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bitonti · 11-18-2005, 11:26 AM

according to AP. For all the abuse I've taken for being an "isolationist" - I knew I was a man ahead of my time... :D

[QUOTE][B]Poll: More Americans want off world stage[/B]

Thursday, November 17, 2005; Posted: 9:59 p.m. EST (02:59 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The public's belief that the United States should mind its own business internationally has reached levels not seen since after the Cold War ended more than a decade ago, a poll has found.

Opinion leaders from various parts of society also are less likely to feel the United States should be the most assertive of the leading nations, according to the poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. The poll, sponsored this year by Pew and the Council on Foreign Relations, has been conducted by Pew every four years since 1993.

Anxiety about the war in Iraq is likely a big reason for the shift in attitudes.

"What's striking is the common thread, both the opinion leaders favoring a less assertive role for the United States and the public's isolationist views," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center. "This particular period of time marks a transition from the post-9/11 era."

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the public's attention to international affairs spiked upward and their worries tilted sharply toward national security and defending against terrorists.

The new Pew poll found that 42 percent of the public said the United States should "mind its own business internationally" -- up from 30 percent who felt that way in 2002 and comparable to the mid-1970s after Vietnam, and the early 1990s after the Cold War ended.

Among the poll's other findings:

The influential Americans were inclined to think spreading democracy around the Middle East is a good idea, but doubt it will work.

Both opinion leaders and the public were inclined to view China as a potential problem, but not as an adversary of the United States. In fact many opinion leaders see China as a potential ally in the future.

The public was more likely to say the United States should remain the only superpower, but leaders in the fields of religion, academics and science were inclined to say it is OK if another country becomes as powerful as the United States.

The poll of 2,006 adults was conducted from Oct. 12-24 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points. The poll of 520 men and women who are leaders from the news media, foreign affairs, academics, security, the military, religion, science and state and local government was done both by telephone and online from Sept. 5-Oct. 31.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. [/QUOTE]

Warfish · 11-18-2005, 11:31 AM

I've been a Pat Buchanan Isolationist for 15 years.

Sadly, it IS hard to be a Libertarian (the best party available IMO today) and still believe in general Isolationism, and the concurrent belief of limitations of immigration that come with it (which Libertarianism stands against).

Hence why I suppose I'd be called a Conservative Libertarian. Mix the two belief systems, and I'm in good shape!!

quantum · 11-21-2005, 11:53 AM

Its only at 42% for the Kitty Genovese crowd - not really a mandate. :rolleyes:

doggin94it · 11-21-2005, 12:16 PM

Isolationism is an irrational response to a dangerous situation. Hiding in the corner never helped anything or anyone.

Jetcane · 11-21-2005, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=quantum]Its only at 42% for the Kitty Genovese crowd - not really a mandate. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
LMAO@the Kitty reference.

Agreed @ dogginit. The world has become too dangerous and too small to pretend we can isolate from it.

quantum · 11-21-2005, 01:12 PM

[QUOTE=Jetcane]LMAO@the Kitty reference.

Agreed @ dogginit. The world has become too dangerous and too small to pretend we can isolate from it.[/QUOTE]

But isn't it ironic that the Left wants to isolate EXCEPT where immigration is concerned - then its a big No Borders Party. :rolleyes:

bitonti · 11-21-2005, 01:20 PM

oh yeah like the right is really interested in shutting down the borders. Bush is about 6 weeks away from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens.

we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.

quantum · 11-21-2005, 01:27 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti]oh yeah like the right is really interested in shutting down the borders. Bush is about 6 weeks away from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens.

we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.[/QUOTE]

The Left is way more vocal about open borders - and Repubs dare not do anything about it.

Jetcane · 11-21-2005, 02:21 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti]we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.[/QUOTE]

There are no guarantees in life, PERIOD.

