Suicide Bomb Teams Sent To U.S., Europe

[DeanPatsFan]

[url]http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html[/url]

[quote]Exclusive: Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

June 18, 2007 4:45 PM

Brian Ross Reports:

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.


The tape shows Taliban military commander Mansoor Dadullah, whose brother was killed by the U.S. last month, introducing and congratulating each team as they stood.

"These Americans, Canadians, British and Germans come here to Afghanistan from faraway places," Dadullah says on the tape. "Why shouldn't we go after them?"

The leader of the team assigned to attack Great Britain spoke in English.

"So let me say something about why we are going, along with my team, for a suicide attack in Britain," he said. "Whether my colleagues, companions and Muslim brothers die today or tonight, every drop of our blood will invigorate the Muslim (unintelligible)."

Video: Watch the Taliban's 'Graduation' Ceremony

U.S. intelligence officials described the event as another example of "an aggressive and sophisticated propaganda campaign."

Others take it very seriously.

"It doesn't take too many who are willing to actually do it and be able to slip through the net and get into the United States or England and cause a lot of damage," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism official.[/quote]

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[JetFanTransplant]

[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan][url]http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html[/url]



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Ok, so you have a couple hundred Al Queda "graduates" all gathering in one spot, with Al Queda trainers and senior azzholes.

The only one outside of their organization that knows anything about this "graduation" is a single Paki journalist.

A) How is it NOT possible that the global intelligence agencies not know about this. :mad:

B) Why the hell wasn't a Daisy Cutter dropped right in the middle of it? :cool:

[nuu faaola]

[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan][url]http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html[/url]



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But we're fighting them over there so they can't come over here, right?

[PlumberKhan]

[QUOTE=JetFanTransplant]A) How is it NOT possible that the global intelligence agencies not know about this. :mad: [/QUOTE]

Par for the course...

[QUOTE]B) Why the hell wasn't a Daisy Cutter dropped right in the middle of it? :cool: [/QUOTE]

Why aren't exhaust pipes on cars made out of stainless steel? Because it would put Midas out of business...

[JetFanTransplant]

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan]Why aren't exhaust pipes on cars made out of stainless steel? Because it would put Midas out of business...[/QUOTE]


I don't understand this comment. I would think dropping a bomb would be good for the military suppliers, no? Wouldn't it have to be replaced?

Maybe I missed your point.

I agree about the Midas thing though... Thats why I pulled all that crap outta my mustang and used headers with straight pipes out the back. :P

[JetsFan2012]

Jeez, that's scary. I'm going to have to agree with the intelligence comment. Unless we had some covert ops in attendance. Hey, you never know.

[PlumberKhan]

[QUOTE=JetFanTransplant]I don't understand this comment. I would think dropping a bomb would be good for the military suppliers, no? Wouldn't it have to be replaced?[/QUOTE]

True...but wouldnt it be better to let the "graduates" disperse so that you have to use more than one bomb to kill them?

These terrorist graduated in Pakistan, right? But we occupy Afghanistan and Iraq...not Pakistan. Now, I know we have a friend in Musharraf...but the dude seems to be doing a lousy job at eliminating the Al Qaeda threat in his country. Does Pakistan lack the military intelligence to notice a suicide bomber graduation ceremony in its own country? Does Pakistan lack the armament to kill them off?

[Buster]

Was there a trained suicide bomber prom?

[MnJetFan]

Oh come on now; Islam is a religion of peace! Mohammed was a peaceful man!

[JetsFan2012]

[QUOTE=Buster]Was there a trained suicide bomber prom?[/QUOTE]


No, but I heard the homecoming game between the Suicide Bombers and the Jew Slanderers ended in a real bang.

[DeanPatsFan]

[QUOTE=nuu faaola]But we're fighting them over there so they can't come over here, right?[/QUOTE]


[url]http://northshorejournal.org/index.php/terrorist-death-watch/[/url]

[BrooklynBound]

This is disturbing but far from surprising. The sad thing is, we can't stop them all. They're going to hit us and it's not going to be pretty.

[nuu faaola]

[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan][url]http://northshorejournal.org/index.php/terrorist-death-watch/[/url][/QUOTE]

Nice site, but useless, because it doesn't measure how many of those "terrorists" were terrorists before we invaded, nor does it mention how many new terrorists we are creating in the process, as many studies show our attempts to kill terrorists are creating many new terrorists, both in the countries we are invading and in other parts of the world.

The Iraq debacle has been the greatest recruiting poster in the history of international terrorism.

[MnJetFan]

Come on Nuu they dont need excuses.

[nuu faaola]

[QUOTE=nuu faaola]Nice site, but useless, because it doesn't measure how many of those "terrorists" were terrorists before we invaded, nor does it mention how many new terrorists we are creating in the process, as many studies show our attempts to kill terrorists are creating many new terrorists, both in the countries we are invading and in other parts of the world.

The Iraq debacle has been the greatest recruiting poster in the history of international terrorism.[/QUOTE]

Case in point:

[url]http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0718/dailyUpdate.html[/url]

Studies: War radicalized most foreign fighters in Iraq
Saudi and Israeli studies show that most foreign fighters were not terrorists before Iraq war.

By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

[B]Two new studies, one by the Saudi government and one by an Israeli think tank, which "painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States" have found that most foreign fighters in Iraq were not terrorists before the Iraq war, but were "radicalized by the war itself." [/B]

The Boston Globe reported on Sunday that the studies " cast doubt" on claims by President Bush that terrorists have "seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the 'central front' in a battle against the United States."

However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured while trying to sneak into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who blew themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding the calls from clerics and activists to drive infidels out of Arab land, according to a study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid, a US-trained analyst who was commissioned by the Saudi government and given access to Saudi officials and intelligence.

[B]A separate Israeli analysis [by Global Research in International Affairs] of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a leading terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some senior Al Qaeda operatives who are organizing the volunteers, 'the vast majority of [non-Iraqi] Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq.' [/B]

The Globe also reports that American intelligence officials and terrorism experts have a very similar picture of these fighters: that prior to the Iraq war, they were not extremists who wanted to attack the US in an Al Qaeda-like manner, but "are part of a new generation of terrorists responding to calls to defend their fellow Muslims from 'crusaders and 'infidels.' "

'The president is right that Iraq is a main front in the war on terrorism, but this is a front we created,' said Peter Bergen, a terrorism specialist at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, a Washington think tank.

Columnist Terry Neal of The Washington Post, talked to Stephen Flynn, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a former US Coast Guard commander, whose recent book, as well as his articles in the Council's journal Foreign Affairs, argue that Iraq is a "phony war" based on Mr. Bush assertions' that we have to fight the terrorists there rather than here.
Mr. Flynn believes that by diverting so many resources to the war in Iraq, we've not only helped to create more terrorists, but that "America remains astonishingly vulnerable to attacks from Al Qaeda, which has morphed under Bush's watch, from an organization to a worldwide movement ..." He says the recent attacks in London show how patient Al Qaeda has become, using the three cell approach: The first cell is the leadership cell, the second cell is the reconnaissance team, and the third is the 'action' team.

Iraq has not changed that equation one bit, Flynn argues. It has only diverted resources from the more pragmatic approach of targeting and hunting down terrorists around the world and, even more important, bolstering domestic security ... The US administration and its hawks are stuck in a 'state-centric perspective, cold war idea that deterrence is about overwhelming power and offense. But that has nothing to do with the overwhelming reality of this threat.'

In the United Kingdom, The Belfast Telegram reports that the respected Royal Institute of International Affairs, known as Chatham House, and the Economic and Social Research Council, have said that British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan "have put Britain at a greater risk of attack." The Chatham House report, issued Monday, also said that Britain's support for the US did not create an equal partnership, but instead turned Britain into a "passenger compelled to leave the steering to the ally in the driving seat".

Chatham House warned that Iraq had created difficulties for the UK and the coalition. 'It gave a boost to the Al Qaeda network's propaganda, recruitment and fundraising, caused a major split in the coalition, provided an ideal targeting and training area for Al Qaeda-linked terrorists, and deflected resources that could have been deployed to assist the Karzai government [in Afghanistan] and bring bin Laden to justice,' it said.

Both British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw reacted strongly to the report by Chatham House. The Guardian reports that Mr. Blair said the recent attack on London was the result of fanatics who subscribed to an " evil ideology" rather than opposition to any policy and that it would be " 'misunderstanding of a catastrophic' order to think that if we changed our behavior they would change theirs."

Mr. Straw also denied that Britain's support for the US made it more of a target for terrorists. "I'm astonished that Chatham House is now saying that we should not have stood shoulder to shoulder with our long-standing allies in the United States," he said.

[parafly]

This is disturbing news, but not surprising at all. Operations like this likely take place much more often than the public is lead to believe.

However, there are a few flaws in their plan. How will these suicide bombers get into the country? How will the suicide bombers obtain bombs for their missions? Gathering and planning are one thing, actually executing the plan and going undetected are quite another.

This news is perfect evidence that we are not fighting our true enemies. Our resources would be much better spent protecting our nation domestically and taking out militant groups around the world instead of policing a civil war. In the last three public terror plots against the US (Fort Dix, JFK, suicide bombers), our enemies came from Yugoslavia, Jordan, Turkey, Guyana, Trinidad, and Pakistan. Notice how Iraq, Iran, and North Korea (Axis of Evil) have nothing to do with any of those plots. I guess our enemies never got the memo that they are not allowed to "follow us home" before we leave Iraq.

[nuu faaola]

[QUOTE=parafly]This is disturbing news, but not surprising at all. Operations like this likely take place much more often than the public is lead to believe.

However, there are a few flaws in their plan. How will these suicide bombers get into the country? How will the suicide bombers obtain bombs for their missions? Gathering and planning are one thing, actually executing the plan and going undetected are quite another.

This news is perfect evidence that we are not fighting our true enemies. Our resources would be much better spent protecting our nation domestically and taking out militant groups around the world instead of policing a civil war. In the last three public terror plots against the US (Fort Dix, JFK, suicide bombers), our enemies came from Yugoslavia, Jordan, Turkey, Guyana, Trinidad, and Pakistan. Notice how Iraq, Iran, and North Korea (Axis of Evil) have nothing to do with any of those plots. I guess our enemies never got the memo that they are not allowed to "follow us home" before we leave Iraq.[/QUOTE]

Exactly right.

The only relevance of Iraq to the global terror war is that we've created a failed state that, if we're not creful, could turn into a new Afghanistan, a terrorist training ground (it is becoming this already).

Our presence there does not make us any safer here.

What would make us safer is a real effort to secure our ports and borders, as the 9/11 commission suggested, but neither seems to be in the cards.

[chicadeel]

A Taliban Graduation Ceremony. What a joke. What classes did they have to take, bomb making and monkey bars?



This should be announced as loudly and as often as possible.

If we are attacked by suicide bombers whoever did the bombing or was involved in the remotest fashion will be killed, and that includes your families. So don't figure on spending any of the money you think you will be getting. Unless it is for burial fees.

[PlumberKhan]

[QUOTE=chicadeel]If we are attacked by suicide bombers whoever did the bombing or was involved in the remotest fashion will be killed, and [B]that includes your families[/B]...[/QUOTE]


Even babies? Kill the terrorist babies before the get a chance to grow up and blow up?

[chicadeel]

Yup, even babies........and.....Grandmas