Marines committ atrocity in Haditha - Page 2

bman · 05-26-2006, 02:00 PM

CNN) -- A human rights group said Friday that about 34 civilians were killed in a U.S. air attack Monday on the village of Azizi in southern Afghanistan, more than double the number previously cited by President Hamid Karzai....

THE amount of innocent people who have died in Bush's wars FAR exceeds any innocent americans ever killed by terrorism....

well done BUSH!!!..

19 people (mainly sauds) with 4 knives attacked us on 9-11..what do we? start a world war...
you should be ashamed of your country for doing this..This is UNAMERICAN..BUSH IS UNAMERICAN..
dont act surprised when the roosters come home to roost....

america has killed so many damn innocent people leading normal lives...what a shame.

BrooklynBound · 05-26-2006, 02:16 PM

[QUOTE=bman]CNN) -- A human rights group said Friday that about 34 civilians were killed in a U.S. air attack Monday on the village of Azizi in southern Afghanistan, more than double the number previously cited by President Hamid Karzai....

THE amount of innocent people who have died in Bush's wars FAR exceeds any innocent americans ever killed by terrorism....

well done BUSH!!!..

19 people (mainly sauds) with 4 knives attacked us on 9-11..what do we? start a world war...
you should be ashamed of your country for doing this..This is UNAMERICAN..BUSH IS UNAMERICAN..
dont act surprised when the roosters come home to roost....

america has killed so many damn innocent people leading normal lives...what a shame.[/QUOTE]

what country are you a citizen of?

bman · 05-26-2006, 02:26 PM

I am a human being first..an american second..
Real Americans are against wars that are fought to enhance american empire..
Real Americans are against the killing of innocent people..
Real Americans would have tracked down bin laden and searched the globe for Qeada..
Real Americans oppose the Iraq war started by draft dodging pussies who lied to tax payers and then have innocents killed.

05-26-2006, 04:46 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7]How is Bitoni undermining his efforts?

Do you really believe that [i]all [/i]of the soldiers fighting in Iraq actually believe in the mission set forth by politicians, namely the BushCo?[/QUOTE]

Well,

the undermining is obvious. you dont see it because you do it also

1) everyone enlisted of their own volition, so they have to follow orders

2) I believe there are many soldiers who look at the armed services as
a quick way to get the skills they failed to get , or aspire to at an earlier age-those are the ones who should get out as soon as they can

3) I believe that the vast majority of soldiers do believe in the mission
the reenlistment rates are impressive

bman · 05-26-2006, 04:50 PM

i feel bad for them...
they are supposed to defend america..not attack countries we dont like..

war is hell..people are dying...war is the devil...
war should be avoided at all costs and be the very very last option..
Unfortunately, the iraq war was decided upon, and then tried to be justified....
this was a war that was policy..
thats not the american way..
we gotto stop the hijacking of humanity...
hammas
iran
neo cons

kennyo7 · 05-26-2006, 04:58 PM

[QUOTE=flushingjet]Well,

the undermining is obvious. you dont see it because you do it also

1) everyone enlisted of their own volition, so they have to follow orders

2) I believe there are many soldiers who look at the armed services as
a quick way to get the skills they failed to get , or aspire to at an earlier age-those are the ones who should get out as soon as they can

3) I believe that the vast majority of soldiers do believe in the mission
the reenlistment rates are impressive[/QUOTE]

No undermining is not obvious. You are simply repeating this b/c thats what the chickenhawks keep saying.
Anyone who served in the military will tell you that protests on war policies here do not affect the troops while they are fighting there. If you dont believe me, then you should at least listen to Right wingers General Tommy Franks and Oliver North. Both men have said this on Fox News several times.

[QUOTE]1) everyone enlisted of their own volition, so they have to follow orders[/QUOTE]

No Sh!t sherlock. Thats exactly the point.. You will never hear any protest from an active duty military personnel b/c it is ILLEGAL for them to do so. They will face criminal charges, be dishonerably discharged, face possible prison, lose their pension and VA benefits. However the # of returnees who retire have come back and voiced their disgust with this war in great numbers.

