This One's On Willie

JumbalayaJet · 07-20-2006, 12:48 AM

After the delay, Traschel squeaked out of a jam in the 3rd. You have to have the hook READY. At least 2 arms should have been warmed up.

Reyes gets credit also for not taking the sure 2nd out.

RMJK · 07-20-2006, 08:26 AM

Man, I can't believe they blew that 4-0 lead after 4. I agree Tracshel was shaky from the getgo. He should have pulled the hook sooner.

Braves lost to St. Louis.

Piper · 07-20-2006, 08:38 AM

Willie is a horror show when it comes to managing pitchers...

WesWalker85 · 07-20-2006, 08:55 AM

I know it is still early but does anyone know what the magic number is?

EY · 07-20-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Piper

Willie is a horror show when it comes to managing pitchers...

make that back to back days.

JeffWeaverFan · 07-20-2006, 04:43 PM

I didn't see last nights game so I can't comment, but I had a problem with the way he managed the 9th inning of today's win. In the bottom of the 9th, he decided to go with Feliciano, saving Wagner for the save. Now, this worked out as Feliciano got out of the jam (with help from that 2B ump), but why do managers feel the need to save their best pitcher (their closer) for a save that might not ever happen? Wagner should have been in the game in that 9th inning.

Think about it logically. Would you rather the other team scored when the game is tied in the bottom of the 9th or would you rather the other team sscored in a save situation in extras? It just makes no sense. Torre used to do this all the time (2003 WS he put Weaver, who hadn't pitched in 3 weeks, instead of Rivera... Might have cost us the WS). After doing it once in the beginning of this season with Proctor, he realized how dumb he was and stopped and started bringing in Mo in those spots with great success. In fact, I believe the only time it didn't work was against the Mets when Wright got the double off Mo.

EY · 07-20-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

I didn't see last nights game so I can't comment, but I had a problem with the way he managed the 9th inning of today's win. In the bottom of the 9th, he decided to go with Feliciano, saving Wagner for the save. Now, this worked out as Feliciano got out of the jam (with help from that 2B ump), but why do managers feel the need to save their best pitcher (their closer) for a save that might not ever happen? Wagner should have been in the game in that 9th inning.

Think about it logically. Would you rather the other team scored when the game is tied in the bottom of the 9th or would you rather the other team sscored in a save situation in extras? It just makes no sense. Torre used to do this all the time (2003 WS he put Weaver, who hadn't pitched in 3 weeks, instead of Rivera... Might have cost us the WS). After doing it once in the beginning of this season with Proctor, he realized how dumb he was and stopped and started bringing in Mo in those spots with great success. In fact, I believe the only time it didn't work was against the Mets when Wright got the double off Mo.

I was talking about how he managed glavine. They got out of the 6 through devine intervention, then they kept glavine in for the 7th, stupid move. He loads the bases almost instantly. Fortunately Bradford got them out of trouble, no harm, but definitely foul.

JetBidi · 07-22-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Piper

Willie is a horror show when it comes to managing pitchers...

Agreed. He'a an absolute nightmare in this aspect of the game. He does not know how to manage pitchers whatsoever.

He talks about "having faith and confidence in his guys" but takes it WAY TOO FAR !! He sees pitchers laboring, buy continues to send them out there. Scary to watch.

Also, for an NL manager, he doesn't hit and run much and NEVER has he called for a suicide squeeze (enough though the Mets lineup is oe of the fastest ones out there).

He also doesn't argue enough. He goes up to the ump and says something like "Are you sure?" and then walks away slightly shaking his head. I want to see him get more into it (not to the point of getting tossed all the time, but some competitive FIRE would be nice to see.

JumbalayaJet · 07-24-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Piper

Willie is a horror show when it comes to managing pitchers...

I'll put another one on Willie. How can you possibly bring Heath Bell into any game that's winable? Criminal!

neckdemon · 07-25-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JumbalayaJet

I'll put another one on Willie. How can you possibly bring Heath Bell into any game that's winable? Criminal!

not to mention the fact that trachsel shoudl have been out of there about 3 batters earlier.

07-20-2006, 12:48 AM	#1
JumbalayaJet done with NMS Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 14,869	This One's On Willie After the delay, Traschel squeaked out of a jam in the 3rd. You have to have the hook READY. At least 2 arms should have been warmed up. Reyes gets credit also for not taking the sure 2nd out.

07-20-2006, 08:26 AM	#2
RMJK Think outside the box. Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Warwick, New York Posts: 15,785	Man, I can't believe they blew that 4-0 lead after 4. I agree Tracshel was shaky from the getgo. He should have pulled the hook sooner. Braves lost to St. Louis.

07-20-2006, 08:38 AM	#3
Piper Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: L.I. NY (where the Jets used to be from) Posts: 13,197	Willie is a horror show when it comes to managing pitchers...

07-20-2006, 08:55 AM	#4
WesWalker85 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 92	I know it is still early but does anyone know what the magic number is?

07-20-2006, 04:43 PM	#6
JeffWeaverFan All Pro Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,484	I didn't see last nights game so I can't comment, but I had a problem with the way he managed the 9th inning of today's win. In the bottom of the 9th, he decided to go with Feliciano, saving Wagner for the save. Now, this worked out as Feliciano got out of the jam (with help from that 2B ump), but why do managers feel the need to save their best pitcher (their closer) for a save that might not ever happen? Wagner should have been in the game in that 9th inning. Think about it logically. Would you rather the other team scored when the game is tied in the bottom of the 9th or would you rather the other team sscored in a save situation in extras? It just makes no sense. Torre used to do this all the time (2003 WS he put Weaver, who hadn't pitched in 3 weeks, instead of Rivera... Might have cost us the WS). After doing it once in the beginning of this season with Proctor, he realized how dumb he was and stopped and started bringing in Mo in those spots with great success. In fact, I believe the only time it didn't work was against the Mets when Wright got the double off Mo.