Trade Ellis now before he's untradeable?

Jetman73 · 01-25-2006, 01:57 PM

The thinking here goes like this....

Some in the league think he "dogged" at least half of the season. Some in the league think he was a victim of Vilma emerging as the teams captain, the team's injuries, Herm, etc etc

If he has another subpar year, we'll be stuck with him till the end of his contract. If we can eat part of the contract and send him off, we'll have a better chance of re-signing Abe's.

Or, we can try converting to a NT. But, thats a bit of a stretch and we would still be stuck with his contract if he doesnt do more than avg. at the position.

KR · 01-25-2006, 01:59 PM

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Some in the league think he "dogged" at least half of the season

Name your sources before its sent to the dump(Hurrayyyyy)

Section109Row15 · 01-25-2006, 02:01 PM

He just signed a new contract with a 15M bonus. If we cut/trade him it would count as around 12-13M against our cap. We don't have that option.

There were reports that he was playing hurt most of the year.

Also they already tried to move Ellis to a DT and it was a disaster.

Jetman73 · 01-25-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Rhodes

Name your sources before its sent to the dump(Hurrayyyyy)

Give me your SS # and bank statements first. This way i can find out if youre legit

shuler82 · 01-25-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Section109Row15

He just signed a new contract with a 15M bonus. If we cut/trade him it would count as around 12-13M against our cap. We don't have that option..

what he said.

some people should take the time to learn about the salary cap before they waste sooth's bandwith

JazzyJet · 01-25-2006, 02:11 PM

one bad year, everyone overreacts...remember how admirably he played when abe went down in 2004...strahan has had some bad years would u consider him a bad player...didn't think so, everyone need to calm down Ellis is a great player and will be back

K-Met57 · 01-25-2006, 02:12 PM

ill pass on trading a legit stud DE.

WestCoastOffensive · 01-25-2006, 02:19 PM

Shaun Ellis is more than you see on the field.

In 2001, I was at the Raider games EARLY, and from a safe disatnce (the walkway) I watched Big Shaun lead a group of Jets over to jaw with the Black Hole, who were ready to go. (The Raiders were looking for win to set up a bye). I was pretty proud for them, and I kept thinking of Parcells and his picks; he loves the tough guys. The Jets won that game.

Another Ellis anectdote is that he spoke up before going into Pittsburgh; saying that they had better be ready-the Jets had something for the 10-1 Steelers. They harrassed Ben, and that was the game that started the whispers that the rookie was hitting the wall. Something hit him...#92.

Problem was, the offense stayed in NY that day. Another battle with one hand tied behind their backs.

K-Met57 · 01-25-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

Shaun Ellis is more than you see on the field.

In 2001, I was at the Raider games EARLY, and from a safe disatnce (the walkway) I watched Big Shaun lead a group of Jets over to jaw with the Black Hole, who were ready to go. (The Raiders were looking for win to set up a bye). I was pretty proud for them, and I kept thinking of Parcells and his picks; he loves the tough guys. The Jets won that game.

Another Ellis anectdote is that he spoke up before going into Pittsburgh; saying that they had better be ready-the Jets had something for the 10-1 Steelers. They harrassed Ben, and that was the game that started the whispers that the rookie was hitting the wall. Something hit him...#92.

Problem was, the offense stayed in NY that day. Another battle with one hand tied behind their backs.

agreed...to me...i keep Ellis over Abe 7 days a week.

KR · 01-25-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

Shaun Ellis is more than you see on the field.

In 2001, I was at the Raider games EARLY, and from a safe disatnce (the walkway) I watched Big Shaun lead a group of Jets over to jaw with the Black Hole, who were ready to go. (The Raiders were looking for win to set up a bye). I was pretty proud for them, and I kept thinking of Parcells and his picks; he loves the tough guys. The Jets won that game.

Another Ellis anectdote is that he spoke up before going into Pittsburgh; saying that they had better be ready-the Jets had something for the 10-1 Steelers. They harrassed Ben, and that was the game that started the whispers that the rookie was hitting the wall. Something hit him...#92.

Problem was, the offense stayed in NY that day. Another battle with one hand tied behind their backs.

Great post WCO, Let me add my own if you may,

Shaun Ellis became my favorite Jet last year in the playoffs against Pittsburgh.

I had been so MAD all day and week about John Abraham, and then during the game Shaun Ellis had to get helped off and I thought we were screwed. Even worse--Then Pittsburgh starts driving on us and are inside our 35.

All of a sudden the camera shows Shaun Ellis sprinting out of the locker room, finding his helmet and running onto the feild.

Within the next few plays Ellis causes a fumble (Jerome Bettis) and we get the ball back. At the time I really believe the Jets defense finally had an identity that day.

My point is, Shaun Ellis is a JET at Heart, a leader, and plays with injuries. If we were in the playoff hunt you guys better know SE would be playing.

I look forward to him being here for a LONG time.

BUT on a side note, Jetman 73, because of that thing called the salary cap I dont have to worry about him going anywhere--That's why this is a candidate for the dump

Bleedin' Green · 01-25-2006, 02:29 PM

I like Ellis and believe we should keep him. But say we do we trade him, what exactly do you expect to get from a starting DE who racked up 2 1/2 sacks? Granted, he's better than that stat would suggest, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt his value. Combine that with the immense hit and there is nothing positive that could come out of trying to deal him.

WestCoastOffensive · 01-25-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by emslave

agreed...to me...i keep Ellis over Abe 7 days a week.

I don't see how you can quantify them, em. I feel that they feed off each other, they are buddies when the times are good/great...it would be hard for anyone outside of Henderson to really be correct there-they both mean a lot to Herm's Tampa-2 scheme.

Since Ellis is hurt less often, I guess you have a case there...

WestCoastOffensive · 01-25-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Rhodes

Great post WCO, Let me add my own if you may,

Shaun Ellis became my favorite Jet last year in the playoffs against Pittsburgh.

I had been so MAD all day and week about John Abraham, and then during the game Shaun Ellis had to get helped off and I thought we were screwed. Even worse--Then Pittsburgh starts driving on us and are inside our 35.

All of a sudden the camera shows Shaun Ellis sprinting out of the locker room, finding his helmet and running onto the feild.

Within the next few plays Ellis causes a fumble (Jerome Bettis) and we get the ball back. At the time I really believe the Jets defense finally had an identity that day.

My point is, Shaun Ellis is a JET at Heart, a leader, and plays with injuries. If we were in the playoff hunt you guys better know SE would be playing.

I look forward to him being here for a LONG time.

BUT on a side note, Jetman 73, because of that thing called the salary cap I dont have to worry about him going anywhere--That's why this is a candidate for the dump

There you go! Excellent post. I knew this guy had heart...he's a keeper. Thanks for speaking up.

Bleedin' Green · 01-25-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

I don't see how you can quantify them, em. I feel that they feed off each other, they are buddies when the times are good/great...it would be hard for anyone outside of Henderson to really be correct there-they both mean a lot to Herm's Tampa-2 scheme.

Since Ellis is hurt less often, I guess you have a case there...

Correction... not mean but meant. Herm's gone and he took the sorry *** "Cover Who?" with him.

Jet Genius · 01-25-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetman73

The thinking here goes like this....

Some in the league think he "dogged" at least half of the season. Some in the league think he was a victim of Vilma emerging as the teams captain, the team's injuries, Herm, etc etc

If he has another subpar year, we'll be stuck with him till the end of his contract. If we can eat part of the contract and send him off, we'll have a better chance of re-signing Abe's.

Or, we can try converting to a NT. But, thats a bit of a stretch and we would still be stuck with his contract if he doesnt do more than avg. at the position.

you cannot get rid of him. the guy makes too much moeny-- if they released him/traded him the jets would take a HUGE cap hit.... was he worth it? NO... i said it before and i'll say it again : JOHN ABRAHAM IS BETTER THAN SHAUN ELLIS---- always was, always will be.

chad, ellis, mccariens, d-rob are un-tradable... in my book they should be the first 4 off the team, but BAD MANAGEMENT has forced them to stay.

WestCoastOffensive · 01-25-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleedin' Green

Correction... not mean but meant. Herm's gone and he took the sorry *** "Cover Who?" with him.

Well, at least you caught my drift...that was exactly what i was alluding to.

As much as we rough up Herm, I liked that scheme.

Don't hate me...

TexJet · 01-25-2006, 02:54 PM

73..........no, you don't trade Ellis (our most dependable end). You get him ready to kick *** next year. You keep Abe and add a rather large NT to play next to Robertson. That's my biggest hope for our defense next year. Keep the line intact and add a bruiser in the middle. That would insure a top 10 defense on 2006.

Now, if we could only get Ellis to play OG as well.................kidding.

The Crusher · 01-25-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by emslave

ill pass on trading a legit stud DE.

Exactly. The whole defense played sub-par. This guy makes plays and plays hard every down. This thread is stupid.

djr44 · 01-25-2006, 03:08 PM

I think under Mangini we might get the best out of ellis and abe!!!

DJR44

NoJokeJets · 01-25-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive

I don't see how you can quantify them, em. I feel that they feed off each other, they are buddies when the times are good/great...it would be hard for anyone outside of Henderson to really be correct there-they both mean a lot to Herm's Tampa-2 scheme.

Since Ellis is hurt less often, I guess you have a case there...

Yeah, but Ellis wasn't "Ellis" last year.

He for sure took plays off.

Was he injured?

View Poll Results: Should we trade Ellis before we can't?
Yes - trade Ellis now	17	20.99%
No - dont trade Ellis, let him ride out his contract with us	20	24.69%
Convert Ellis to a NT - realizing we may be stuck with him if he cant perform at that position	4	4.94%
Leave Ellis where he is - you gotta love the guy	37	45.68%
His salary cap # prevents him from being traded	3	3.70%
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01-25-2006, 01:57 PM	#1
Jetman73 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,074	Trade Ellis now before he's untradeable? The thinking here goes like this.... Some in the league think he "dogged" at least half of the season. Some in the league think he was a victim of Vilma emerging as the teams captain, the team's injuries, Herm, etc etc If he has another subpar year, we'll be stuck with him till the end of his contract. If we can eat part of the contract and send him off, we'll have a better chance of re-signing Abe's. Or, we can try converting to a NT. But, thats a bit of a stretch and we would still be stuck with his contract if he doesnt do more than avg. at the position.

01-25-2006, 02:01 PM	#3
Section109Row15 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 3,406	He just signed a new contract with a 15M bonus. If we cut/trade him it would count as around 12-13M against our cap. We don't have that option. There were reports that he was playing hurt most of the year. Also they already tried to move Ellis to a DT and it was a disaster. Last edited by Section109Row15; 01-25-2006 at 02:04 PM.

01-25-2006, 02:11 PM	#6
JazzyJet 2 legit 2 quit Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,953	one bad year, everyone overreacts...remember how admirably he played when abe went down in 2004...strahan has had some bad years would u consider him a bad player...didn't think so, everyone need to calm down Ellis is a great player and will be back

01-25-2006, 02:12 PM	#7
K-Met57 Jets 38 Bills 17 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,176	ill pass on trading a legit stud DE.

01-25-2006, 02:19 PM	#8
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,642	Shaun Ellis is more than you see on the field. In 2001, I was at the Raider games EARLY, and from a safe disatnce (the walkway) I watched Big Shaun lead a group of Jets over to jaw with the Black Hole, who were ready to go. (The Raiders were looking for win to set up a bye). I was pretty proud for them, and I kept thinking of Parcells and his picks; he loves the tough guys. The Jets won that game. Another Ellis anectdote is that he spoke up before going into Pittsburgh; saying that they had better be ready-the Jets had something for the 10-1 Steelers. They harrassed Ben, and that was the game that started the whispers that the rookie was hitting the wall. Something hit him...#92. Problem was, the offense stayed in NY that day. Another battle with one hand tied behind their backs.

01-25-2006, 02:29 PM	#11
Bleedin' Green Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,093	I like Ellis and believe we should keep him. But say we do we trade him, what exactly do you expect to get from a starting DE who racked up 2 1/2 sacks? Granted, he's better than that stat would suggest, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt his value. Combine that with the immense hit and there is nothing positive that could come out of trying to deal him.

01-25-2006, 02:54 PM	#17
TexJet Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 1,412	73..........no, you don't trade Ellis (our most dependable end). You get him ready to kick *** next year. You keep Abe and add a rather large NT to play next to Robertson. That's my biggest hope for our defense next year. Keep the line intact and add a bruiser in the middle. That would insure a top 10 defense on 2006. Now, if we could only get Ellis to play OG as well.................kidding.

01-25-2006, 03:08 PM	#19
djr44 hoping the best player on the jets, #24 gets back in camp. All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,333	I think under Mangini we might get the best out of ellis and abe!!! DJR44