Stop thinking in terms of guarantees. Life in the 21st century is dangerous, and pretending to ignore what is going on in other parts of the world at our peril is ignorant.

rextilleon · 11-21-2005, 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=quantum]But isn't it ironic that the Left wants to isolate EXCEPT where immigration is concerned - then its a big No Borders Party. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Why is it with a Republican president, a Republican House, a Republican Senate you righties can't fix up immigration. Obviously, your leadership doesn't want to do anything about it. Stop blamming the democrats and take a look at the nuts who are ruining your party.

Come Back to NY · 11-21-2005, 08:10 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti]oh yeah like the right is really interested in shutting down the borders. Bush is about 6 weeks away from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens.

we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.[/QUOTE]

comical...they must post this sh!t on some far left site and everyone just copies then pastes it...

then again, let's put this ridiculous theory to rest, er I mean test- shall we....

June/'98....Khobar Towers

August/'98....African Embassy Bombings

Oct/'00....USS Cole

?????????

I go back to the former...put this ridiculous theory to rest....

Jetcane · 11-21-2005, 08:58 PM

[QUOTE=rextilleon]Why is it with a Republican president, a Republican House, a Republican Senate you righties can't fix up immigration. Obviously, your leadership doesn't want to do anything about it. Stop blamming the democrats and take a look at the nuts who are ruining your party.[/QUOTE]

Neither party should get a pass on the border problem. I suspect some private lobbyists are keeping them fat so they STFU.

quantum · 11-22-2005, 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=rextilleon]Why is it with a Republican president, a Republican House, a Republican Senate you righties can't fix up immigration. Obviously, your leadership doesn't want to do anything about it. Stop blamming the democrats and take a look at the nuts who are ruining your party.[/QUOTE]

Lets say the Repubs try to fix it...what's the first thing that happens? What ALWAYS happens: cries of racism and stereotyping and profiling.

Go read a newspaper. :rolleyes:

11-18-2005, 11:26 AM	#1
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	Isolationism coming back into style according to AP. For all the abuse I've taken for being an "isolationist" - I knew I was a man ahead of my time... :D [QUOTE][B]Poll: More Americans want off world stage[/B] Thursday, November 17, 2005; Posted: 9:59 p.m. EST (02:59 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The public's belief that the United States should mind its own business internationally has reached levels not seen since after the Cold War ended more than a decade ago, a poll has found. Opinion leaders from various parts of society also are less likely to feel the United States should be the most assertive of the leading nations, according to the poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. The poll, sponsored this year by Pew and the Council on Foreign Relations, has been conducted by Pew every four years since 1993. Anxiety about the war in Iraq is likely a big reason for the shift in attitudes. "What's striking is the common thread, both the opinion leaders favoring a less assertive role for the United States and the public's isolationist views," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center. "This particular period of time marks a transition from the post-9/11 era." After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the public's attention to international affairs spiked upward and their worries tilted sharply toward national security and defending against terrorists. The new Pew poll found that 42 percent of the public said the United States should "mind its own business internationally" -- up from 30 percent who felt that way in 2002 and comparable to the mid-1970s after Vietnam, and the early 1990s after the Cold War ended. Among the poll's other findings: The influential Americans were inclined to think spreading democracy around the Middle East is a good idea, but doubt it will work. Both opinion leaders and the public were inclined to view China as a potential problem, but not as an adversary of the United States. In fact many opinion leaders see China as a potential ally in the future. The public was more likely to say the United States should remain the only superpower, but leaders in the fields of religion, academics and science were inclined to say it is OK if another country becomes as powerful as the United States. The poll of 2,006 adults was conducted from Oct. 12-24 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points. The poll of 520 men and women who are leaders from the news media, foreign affairs, academics, security, the military, religion, science and state and local government was done both by telephone and online from Sept. 5-Oct. 31. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. [/QUOTE]

11-18-2005, 11:31 AM	#2
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	I've been a Pat Buchanan Isolationist for 15 years. Sadly, it IS hard to be a Libertarian (the best party available IMO today) and still believe in general Isolationism, and the concurrent belief of limitations of immigration that come with it (which Libertarianism stands against). Hence why I suppose I'd be called a Conservative Libertarian. Mix the two belief systems, and I'm in good shape!!

