Corzine signs law ending death penalty

Come Back to NY · 12-17-2007, 10:08 PM

[QUOTE][B]New Jersey governor signs law ending death penalty
10 hours ago[/B]

NEW YORK (AFP) — New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine on Monday signed a law approved by lawmakers last week abolishing the death penalty in the northeastern US state.

Sunday the Democratic governor commuted the sentences of eight inmates, sentenced to death, to life in prison with no chance for parole.

"Today New Jersey evolves. This is a day of progress for us and for the millions of people across our nation and around the globe who reject the death penalty as a moral or practical response to the grievous, even heinous, crime of murder," Corzine said.

"I have been moved by the passionate views on both sides of this issue, and I firmly believe that replacing the death penalty with life in prison without parole best captures our State's highest values and reflects our best efforts to search for true justice," he said.

John Holdridge, the director of the ACLU's Capital Punishment Project, hailed the news as "a powerful message to the rest of the nation and the world that the death penalty is not only a grossly improper use of government power, but also the ultimate denial of civil liberties."

New Jersey became the first US state in four decades to vote to abolish the death penalty on Thursday when the Democratic-controlled state assembly passed the law by a vote of 44 to 36.

The state Senate had voted along the same lines the preceding Monday, and Corzine had repeatedly voiced support for the measure and vowed to sign it into law by January.

New Jersey was one of the states that reinstalled the death penalty after the US Supreme Court overturned an earlier ban in 1976, but it has observed a freeze on executions since 2005 along with nearly two dozen other states.

Iowa and West Virginia were the last states to vote to abolish executions in 1965. Executions are currently legal in 37 states.
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[url]http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2vpxphgyarO-e-Lgu3k25meXwlw[/url]

so let's see corzine; your ballot for $400-million plus to use the stem cells of murdered unborn babies goes up in smoke yet you'll let convicted murderers (for the most part) live....makes sense....

BrooklynBound · 12-17-2007, 10:10 PM

Good. Humans don't have the moral authority to end another's life. When 100% of our convictions are actually guilty, then I'll think about it. Death penalty cases cost more, anyway.

JetsFan2012 · 12-17-2007, 10:17 PM

You know what that means? I can now walk into a mall with an assault rifle, kill as many people that I can in cold blood, absolutely wreak [I]havoc[/I] on the place, maybe kill a few cops too, and at most I'll spend the rest of my life in a cell with three square meals a day.

JetsFan2012 · 12-17-2007, 10:19 PM

Ohh, Ohh, or I can go to an elementary school during recess and take out 100 kids.

Still, I would spend the rest of my life in a cell with 3 meals a day, and maybe a half hour for sunlight.

adb280z · 12-17-2007, 11:04 PM

The death penalty hasn't been used in NJ in 44 years. I'd stick these guys in a prison like the supermax and let them rot til they die.

Jetspennyfan · 12-17-2007, 11:22 PM

[QUOTE=pauliec;2272641]Ohh, Ohh, or I can go to an elementary school during recess and take out 100 kids.

Still, I would spend the rest of my life in a cell with 3 meals a day, and maybe a half hour for sunlight.[/QUOTE]

Come on Paulie try not to make generalizations, I don't support the death penalty but I know there are good arguements for it, as there are good arguements against it but saying things like this is just stupid.

Jetspennyfan · 12-17-2007, 11:23 PM

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2272615][url]http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2vpxphgyarO-e-Lgu3k25meXwlw[/url]

so let's see corzine; your ballot for $400-million plus to use the stem cells of murdered unborn babies goes up in smoke yet you'll let convicted murderers (for the most part) live....makes sense....[/QUOTE]

the stem cell studies can save COUNTLESS lives don't even try and create a parellel, because there is none.

nuu faaola · 12-17-2007, 11:51 PM

[QUOTE=pauliec;2272637]You know what that means? I can now walk into a mall with an assault rifle, kill as many people that I can in cold blood, absolutely wreak [I]havoc[/I] on the place, maybe kill a few cops too, and at most I'll spend the rest of my life in a cell with three square meals a day.[/QUOTE]

If you do this as a result of Corzine's move, I'll support the death penalty, too.

If you don't do it, it must mean more than the death penalty prevents people from killing others, I guess.

cr726 · 12-18-2007, 12:40 AM

You are forgetting you will def. become somone's b*tch. You wouldn't last more than a month in prison.

[QUOTE=pauliec;2272641]Ohh, Ohh, or I can go to an elementary school during recess and take out 100 kids.

