Joe Torre will be back

LockeJET · 10-19-2007, 02:39 PM

Maybe not this year, next or the year after but Joe Torre hasn't coached his last game as a Yankee..

Im not basing this on anything but my gut feeling.. But he will be back..

George Steinbrenner for a long time had been the face of the New York Yankees but over the last 12 years its face has been Joe Torre.. And it will become very obvious as next season moves on.

Unless the new coach wins and wins early(has to win a world series) they will never be accepted.. The fans, media and players will be calling for Torre if the new guy doesnt bring a title back in his 1st or 2nd season..

Joe will coach somehwere else.. But his last job will be as a New York Yankee..Bank on it! I know hes getting old but old men can coach baseball..

Im not even a Yankee fan so this isn't my heart speaking.

I think its smart that he takes a few years off from NY. He was perfect in NY, made for it. A change was needed I agree, and in time management will regret not giving him a better deal..

Joe will be back in pinstripes.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 02:50 PM

No he won't. He's killed his last Yankee bullpen arm this year.

Tyler Durden · 10-19-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

No he won't. He's killed his last Yankee bullpen arm this year.

You are ****ing pathetic.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

You are ****ing pathetic.

Because I can realize that Joe Torre is no longer the right man for the job and because he overuses pen? If you can't see that he is a horrible bullpen manager, then you would be the pathetic one.

Tyler Durden · 10-19-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

Because I can realize that Joe Torre is no longer the right man for the job and because he overuses pen? If you can't see that he is a horrible bullpen manager, then you would be the pathetic one.

You are so ungrateful. Typical ****ing Yankee fan.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

You are so ungrateful. Typical ****ing Yankee fan.

Ungrateful? How so? The guy did a great job for a number of years and a change was needed. You disagree, but it seems your best reasoning is because Joe deserves better.

Tyler Durden · 10-19-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

Ungrateful? How so? The guy did a great job for a number of years and a change was needed. You disagree, but it seems your best reasoning is because Joe deserves better.

I'm not arguing about a change being made. I am arguing about why this team had to slap him on the face on the way out.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

I'm not arguing about a change being made. I am arguing about why this team had to slap him on the face on the way out.

No, actually before this you were arguing that Torre should still be the manager.

nyahay bus · 10-19-2007, 03:11 PM

Don't think so. He wants nothing to do with Randy Levine and the sons.

Tyler Durden · 10-19-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

No, actually before this you were arguing that Torre should still be the manager.

I've let it know that I wanted Torre to be back, but that is not why I'm pissed.

JetPotato · 10-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Sean, I'm surprised at you because you've been one of the more level headed people in this forum that I've read.

This was no slap in the face. The Yankees are doing and have done what they think is the right thing for this franchise at this juncture. Their job is to put the best possible team and coaches on the field. The decision was made to give Joe one more opportunity to win it all, and if he turned down that opportunity, then it was time to move on.

I agree with that decision, as I think Joe's time has past. His personality fit the team of the late 90's. This team moving forward is one that will be built around young pitching, and we have all seen how he handles a staff.

Joe had a GREAT run. The Yankees and their fans appreciate what he did. But all good things end at some point, and it was clearly time for a change.

Tyler Durden · 10-19-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guido Monzino

Sean, I'm surprised at you because you've been one of the more level headed people in this forum that I've read.

This was no slap in the face. The Yankees are doing and have done what they think is the right thing for this franchise at this juncture. Their job is to put the best possible team and coaches on the field. The decision was made to give Joe one more opportunity to win it all, and if he turned down that opportunity, then it was time to move on.

I agree with that decision, as I think Joe's time has past. His personality fit the team of the late 90's. This team moving forward is one that will be built around young pitching, and we have all seen how he handles a staff.

Joe had a GREAT run. The Yankees and their fans appreciate what he did. But all good things end at some point, and it was clearly time for a change.

They didn't want him back, they knew damn well he had to turn down that offer.

If they had any guts or class they would have came right out with it and told Joe they have decided not to bring him back as manager.

I would have been happy with that but to slap him in the face and make him beg for his job after what he has done for this franchise? Pathetic.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

They didn't want him back, they knew damn well he had to turn down that offer.

If they had any guts or class they would have came right out with it and told Joe they have decided not to bring him back as manager.

I would have been happy with that but to slap him in the face and make him beg for his job after what he has done for this franchise? Pathetic.

Given that Torre told Cashman he wasn't sure if he was going to turn down or accept the offer, I don't think so.

IMO, the Yankees brass was thinking that the team probably needed a new voice, but wasn't sure if this was the time to make the change based on the FA's. So they decided they would give him 1 more year at a good amount of money, and if he got to the WS, he would get another $8M for the following season. In the end they figured either he would accept and come back for 1 more season, and if he doesn't get to the WS he'd be gone, or he wouldn't accept. Personally, I think they kind of hoped he would take the job for the year as it would give Mattingly another year before becoming the manager and also give them a better shot at signing their FA's, but were not willing to guarantee Joe another $7M for 2009 if he lost in the ALDS again.

And Joe never begged for his job. In fact, he was offered the job at pretty much $6M for next year (if he believes the team would make the playoffs for a 13th straight year). If he really wanted it, he could have taken it. He said himself that he wasn't sure if he would take that or not while on the plane.

TKasper01 · 10-19-2007, 03:58 PM

The guy is 67 years old. I think he retires into the sunset. Maybe does some ad hoc Tv stuff next year and the talk show/corp circuit but that's about it.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TKasper01

The guy is 67 years old. I think he retires into the sunset. Maybe does some ad hoc Tv stuff next year and the talk show/corp circuit but that's about it.

I disagree there. The guy definitely still wants to coach, and there will be a market for him.

Tyler Durden · 10-19-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TKasper01

The guy is 67 years old. I think he retires into the sunset. Maybe does some ad hoc Tv stuff next year and the talk show/corp circuit but that's about it.

The Yankee brass all but made that impossible.

JeffWeaverFan · 10-19-2007, 04:20 PM

Michael Kay just said that he talked to a lot of people within the Yankee organization and they all not only thought Torre would accept the 1 year deal, but they wanted him to accept it. It sounds legit to me. They wanted to give him 1 last chance, but if he failed to get out of the ALDS again next year, they didn't want to be on the hook for around $6M for 2009.

JetPotato · 10-19-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

Given that Torre told Cashman he wasn't sure if he was going to turn down or accept the offer, I don't think so.

IMO, the Yankees brass was thinking that the team probably needed a new voice, but wasn't sure if this was the time to make the change based on the FA's. So they decided they would give him 1 more year at a good amount of money, and if he got to the WS, he would get another $8M for the following season. In the end they figured either he would accept and come back for 1 more season, and if he doesn't get to the WS he'd be gone, or he wouldn't accept. Personally, I think they kind of hoped he would take the job for the year as it would give Mattingly another year before becoming the manager and also give them a better shot at signing their FA's, but were not willing to guarantee Joe another $7M for 2009 if he lost in the ALDS again.

And Joe never begged for his job. In fact, he was offered the job at pretty much $6M for next year (if he believes the team would make the playoffs for a 13th straight year). If he really wanted it, he could have taken it. He said himself that he wasn't sure if he would take that or not while on the plane.

I agree with you 100%, JWF. I believe they made the decision to bring him back for 1 more year, but only under the conditions of this very fair offer. They gave Joe the opportunity to take it, he could not agree to those terms. That's fair on both ends. Once he said no, no negotiation could occur.

Joe W. Namath · 10-19-2007, 04:44 PM

Torre turned into the Marty Schottenheimer of baseball.
When the Yanks win the World Series next year, people will say they should have gotten rid of Torre sooner.

You did go Joe, but it was time to go.

Ven0m · 10-19-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

Given that Torre told Cashman he wasn't sure if he was going to turn down or accept the offer, I don't think so.

Maybe we intrepreted it differently, but my understanding was that Torre told Cashman he wasn't sure if he was going to be back, but it was pretty much known that unless the Yankees improved their offer that he wouldn't be.

10-19-2007, 02:39 PM	#1
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,960	Joe Torre will be back Maybe not this year, next or the year after but Joe Torre hasn't coached his last game as a Yankee.. Im not basing this on anything but my gut feeling.. But he will be back.. George Steinbrenner for a long time had been the face of the New York Yankees but over the last 12 years its face has been Joe Torre.. And it will become very obvious as next season moves on. Unless the new coach wins and wins early(has to win a world series) they will never be accepted.. The fans, media and players will be calling for Torre if the new guy doesnt bring a title back in his 1st or 2nd season.. Joe will coach somehwere else.. But his last job will be as a New York Yankee..Bank on it! I know hes getting old but old men can coach baseball.. Im not even a Yankee fan so this isn't my heart speaking. I think its smart that he takes a few years off from NY. He was perfect in NY, made for it. A change was needed I agree, and in time management will regret not giving him a better deal.. Joe will be back in pinstripes. Last edited by LockeJET; 10-19-2007 at 05:00 PM.

10-19-2007, 02:50 PM	#2
JeffWeaverFan All Pro Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,484	No he won't. He's killed his last Yankee bullpen arm this year.

10-19-2007, 03:11 PM	#9
nyahay bus said it before: a dearth of playoff appearances in the next few years. Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,365	Don't think so. He wants nothing to do with Randy Levine and the sons.

10-19-2007, 03:30 PM	#11
JetPotato fermenting Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 12,141	Sean, I'm surprised at you because you've been one of the more level headed people in this forum that I've read. This was no slap in the face. The Yankees are doing and have done what they think is the right thing for this franchise at this juncture. Their job is to put the best possible team and coaches on the field. The decision was made to give Joe one more opportunity to win it all, and if he turned down that opportunity, then it was time to move on. I agree with that decision, as I think Joe's time has past. His personality fit the team of the late 90's. This team moving forward is one that will be built around young pitching, and we have all seen how he handles a staff. Joe had a GREAT run. The Yankees and their fans appreciate what he did. But all good things end at some point, and it was clearly time for a change.

10-19-2007, 03:58 PM	#14
TKasper01 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,872	The guy is 67 years old. I think he retires into the sunset. Maybe does some ad hoc Tv stuff next year and the talk show/corp circuit but that's about it.

10-19-2007, 04:20 PM	#17
JeffWeaverFan All Pro Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,484	Michael Kay just said that he talked to a lot of people within the Yankee organization and they all not only thought Torre would accept the 1 year deal, but they wanted him to accept it. It sounds legit to me. They wanted to give him 1 last chance, but if he failed to get out of the ALDS again next year, they didn't want to be on the hook for around $6M for 2009.

10-19-2007, 04:44 PM	#19
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,827	Torre turned into the Marty Schottenheimer of baseball. When the Yanks win the World Series next year, people will say they should have gotten rid of Torre sooner. You did go Joe, but it was time to go.