11-21-2005, 11:53 AM	#3
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	Its only at 42% for the Kitty Genovese crowd - not really a mandate. :rolleyes:

11-21-2005, 12:16 PM	#4
doggin94it Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,429	Isolationism is an irrational response to a dangerous situation. Hiding in the corner never helped anything or anyone.

11-21-2005, 12:48 PM	#5
Jetcane Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,430	[QUOTE=quantum]Its only at 42% for the Kitty Genovese crowd - not really a mandate. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] LMAO@the Kitty reference. Agreed @ dogginit. The world has become too dangerous and too small to pretend we can isolate from it.

11-21-2005, 01:12 PM	#6
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	[QUOTE=Jetcane]LMAO@the Kitty reference. Agreed @ dogginit. The world has become too dangerous and too small to pretend we can isolate from it.[/QUOTE] But isn't it ironic that the Left wants to isolate EXCEPT where immigration is concerned - then its a big No Borders Party. :rolleyes:

11-21-2005, 01:20 PM	#7
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	oh yeah like the right is really interested in shutting down the borders. Bush is about 6 weeks away from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens. we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.

11-21-2005, 01:27 PM	#8
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	[QUOTE=bitonti]oh yeah like the right is really interested in shutting down the borders. Bush is about 6 weeks away from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens. we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.[/QUOTE] The Left is way more vocal about open borders - and Repubs dare not do anything about it.

11-21-2005, 02:21 PM	#9
Jetcane Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,430	[QUOTE=bitonti]we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.[/QUOTE] There are no guarantees in life, PERIOD. Stop thinking in terms of guarantees. Life in the 21st century is dangerous, and pretending to ignore what is going on in other parts of the world at our peril is ignorant.

11-21-2005, 06:54 PM	#10
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,653	[QUOTE=quantum]But isn't it ironic that the Left wants to isolate EXCEPT where immigration is concerned - then its a big No Borders Party. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Why is it with a Republican president, a Republican House, a Republican Senate you righties can't fix up immigration. Obviously, your leadership doesn't want to do anything about it. Stop blamming the democrats and take a look at the nuts who are ruining your party.

11-21-2005, 08:10 PM	#11
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	[QUOTE=bitonti]oh yeah like the right is really interested in shutting down the borders. Bush is about 6 weeks away from granting amnesty to all illegal aliens. we can say the world is too dangerous to be isolationist, meanwhile there's absolutely no guaruntee that meddling in the affairs of these countries will make this country any safer. There was seven years between WTC bombing in 1993 and 9-11. The next 9-11 is probably being plotted as we speak but we are too busy playing cowboys and arabs to notice.[/QUOTE] comical...they must post this sh!t on some far left site and everyone just copies then pastes it... then again, let's put this ridiculous theory to rest, er I mean test- shall we.... June/'98....Khobar Towers August/'98....African Embassy Bombings Oct/'00....USS Cole ????????? I go back to the former...put this ridiculous theory to rest....

11-21-2005, 08:58 PM	#12
Jetcane Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,430	[QUOTE=rextilleon]Why is it with a Republican president, a Republican House, a Republican Senate you righties can't fix up immigration. Obviously, your leadership doesn't want to do anything about it. Stop blamming the democrats and take a look at the nuts who are ruining your party.[/QUOTE] Neither party should get a pass on the border problem. I suspect some private lobbyists are keeping them fat so they STFU.

11-22-2005, 10:26 AM	#13
quantum GFY Snatchez! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI Posts: 17,905	[QUOTE=rextilleon]Why is it with a Republican president, a Republican House, a Republican Senate you righties can't fix up immigration. Obviously, your leadership doesn't want to do anything about it. Stop blamming the democrats and take a look at the nuts who are ruining your party.[/QUOTE] Lets say the Repubs try to fix it...what's the first thing that happens? What ALWAYS happens: cries of racism and stereotyping and profiling. Go read a newspaper. :rolleyes: