Billy Wagner = Doug Brien

langnba · 06-21-2006, 10:12 PM

Wagner will cost the Mets just like Brien cost the Jets. Take it to the bank.

RMJK · 06-21-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by langnba

Wagner will cost the Mets just like Brien cost the Jets. Take it to the bank.

It's those fvckin walks that kill you.

RMJK · 06-22-2006, 02:35 PM

It would be nice if a closer would have more than 1 pitch a fast ball.

Piper · 06-22-2006, 02:37 PM

He's John Franco (the bad years)...

Icer · 06-22-2006, 05:08 PM

Reminds me more of Looper than Franco

FloridaJet · 06-22-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by langnba

Wagner will cost the Mets just like Brien cost the Jets. Take it to the bank.

Who are you?? A pat fan in disguise??

neckdemon · 06-22-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RMJK

It would be nice if a closer would have more than 1 pitch a fast ball.

he's got a 99 mph fastball and a wicked slider. it's really all you need to be a one inning pitcher.

Piper · 06-22-2006, 06:54 PM

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he's got a 99 mph fastball and a wicked slider. it's really all you need to be a one inning pitcher.

All he needs is some guts now...

BrooklynBound · 06-22-2006, 07:10 PM

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he's got a 99 mph fastball and a wicked slider. it's really all you need to be a one inning pitcher.

and he can't control either one very much right now... what he really needs is a changeup

WWalker85 · 06-22-2006, 07:30 PM

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he's got a 99 mph fastball and a wicked slider. it's really all you need to be a one inning pitcher.

For once I agree with you neck. He does have 2 good pitches. He is a very good closer. Yes, he's going to blow some saves, no one is automatic. Met fans don't despair, he will be fine. $40M doesn't mean he'll never blow saves.

comparing him in any way to Looper is absolutely ridiculous.

BrooklynBound · 06-22-2006, 09:03 PM

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For once I agree with you neck. He does have 2 good pitches. He is a very good closer. Yes, he's going to blow some saves, no one is automatic. Met fans don't despair, he will be fine. $40M doesn't mean he'll never blow saves.

comparing him in any way to Looper is absolutely ridiculous.

4 blown saves. 4!

WWalker85 · 06-22-2006, 09:44 PM

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and he can't control either one very much right now... what he really needs is a changeup

He doesn't need a changeup. He just needs better command of those 2 pitches. Could be mechanics. If you throw 99MPH and have a wicked 84MPH slider, you don't need anything else.

Reminds me of Randy Johnson, except Randy doesn't have the velocity anymore, and the slider lost some break. 99MPH you can make mistakes and blow it by people. 93MPH and you are going to need a neck brace from watching HRs.....

BrooklynBound · 06-22-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WWalker85

He doesn't need a changeup. He just needs better command of those 2 pitches. Could be mechanics. If you throw 99MPH and have a wicked 84MPH slider, you don't need anything else.

Reminds me of Randy Johnson, except Randy doesn't have the velocity anymore, and the slider lost some break. 99MPH you can make mistakes and blow it by people. 93MPH and you are going to need a neck brace from watching HRs.....

When your fastball is straight as an arrow, you could use a changeup. He's given up runs in 6 of 32 appearances. He's on pace for more BS than Looper. He hasn't been good in clutch situations either.

WWalker85 · 06-22-2006, 10:00 PM

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When your fastball is straight as an arrow, you could use a changeup. He's given up runs in 6 of 32 appearances. He's on pace for more BS than Looper. He hasn't been good in clutch situations either.

A changeup wouldn't hurt, but he shouldn't need it. I've seen a few of his saves, he is awesome when he hits his spots and mixes in the slider. Batters look stupid against him when he has control He gets in trouble when he gets wild and has to throw the fastball down the middle.

I have heard he isn't good in clutch situations, but I have no stats to base that on. Heard Mike/Maddog say it today.

In any event, don't give up on him just yet, I think he'll be fine. Not easy pitching in this town.

IM3 · 06-22-2006, 10:28 PM

Every situation that Wags pitches in is a clutch situation.

His two pitches have worked his whole career. He just needs to et the FB over. No team can string together 3/4 hits off of him in a row his stuff is too good. He just needs to throw it over the plate. He'll be fine.

WWalker85 · 06-22-2006, 10:50 PM

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Every situation that Wags pitches in is a clutch situation.

His two pitches have worked his whole career. He just needs to et the FB over. No team can string together 3/4 hits off of him in a row his stuff is too good. He just needs to throw it over the plate. He'll be fine.

Me and Ikey agree. Write it down.

And by big situations we're talking playoffs - again, this is info I got from our buddies on the fan, not sure what his playoff record is....

IM3 · 06-22-2006, 11:11 PM

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Me and Ikey agree. Write it down.

And by big situations we're talking playoffs - again, this is info I got from our buddies on the fan, not sure what his playoff record is....

4 games isn't enough sample size to come to any conclusion.

WWalker85 · 06-22-2006, 11:53 PM

If he appeared in 4 playoff games and blew 4 saves, I'd have a hard time saying he was good in big spots.

IM3 · 06-23-2006, 12:00 AM

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If he appeared in 4 playoff games and blew 4 saves, I'd have a hard time saying he was good in big spots.

But he didn't.

WWalker85 · 06-23-2006, 12:02 AM

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But he didn't.

stop holding out - what is his post-season record? what were Mike/Dog talking about. I honestly don't know and am too lazy to research....

06-21-2006, 10:12 PM	#1
langnba Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 346	Billy Wagner = Doug Brien Wagner will cost the Mets just like Brien cost the Jets. Take it to the bank.

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RMJK Think outside the box. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Warwick, New York Posts: 15,818	It would be nice if a closer would have more than 1 pitch a fast ball.

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Piper Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: L.I. NY (where the Jets used to be from) Posts: 13,197	He's John Franco (the bad years)...

06-22-2006, 05:08 PM	#5
Icer All League Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 3,147	Reminds me more of Looper than Franco

06-22-2006, 10:28 PM	#15
IM3 SMH Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,491	Every situation that Wags pitches in is a clutch situation. His two pitches have worked his whole career. He just needs to et the FB over. No team can string together 3/4 hits off of him in a row his stuff is too good. He just needs to throw it over the plate. He'll be fine.

06-22-2006, 11:53 PM	#18
WWalker85 All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellmore, NY Posts: 663	If he appeared in 4 playoff games and blew 4 saves, I'd have a hard time saying he was good in big spots.