[QUOTE]3) I believe that the vast majority of soldiers do believe in the mission
the reenlistment rates are impressive[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Again this is an illogical conclusion. Peple re-enlist for a number of reasons. Re-enlistment was low and the military had to offer financial incentives . A recent anonymous poll of over 1000 military personell (previously posted) showed an overwhelming # feel we need to get out of Iraq within the next 12 months and a narrow majority feel we should never have gone there to start. I dont know where you come up with your info.

05-26-2006, 04:58 PM

[QUOTE=bman]i feel bad for them...
they are supposed to defend america..not attack countries we dont like..

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Thats funny, i was thinking the same when Clinton attacked Serbia and shot missiles at empty tents in Iraq and Sudanese aspirin factories but I was
in favor because I supported my president like americans are supposed to do even if they didnt vote for them

05-26-2006, 05:06 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7] blah [/QUOTE]

Your service was long ago. Nothing to do with the soldiers of today.

Many were disgusted, and rightfully so with 9/11 and know the ummah , or any other enemy that emerges needs to be taken down and out

Thats how a native American who is not Euro/UN Centric or a bogus
"independent" or moral relativist feels

They reenlist in large #s, but if they do it for the wrong reasons,
thats their problem. And if they dont expect to fight, theyre in the
wrong profession-what can I tell you

sackdance · 05-26-2006, 06:28 PM

[QUOTE=Kotch]Murtha gets his info from the high-ups in command, they send stuff through him that they can't get throught the DoD. Basically, as a former Marine and DI, they can use him as a mouthpiece to vent their concerns that otherwise wouldn't get through the politics of the DoD. Guys like John Warner are the same way in the Senate, or Sy Hersh in the papers.

Let's keep our eye on the ball here. The only reason that this story is out there is because other Marines saw the atrocity, the killing of innocent civilian children, and decided to report it. Slaughtering civilians isn't what the Marines are about, Murtha knows it, and the Marines who reported this know it. Those responsible for doing this should be held accountable, and promptly court martialed. This is the United States Marine Corps, NOT the SS. We don't slaughter children and get away with it.[/QUOTE]
Don't give me this former Marine garbage - anyone giving Murtha information knows exactly who they're giving it to and how they want it to play out. You'll have us believe his old drill sergeant is telling us this at the VFW? Leaks like that are much more effective through Murtha than through, say, Jerold Nadler or Barney Frank. (two fine Democratic specimens, imho) By the book, armed forces take care of the business of discipline where and whenever possible outside of politics - it's always been that way, or supposed to be. This separation also helps prevent generals stomping around DC leading coup d'etats, too, btw.

Jetsin2004 · 05-26-2006, 06:49 PM

Just Amazing, now that Bush has planted the seeds for hundreds and thousands of future terrorists,, the Bushys are going to say SEE They attack us for no reason! If Clinton had bombed Osama none of this would have happened!

bman · 05-26-2006, 06:56 PM

whether you are pro bush, pro iraq war or not...there is no defending the murder of innocent people....
..
you know what the real problem is in the world? There's toooooo many goddamn guns.

BrooklynBound · 05-26-2006, 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=bman]
..
you know what the real problem is in the world? There's toooooo many goddamn guns.[/QUOTE]
LOL

bman · 05-26-2006, 07:09 PM

honestly..rugby matches or fist fights should determine world conflicts..whoever invented gun powder is an A-Hole...

And people here talk about GOD...70% of the earth is water...
none of those species in that water use guns! Perhaps they were created in gods image!

Jet Moses · 05-26-2006, 07:23 PM

Now I’m finding truth is a ruin
Nauseous end that nobody is pursuing
Staring into glassy eyes
Mesmerized

[IMG]http://www.juegomania.org/Navy+Seals/fotos/gameboy/0/535_c/Caratula+Navy+Seals.jpg[/IMG]

There’s a vintage thirst returning
But I’m sheltered by my channel-surfing
Every famine virtual
Retrovertigo

[IMG]http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/be/d2/87194-resized200.JPG[/IMG]

Jetsin2004 · 05-26-2006, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=bman]honestly..rugby matches or fist fights should determine world conflicts..whoever invented gun powder is an A-Hole...

And people here talk about GOD...70% of the earth is water...
none of those species in that water use guns! Perhaps they were created in gods image![/QUOTE]

The funny thing is most people who love god also love their guns...

And things like fist fights and rugby mathches would never happen because the soldiers would begin fighting and then realize WTF they are fighting for then stop and go get a beer,, while AHOLE world Leaders like Osama Bin Laden, George W Bush and Saddam Hussein let the little people do the fighting and sit back on there high horse and collect the profits and watch there little experiments(with Curiousity)...

The Big leaders need guns and bombs because it dehumanizes the people to shoot a target from thousands of feet away, if people had to go face to face the soldiers would get tired faster and realize the people they were fighting were just like them(then their hatred would turn towards the leaders who told them to fight)..

Jet Moses · 05-26-2006, 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=Jetsin2004]The funny thing is most people who love god also love their guns...

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The funny thing is, you're a retard.

Jetsin2004 · 05-26-2006, 08:59 PM

[QUOTE=Jet Moses]The funny thing is, you're a retard.[/QUOTE]

aww poor sheeple

what do you love more sheepie,, Jesus or your smith and wesson

say bahhhh

bushhhh

f----g idiot...

Jetsin2004 · 05-26-2006, 09:01 PM

great pearl jam lyrics

Got a gun, fact I got two
Thats o.k. man, cuz I love god
Glorified version of a pellet gun
Feels so manly, when armed

Little gun loving cowards need there guns to feel like men

f----g pu$$ies...

jets5ever · 05-26-2006, 09:09 PM

What a bunch of whiny f*ggots we have on this board. 2004 is literally the stupidest person to ever post here and bman unfortunately is too biased to even consider the possibility that George Bush is not the reason for every problem in the world. Kenny speaks for military guys because he has treated a few, even though men like my father, uncle, cousin, brother and father in law contradict everything he posits. Yet, kenny can tell you exactly how "every" military man feels, because hey, he's dressed a few wounds. What a bunch of crying, gay-a$$ girl scouts. I've stayed away from this board for a while and with good reason...none of these idiots is worth the trouble.

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Jetsin2004 · 05-26-2006, 09:11 PM

awww we got a little closet homo who needs his gun to feel like a man

f----g pu$$y go shoot yourself with it you coward

It sucks when I blast you for what you are doesnt it?

Coward...

and stop trying to ki$$ a$$ you republican sniveling little girl,, god you are pathetic

05-26-2006, 02:26 PM	#23
bman All League Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,941	I am a human being first..an american second.. Real Americans are against wars that are fought to enhance american empire.. Real Americans are against the killing of innocent people.. Real Americans would have tracked down bin laden and searched the globe for Qeada.. Real Americans oppose the Iraq war started by draft dodging pussies who lied to tax payers and then have innocents killed. Last edited by bman; 05-26-2006 at 02:30 PM.

05-26-2006, 07:23 PM	#34
Jet Moses Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,281	Now I’m finding truth is a ruin Nauseous end that nobody is pursuing Staring into glassy eyes Mesmerized [IMG]http://www.juegomania.org/Navy+Seals/fotos/gameboy/0/535_c/Caratula+Navy+Seals.jpg[/IMG] There’s a vintage thirst returning But I’m sheltered by my channel-surfing Every famine virtual Retrovertigo [IMG]http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/be/d2/87194-resized200.JPG[/IMG] Last edited by Jet Moses; 05-26-2006 at 07:27 PM.

05-26-2006, 02:00 PM	#21
bman All League Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,941	CNN) -- A human rights group said Friday that about 34 civilians were killed in a U.S. air attack Monday on the village of Azizi in southern Afghanistan, more than double the number previously cited by President Hamid Karzai.... THE amount of innocent people who have died in Bush's wars FAR exceeds any innocent americans ever killed by terrorism.... well done BUSH!!!.. 19 people (mainly sauds) with 4 knives attacked us on 9-11..what do we? start a world war... you should be ashamed of your country for doing this..This is UNAMERICAN..BUSH IS UNAMERICAN.. dont act surprised when the roosters come home to roost.... america has killed so many damn innocent people leading normal lives...what a shame.

05-26-2006, 02:16 PM	#22
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=bman]CNN) -- A human rights group said Friday that about 34 civilians were killed in a U.S. air attack Monday on the village of Azizi in southern Afghanistan, more than double the number previously cited by President Hamid Karzai.... THE amount of innocent people who have died in Bush's wars FAR exceeds any innocent americans ever killed by terrorism.... well done BUSH!!!.. 19 people (mainly sauds) with 4 knives attacked us on 9-11..what do we? start a world war... you should be ashamed of your country for doing this..This is UNAMERICAN..BUSH IS UNAMERICAN.. dont act surprised when the roosters come home to roost.... america has killed so many damn innocent people leading normal lives...what a shame.[/QUOTE] what country are you a citizen of?

05-26-2006, 04:46 PM	#24
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=kennyo7]How is Bitoni undermining his efforts? Do you really believe that [i]all [/i]of the soldiers fighting in Iraq actually believe in the mission set forth by politicians, namely the BushCo?[/QUOTE] Well, the undermining is obvious. you dont see it because you do it also 1) everyone enlisted of their own volition, so they have to follow orders 2) I believe there are many soldiers who look at the armed services as a quick way to get the skills they failed to get , or aspire to at an earlier age-those are the ones who should get out as soon as they can 3) I believe that the vast majority of soldiers do believe in the mission the reenlistment rates are impressive

05-26-2006, 04:50 PM	#25
bman All League Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,941	i feel bad for them... they are supposed to defend america..not attack countries we dont like.. war is hell..people are dying...war is the devil... war should be avoided at all costs and be the very very last option.. Unfortunately, the iraq war was decided upon, and then tried to be justified.... this was a war that was policy.. thats not the american way.. we gotto stop the hijacking of humanity... hammas iran neo cons

05-26-2006, 04:58 PM	#26
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,417	[QUOTE=flushingjet]Well, the undermining is obvious. you dont see it because you do it also 1) everyone enlisted of their own volition, so they have to follow orders 2) I believe there are many soldiers who look at the armed services as a quick way to get the skills they failed to get , or aspire to at an earlier age-those are the ones who should get out as soon as they can 3) I believe that the vast majority of soldiers do believe in the mission the reenlistment rates are impressive[/QUOTE] No undermining is not obvious. You are simply repeating this b/c thats what the chickenhawks keep saying. Anyone who served in the military will tell you that protests on war policies here do not affect the troops while they are fighting there. If you dont believe me, then you should at least listen to Right wingers General Tommy Franks and Oliver North. Both men have said this on Fox News several times. [QUOTE]1) everyone enlisted of their own volition, so they have to follow orders[/QUOTE] No Sh!t sherlock. Thats exactly the point.. You will never hear any protest from an active duty military personnel b/c it is ILLEGAL for them to do so. They will face criminal charges, be dishonerably discharged, face possible prison, lose their pension and VA benefits. However the # of returnees who retire have come back and voiced their disgust with this war in great numbers. [QUOTE]3) I believe that the vast majority of soldiers do believe in the mission the reenlistment rates are impressive[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] Again this is an illogical conclusion. Peple re-enlist for a number of reasons. Re-enlistment was low and the military had to offer financial incentives . A recent anonymous poll of over 1000 military personell (previously posted) showed an overwhelming # feel we need to get out of Iraq within the next 12 months and a narrow majority feel we should never have gone there to start. I dont know where you come up with your info.

05-26-2006, 05:06 PM	#28
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=kennyo7] blah [/QUOTE] Your service was long ago. Nothing to do with the soldiers of today. Many were disgusted, and rightfully so with 9/11 and know the ummah , or any other enemy that emerges needs to be taken down and out Thats how a native American who is not Euro/UN Centric or a bogus "independent" or moral relativist feels They reenlist in large #s, but if they do it for the wrong reasons, thats their problem. And if they dont expect to fight, theyre in the wrong profession-what can I tell you

05-26-2006, 06:28 PM	#29
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,907	[QUOTE=Kotch]Murtha gets his info from the high-ups in command, they send stuff through him that they can't get throught the DoD. Basically, as a former Marine and DI, they can use him as a mouthpiece to vent their concerns that otherwise wouldn't get through the politics of the DoD. Guys like John Warner are the same way in the Senate, or Sy Hersh in the papers. Let's keep our eye on the ball here. The only reason that this story is out there is because other Marines saw the atrocity, the killing of innocent civilian children, and decided to report it. Slaughtering civilians isn't what the Marines are about, Murtha knows it, and the Marines who reported this know it. Those responsible for doing this should be held accountable, and promptly court martialed. This is the United States Marine Corps, NOT the SS. We don't slaughter children and get away with it.[/QUOTE] Don't give me this former Marine garbage - anyone giving Murtha information knows exactly who they're giving it to and how they want it to play out. You'll have us believe his old drill sergeant is telling us this at the VFW? Leaks like that are much more effective through Murtha than through, say, Jerold Nadler or Barney Frank. (two fine Democratic specimens, imho) By the book, armed forces take care of the business of discipline where and whenever possible outside of politics - it's always been that way, or supposed to be. This separation also helps prevent generals stomping around DC leading coup d'etats, too, btw.

05-26-2006, 06:49 PM	#30
Jetsin2004 Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 460	Just Amazing, now that Bush has planted the seeds for hundreds and thousands of future terrorists,, the Bushys are going to say SEE They attack us for no reason! If Clinton had bombed Osama none of this would have happened!

05-26-2006, 06:56 PM	#31
bman All League Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,941	whether you are pro bush, pro iraq war or not...there is no defending the murder of innocent people.... .. you know what the real problem is in the world? There's toooooo many goddamn guns.

05-26-2006, 07:04 PM	#32
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=bman] .. you know what the real problem is in the world? There's toooooo many goddamn guns.[/QUOTE] LOL

05-26-2006, 07:09 PM	#33
bman All League Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,941	honestly..rugby matches or fist fights should determine world conflicts..whoever invented gun powder is an A-Hole... And people here talk about GOD...70% of the earth is water... none of those species in that water use guns! Perhaps they were created in gods image!

05-26-2006, 07:59 PM	#35
Jetsin2004 Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 460	[QUOTE=bman]honestly..rugby matches or fist fights should determine world conflicts..whoever invented gun powder is an A-Hole... And people here talk about GOD...70% of the earth is water... none of those species in that water use guns! Perhaps they were created in gods image![/QUOTE] The funny thing is most people who love god also love their guns... And things like fist fights and rugby mathches would never happen because the soldiers would begin fighting and then realize WTF they are fighting for then stop and go get a beer,, while AHOLE world Leaders like Osama Bin Laden, George W Bush and Saddam Hussein let the little people do the fighting and sit back on there high horse and collect the profits and watch there little experiments(with Curiousity)... The Big leaders need guns and bombs because it dehumanizes the people to shoot a target from thousands of feet away, if people had to go face to face the soldiers would get tired faster and realize the people they were fighting were just like them(then their hatred would turn towards the leaders who told them to fight)..

05-26-2006, 08:47 PM	#36
Jet Moses Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,281	[QUOTE=Jetsin2004]The funny thing is most people who love god also love their guns... [/QUOTE] The funny thing is, you're a retard.

05-26-2006, 08:59 PM	#37
Jetsin2004 Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 460	[QUOTE=Jet Moses]The funny thing is, you're a retard.[/QUOTE] aww poor sheeple what do you love more sheepie,, Jesus or your smith and wesson say bahhhh bushhhh f----g idiot...

05-26-2006, 09:01 PM	#38
Jetsin2004 Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 460	great pearl jam lyrics Got a gun, fact I got two Thats o.k. man, cuz I love god Glorified version of a pellet gun Feels so manly, when armed Little gun loving cowards need there guns to feel like men f----g pu$$ies...

05-26-2006, 09:11 PM	#40
Jetsin2004 Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 460	awww we got a little closet homo who needs his gun to feel like a man f----g pu$$y go shoot yourself with it you coward It sucks when I blast you for what you are doesnt it? Coward... and stop trying to ki$$ a$$ you republican sniveling little girl,, god you are pathetic