that he lets the ball get into his body too much and needs work running routes. Once the ball is in his hands he is great, he just isnt a great receiver.

revischrist · 03-20-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GandWFan

Rex should really resign as HC and go get a DC job somewhere. It is really what her prefers to do, and he is not good at the HC stuff anyway.

When was the last time you volunteered to a demotion.

C Mart · 03-20-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

Please, if you go by highlight reels every player looks like a first round pick. Still doesnt change the fact that he lets the ball get into his body too much and needs work running routes. Once the ball is in his hands he is great, he just isnt a great receiver.

So true!

Yet. Just like most players, for all positions, coming into the NFL. Which is why coaching, teaching and development is so important but rarely talked about.

johnnysd · 03-20-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

By Adam Schein
NFL.com
Published: Aug. 7, 2012

Here's the key. Ryan has attempted to be less controversial, but he remains super confident, recently saying he's the best defensive mind in the NFL.

OK, he's not Belichick or Dick LeBeau, but I'd put Ryan next on that list. His body of work speaks for itself. He has worked hand-in-hand with coordinator -- and longtime friend -- Mike Pettine to coach the defense.

Now Ryan is taking ownership, planning to call plays. With Sparano implementing Ryan's offensive plan, he can focus more intensely on defense and on improving his in-game management.

Ryan was livid that his defense finished fifth last year, though frankly, if you watched the Jets play, you wondered how they ranked that high. The Jets showed poor tackling fundamentals and struggled in the fourth quarter, and it made Ryan sick. He vowed that his defense wouldn't finish that low again. He has the fire. He has the résumé. He has player support; as linebacker David Harris said, "We refuse to let him down again."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...r-bowl-one-day

Good point, but he did back off that to only calling 3rd down plays initially and then after a few games letting Pettine call it all.

augustiniak · 03-20-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

Please, if you go by highlight reels every player looks like a first round pick. Still doesnt change the fact that he lets the ball get into his body too much and needs work running routes. Once the ball is in his hands he is great, he just isnt a great receiver.

yet, watch guys like patterson and austin, with all their flaws, light up the jets and whichever passrusher the jets take in the first round.

sec.101row23 · 03-20-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by augustiniak

yet, watch guys like patterson and austin, with all their flaws, light up the jets and whichever passrusher the jets take in the first round.

I am all for adding play makers, was all about drafting Floyd last year, preached all pre season on the need to bring in another vet WR. The draft just doesnt line up that way at #9 this year. It just sucks that the Jets have a top 10 pick in a year where there are no QBs, WRs, or RBs worth taking that high.

crasherino · 03-20-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

Well to be completely fair here, the defensive stats should be even better because they got penalized for fumble returns for TDs and pick 6's plus having to play in bad field position with our sucky offense.

I haven't looked it up but I have to think that the Jets were the leaders in TD returns against, no? Have to be at least near the top if not the leader.

augustiniak · 03-20-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

I am all for adding play makers, was all about drafting Floyd last year, preached all pre season on the need to bring in another vet WR. The draft just doesnt line up that way at #9 this year. It just sucks that the Jets have a top 10 pick in a year where there are no QBs, WRs, or RBs worth taking that high.

i disagree. all the top pass rushers come with question marks. jones has an injury issue, mingo is often written up as a boom/bust guy, anzah is an unfinished product who may not thrive at olb in a 3/4. jordan will probably be gone by the time the jets pick, but he's the guy i like the best. it's not clear that mingo or anzah is a better pick than patterson or austin. patterson has his questions, mingo has his.

as good a job rex has done here defensively, his job, ironically, may hinge on whether he's able to improve the offense. making this task infinitely more challenging is that there does not appear to be any available qb upgrade. absent this, the best way to give the offense some juice is to get someone who can take an 8 yard slant to the house. the jets have nobody who can do this. and the odds of the jets drafting someone who can do this, decreases each round they take a defensive player. to wit, if the jets take, say, mingo, the chances of finding a stud playmaker decrease in the 2nd. if they then take a safety in the 2nd, the odds decrease even more. at some point the jets will have to take the chance in the first round offensively, the way they did with gholston. or else they'll always have two built in excuses for why the jets fail: 1) they have no qb and 2) they drafted BAP who always happens to be a defensive guy in the first round.

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southside · 03-20-2013, 01:42 PM

Patterson looked quite impressive from that highlight reel.

Not at #9 though. A lot of those plays were made against inferior teams with poor athleticism. I don't see his combine numbers reflecting that those plays will translate to the NFL.

Sourceworx · 03-20-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by section314

Hopefully they will be spending alot more time watching the guy throwing him the ball, Tyler Bray.

I'd prefer Mike Glennon.

sec.101row23 · 03-20-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by augustiniak

i disagree. all the top pass rushers come with question marks. jones has an injury issue, mingo is often written up as a boom/bust guy, anzah is an unfinished product who may not thrive at olb in a 3/4. jordan will probably be gone by the time the jets pick, but he's the guy i like the best. it's not clear that mingo or anzah is a better pick than patterson or austin. patterson has his questions, mingo has his.

as good a job rex has done here defensively, his job, ironically, may hinge on whether he's able to improve the offense. making this task infinitely more challenging is that there does not appear to be any available qb upgrade. absent this, the best way to give the offense some juice is to get someone who can take an 8 yard slant to the house. the jets have nobody who can do this. and the odds of the jets drafting someone who can do this, decreases each round they take a defensive player. to wit, if the jets take, say, mingo, the chances of finding a stud playmaker decrease in the 2nd. if they then take a safety in the 2nd, the odds decrease even more. at some point the jets will have to take the chance in the first round offensively, the way they did with gholston. or else they'll always have two built in excuses for why the jets fail: 1) they have no qb and 2) they drafted BAP who always happens to be a defensive guy in the first round.

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Who says it is either draft a WR or an OLB? You dont think there are guys who can make plays in round 2,3 or 4? The worst thing you can do is reach badly on a guy based on need in the top 10. Just look at the Raiders.

augustiniak · 03-20-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

Who says it is either draft a WR or an OLB? You dont think there are guys who can make plays in round 2,3 or 4? The worst thing you can do is reach badly on a guy based on need in the top 10. Just look at the Raiders.

busts happen at every position. but the odds of getting stud players are higher in the first than in other rounds.

sec.101row23 · 03-20-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by augustiniak

busts happen at every position. but the odds of getting stud players are higher in the first than in other rounds.

True, and the odds increase when you reach badly to try to fill a need.

augustiniak · 03-20-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sec.101row23

True, and the odds increase when you reach badly to try to fill a need.

the odds increase when you don't evaluate player properly

03-20-2013, 12:37 PM	#22
GandWFan Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,099	Rex should really resign as HC and go get a DC job somewhere. It is really what her prefers to do, and he is not good at the HC stuff anyway.

03-20-2013, 01:42 PM	#35
southside Forever Awesome All Pro Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,898	Patterson looked quite impressive from that highlight reel. Not at #9 though. A lot of those plays were made against inferior teams with poor athleticism. I don't see his combine numbers reflecting that those plays will translate to the NFL.