Still, I would spend the rest of my life in a cell with 3 meals a day, and maybe a half hour for sunlight.[/QUOTE]

PlumberKhan · 12-18-2007, 07:17 AM

[QUOTE=pauliec;2272637]You know what that means? I can now walk into a mall with an assault rifle, kill as many people that I can in cold blood, absolutely wreak [I]havoc[/I] on the place, maybe kill a few cops too, and at most I'll spend the rest of my life in a cell with three square meals a day.[/QUOTE]

The threat of a death penalty would not prevent somebody bent on doing something like this from carrying it out. Thinking that the death penalty actual deters crime is a tad naive...

A criminal wouldn't say...I want to shoot up that school and kill lots of little kids! Oh wait....the death penalty. I have changed my evil ways. I will now go volunteer at a soup kitchen.

HDCentStOhio · 12-18-2007, 07:33 AM

[QUOTE=cr726;2272850]You are forgetting you will def. become somone's b*tch. You wouldn't last more than a month in prison.[/QUOTE]

Stop talking about your own fantasies on this board please.

12-18-2007, 08:21 AM

now only if he could sign a bill ending cold blooded murder

the guy who killed those kids in newark just got an xmas present
from corzine

this just in...anyone who is not the governor caught without
seat belts buckled gets a stiffer prison term than killas

12-18-2007, 08:23 AM

[quote=PlumberKhan;2272939]The threat of a death penalty would not prevent somebody bent on doing something like this from carrying it out. Thinking that the death penalty actual deters crime is a tad naive...

A criminal wouldn't say...I want to shoot up that school and kill lots of little kids! Oh wait....the death penalty. I have changed my evil ways. I will now go volunteer at a soup kitchen.[/quote]

i told you not to meet me at the corner of liberal and libertarian

that intersection's in a bad neighborhood

CanadaSteve · 12-18-2007, 09:33 AM

[QUOTE=Jetspennyfan;2272739]the stem cell studies can save COUNTLESS lives don't even try and create a parellel, because there is none.[/QUOTE]

Please.....

You think it is okay to commit murder in the name of freedom, yet a person can commit the most heinous crimes willfully, using nothing but their own freewill, but we should keep them alive and give them 3 meals a day, and in some cases a university education...

God, talk about hypocritical.

I wonder how you would spin this if it was your 5 year old daughter who was repeatedly raped, mutilated and her body was dumped off and left for dead, and the guy who did it didn't give a rats ass that he did, and would do it again if he could.

Perhaps then you would understand that if someone completely disregards the sanctity of human life, they aren't worth the air they breath.

OH WAIT A MINUTE!!!! I forgot....those that condone abortion don't highly regard the sanctity of human life...Why not screw as many people as you want without any consequence when you can use the old vacuum to suck em out...

AND WE WONDER WHY OUR KIDS ARE SCREWED UP.....

CanadaSteve · 12-18-2007, 09:38 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2272939]The threat of a death penalty would not prevent somebody bent on doing something like this from carrying it out. Thinking that the death penalty actual deters crime is a tad naive...

A criminal wouldn't say...I want to shoot up that school and kill lots of little kids! Oh wait....the death penalty. I have changed my evil ways. I will now go volunteer at a soup kitchen.[/QUOTE]

BS

It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the death penalty as a form of deterrence. We are talking about a form of PUNISHMENT. That by definition that something one receives because they have done something wrong. No sentence stops any criminal from committing a crime. But the idea is if you go ahead and do it, this is what will happen to you.

People will commit crimes. But the problems start when liberal pansies won't punish people for committing crimes, because they need to be "rehabilitated" (trust me, I live in Canada, and lived through the whole Pierre Trudeau rehabilitation idea)

If you, through your own freewill choice, completely disregard the sanctity of human life, then why do you deserve the right to continue living?

It also has nothing to do with the inhumanity of the death penalty. Modern science has come up with a number of ways to end a life humanely. Trust me, the person being executed would never suffer as much as his victims did.

parafly · 12-18-2007, 09:46 AM

[QUOTE=CanadaSteve;2273114]If you, through your own freewill choice, completely disregard the sanctity of human life, then why do you deserve the right to continue living?[/QUOTE]

You consider yourself a man of faith. How do you think Jesus would answer this question?

cr726 · 12-18-2007, 09:53 AM

Is this another sad attempt of trying to be funny? So sad. CBTNY save your girl HD she is having problems.

[QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2272942]Stop talking about your own fantasies on this board please.[/QUOTE]

Come Back to NY · 12-18-2007, 10:23 AM

[QUOTE=Jetspennyfan;2272739]the stem cell studies can save COUNTLESS lives don't even try and create a parellel, because there is none.[/QUOTE]

really??? embryonic stem cells have saved COUNTLESS lives??? do tell.....

PlumberKhan · 12-18-2007, 11:34 AM

[QUOTE=CanadaSteve;2273114]BS

It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the death penalty as a form of deterrence. We are talking about a form of PUNISHMENT. That by definition that something one receives because they have done something wrong. No sentence stops any criminal from committing a crime. But the idea is if you go ahead and do it, this is what will happen to you.

People will commit crimes. But the problems start when liberal pansies won't punish people for committing crimes, because they need to be "rehabilitated" (trust me, I live in Canada, and lived through the whole Pierre Trudeau rehabilitation idea)

If you, through your own freewill choice, completely disregard the sanctity of human life, then why do you deserve the right to continue living?

It also has nothing to do with the inhumanity of the death penalty. Modern science has come up with a number of ways to end a life humanely. Trust me, the person being executed would never suffer as much as his victims did.[/QUOTE]

How about this, CS...

Can you guarantee that an innocent person has NEVER been put to death.
Can you guarantee that there are NO innocent people on death row.

If you cannot guarantee that, then the life of just ONE innocent person outweighs ALL the lives of ALL the guilty people executed.

Now...it has never been proven that an innocent person has been executed. But it is accepted fact that quite a few people were sentenced to die only to have those sentences overturned in light of new evidence (dna, etc.).
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=110[/url]

Being a man of God, as you are, you're in a position to enlighten us on the inherent imperfection of mankind. Man, being imperfect as they are, are subsequently prone to making mistakes.

An imperfect system staffed by nothing but imperfect people are in NO position to make calls of life and death. Only one person(?) is in that position.

Would you not agree?

Please don't misconstrue this as liberal rehabilitation-ism. Trust me, I like to see the guilty fry just like everyone else.

Jetdawgg · 12-18-2007, 12:51 PM

This is a good move by my Jarhead Brother. Totally reducing the costs in NJ and ensuring that there will be no errors.

Most people on Death Row do not get proper representation and that clearly is not fair from the start.

12-17-2007, 10:08 PM	#1
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	Corzine signs law ending death penalty [QUOTE][B]New Jersey governor signs law ending death penalty 10 hours ago[/B] NEW YORK (AFP) — New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine on Monday signed a law approved by lawmakers last week abolishing the death penalty in the northeastern US state. Sunday the Democratic governor commuted the sentences of eight inmates, sentenced to death, to life in prison with no chance for parole. "Today New Jersey evolves. This is a day of progress for us and for the millions of people across our nation and around the globe who reject the death penalty as a moral or practical response to the grievous, even heinous, crime of murder," Corzine said. "I have been moved by the passionate views on both sides of this issue, and I firmly believe that replacing the death penalty with life in prison without parole best captures our State's highest values and reflects our best efforts to search for true justice," he said. John Holdridge, the director of the ACLU's Capital Punishment Project, hailed the news as "a powerful message to the rest of the nation and the world that the death penalty is not only a grossly improper use of government power, but also the ultimate denial of civil liberties." New Jersey became the first US state in four decades to vote to abolish the death penalty on Thursday when the Democratic-controlled state assembly passed the law by a vote of 44 to 36. The state Senate had voted along the same lines the preceding Monday, and Corzine had repeatedly voiced support for the measure and vowed to sign it into law by January. New Jersey was one of the states that reinstalled the death penalty after the US Supreme Court overturned an earlier ban in 1976, but it has observed a freeze on executions since 2005 along with nearly two dozen other states. Iowa and West Virginia were the last states to vote to abolish executions in 1965. Executions are currently legal in 37 states. [/QUOTE] [url]http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2vpxphgyarO-e-Lgu3k25meXwlw[/url] so let's see corzine; your ballot for $400-million plus to use the stem cells of murdered unborn babies goes up in smoke yet you'll let convicted murderers (for the most part) live....makes sense....

12-18-2007, 07:17 AM	#10
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,013	[QUOTE=pauliec;2272637]You know what that means? I can now walk into a mall with an assault rifle, kill as many people that I can in cold blood, absolutely wreak [I]havoc[/I] on the place, maybe kill a few cops too, and at most I'll spend the rest of my life in a cell with three square meals a day.[/QUOTE] The threat of a death penalty would not prevent somebody bent on doing something like this from carrying it out. Thinking that the death penalty actual deters crime is a tad naive... A criminal wouldn't say...I want to shoot up that school and kill lots of little kids! Oh wait....the death penalty. I have changed my evil ways. I will now go volunteer at a soup kitchen. Last edited by PlumberKhan; 12-18-2007 at 07:19 AM.

12-17-2007, 10:10 PM	#2
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	Good. Humans don't have the moral authority to end another's life. When 100% of our convictions are actually guilty, then I'll think about it. Death penalty cases cost more, anyway.

12-17-2007, 10:17 PM	#3
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	You know what that means? I can now walk into a mall with an assault rifle, kill as many people that I can in cold blood, absolutely wreak [I]havoc[/I] on the place, maybe kill a few cops too, and at most I'll spend the rest of my life in a cell with three square meals a day.

12-17-2007, 10:19 PM	#4
JetsFan2012 Waterboy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 0	Ohh, Ohh, or I can go to an elementary school during recess and take out 100 kids. Still, I would spend the rest of my life in a cell with 3 meals a day, and maybe a half hour for sunlight.

12-17-2007, 11:04 PM	#5
adb280z All League Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belleville, NJ Posts: 3,429	The death penalty hasn't been used in NJ in 44 years. I'd stick these guys in a prison like the supermax and let them rot til they die.

12-17-2007, 11:22 PM	#6
Jetspennyfan All League Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,251	[QUOTE=pauliec;2272641]Ohh, Ohh, or I can go to an elementary school during recess and take out 100 kids. Still, I would spend the rest of my life in a cell with 3 meals a day, and maybe a half hour for sunlight.[/QUOTE] Come on Paulie try not to make generalizations, I don't support the death penalty but I know there are good arguements for it, as there are good arguements against it but saying things like this is just stupid.

12-17-2007, 11:23 PM	#7
Jetspennyfan All League Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,251	[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2272615][url]http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i2vpxphgyarO-e-Lgu3k25meXwlw[/url] so let's see corzine; your ballot for $400-million plus to use the stem cells of murdered unborn babies goes up in smoke yet you'll let convicted murderers (for the most part) live....makes sense....[/QUOTE] the stem cell studies can save COUNTLESS lives don't even try and create a parellel, because there is none.

12-17-2007, 11:51 PM	#8
nuu faaola All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,253	[QUOTE=pauliec;2272637]You know what that means? I can now walk into a mall with an assault rifle, kill as many people that I can in cold blood, absolutely wreak [I]havoc[/I] on the place, maybe kill a few cops too, and at most I'll spend the rest of my life in a cell with three square meals a day.[/QUOTE] If you do this as a result of Corzine's move, I'll support the death penalty, too. If you don't do it, it must mean more than the death penalty prevents people from killing others, I guess.

12-18-2007, 12:40 AM	#9
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,296	You are forgetting you will def. become somone's b*tch. You wouldn't last more than a month in prison. [QUOTE=pauliec;2272641]Ohh, Ohh, or I can go to an elementary school during recess and take out 100 kids. Still, I would spend the rest of my life in a cell with 3 meals a day, and maybe a half hour for sunlight.[/QUOTE]

12-18-2007, 07:33 AM	#11
HDCentStOhio longing for the days of Ronald Reagan Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Long Island & Section 337 Posts: 4,859	[QUOTE=cr726;2272850]You are forgetting you will def. become somone's b*tch. You wouldn't last more than a month in prison.[/QUOTE] Stop talking about your own fantasies on this board please.

12-18-2007, 08:21 AM	#12
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	now only if he could sign a bill ending cold blooded murder the guy who killed those kids in newark just got an xmas present from corzine this just in...anyone who is not the governor caught without seat belts buckled gets a stiffer prison term than killas

12-18-2007, 08:23 AM	#13
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[quote=PlumberKhan;2272939]The threat of a death penalty would not prevent somebody bent on doing something like this from carrying it out. Thinking that the death penalty actual deters crime is a tad naive... A criminal wouldn't say...I want to shoot up that school and kill lots of little kids! Oh wait....the death penalty. I have changed my evil ways. I will now go volunteer at a soup kitchen.[/quote] i told you not to meet me at the corner of liberal and libertarian that intersection's in a bad neighborhood

12-18-2007, 09:33 AM	#14
CanadaSteve Liked the draft picks....meat and potatoes. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 6,512	[QUOTE=Jetspennyfan;2272739]the stem cell studies can save COUNTLESS lives don't even try and create a parellel, because there is none.[/QUOTE] Please..... You think it is okay to commit murder in the name of freedom, yet a person can commit the most heinous crimes willfully, using nothing but their own freewill, but we should keep them alive and give them 3 meals a day, and in some cases a university education... God, talk about hypocritical. I wonder how you would spin this if it was your 5 year old daughter who was repeatedly raped, mutilated and her body was dumped off and left for dead, and the guy who did it didn't give a rats ass that he did, and would do it again if he could. Perhaps then you would understand that if someone completely disregards the sanctity of human life, they aren't worth the air they breath. OH WAIT A MINUTE!!!! I forgot....those that condone abortion don't highly regard the sanctity of human life...Why not screw as many people as you want without any consequence when you can use the old vacuum to suck em out... AND WE WONDER WHY OUR KIDS ARE SCREWED UP.....

12-18-2007, 09:38 AM	#15
CanadaSteve Liked the draft picks....meat and potatoes. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 6,512	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2272939]The threat of a death penalty would not prevent somebody bent on doing something like this from carrying it out. Thinking that the death penalty actual deters crime is a tad naive... A criminal wouldn't say...I want to shoot up that school and kill lots of little kids! Oh wait....the death penalty. I have changed my evil ways. I will now go volunteer at a soup kitchen.[/QUOTE] BS It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the death penalty as a form of deterrence. We are talking about a form of PUNISHMENT. That by definition that something one receives because they have done something wrong. No sentence stops any criminal from committing a crime. But the idea is if you go ahead and do it, this is what will happen to you. People will commit crimes. But the problems start when liberal pansies won't punish people for committing crimes, because they need to be "rehabilitated" (trust me, I live in Canada, and lived through the whole Pierre Trudeau rehabilitation idea) If you, through your own freewill choice, completely disregard the sanctity of human life, then why do you deserve the right to continue living? It also has nothing to do with the inhumanity of the death penalty. Modern science has come up with a number of ways to end a life humanely. Trust me, the person being executed would never suffer as much as his victims did.

12-18-2007, 09:46 AM	#16
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,284	[QUOTE=CanadaSteve;2273114]If you, through your own freewill choice, completely disregard the sanctity of human life, then why do you deserve the right to continue living?[/QUOTE] You consider yourself a man of faith. How do you think Jesus would answer this question?

12-18-2007, 09:53 AM	#17
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,296	Is this another sad attempt of trying to be funny? So sad. CBTNY save your girl HD she is having problems. [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2272942]Stop talking about your own fantasies on this board please.[/QUOTE]

12-18-2007, 10:23 AM	#18
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	[QUOTE=Jetspennyfan;2272739]the stem cell studies can save COUNTLESS lives don't even try and create a parellel, because there is none.[/QUOTE] really??? embryonic stem cells have saved COUNTLESS lives??? do tell.....

12-18-2007, 11:34 AM	#19
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,013	[QUOTE=CanadaSteve;2273114]BS It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the death penalty as a form of deterrence. We are talking about a form of PUNISHMENT. That by definition that something one receives because they have done something wrong. No sentence stops any criminal from committing a crime. But the idea is if you go ahead and do it, this is what will happen to you. People will commit crimes. But the problems start when liberal pansies won't punish people for committing crimes, because they need to be "rehabilitated" (trust me, I live in Canada, and lived through the whole Pierre Trudeau rehabilitation idea) If you, through your own freewill choice, completely disregard the sanctity of human life, then why do you deserve the right to continue living? It also has nothing to do with the inhumanity of the death penalty. Modern science has come up with a number of ways to end a life humanely. Trust me, the person being executed would never suffer as much as his victims did.[/QUOTE] How about this, CS... Can you guarantee that an innocent person has NEVER been put to death. Can you guarantee that there are NO innocent people on death row. If you cannot guarantee that, then the life of just ONE innocent person outweighs ALL the lives of ALL the guilty people executed. Now...it has never been proven that an innocent person has been executed. But it is accepted fact that quite a few people were sentenced to die only to have those sentences overturned in light of new evidence (dna, etc.). [url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=110[/url] Being a man of God, as you are, you're in a position to enlighten us on the inherent imperfection of mankind. Man, being imperfect as they are, are subsequently prone to making mistakes. An imperfect system staffed by nothing but imperfect people are in NO position to make calls of life and death. Only one person(?) is in that position. Would you not agree? Please don't misconstrue this as liberal rehabilitation-ism. Trust me, I like to see the guilty fry just like everyone else.

12-18-2007, 12:51 PM	#20
Jetdawgg All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,687	This is a good move by my Jarhead Brother. Totally reducing the costs in NJ and ensuring that there will be no errors. Most people on Death Row do not get proper representation and that clearly is not fair from the start.